The Courier meets a child with a knife (Courier vs Frisk) [1-1-0]

[Undylan]

Curious on how this will go down.

Basically, the human child has reached the judgement hall but instead of a lazy skeleton. The Courier is there to stop them instead.

• Speed is equalized.
• Both are about 10 meters apart.
• Otherwise, SBA
• Genocide Route Frisk is used.

The Courier: 1 (Undylan)

Frisk: 1 (ShiroAH)

Incon: 0

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

THE SOCIAL INFLUENCING BEAM CLASH IS REEEEAAAAAAL

 

[Undylan]

THE SOCIAL INFLUENCING BEAM CLASH IS REEEEAAAAAAL

Indeed.

I am curious if even the Courier could stop the child with time abilities who will stop nothing to reach the absolute just by talking.

 

[Shmooply]

Courier loses, as a Bethesda protagonist he is unable to directly kill a child.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

frisk FRA

 

[Undylan]

Courier loses, as a Bethesda protagonist he is unable to directly kill a child.

I mean, what if he is willing to just fight or kill regardless?

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

that was a joke, you are literally incapable of attacking children in bethesda games

 

[Undylan]

Bump

 

[Stillwinston]

So idk much about Frisk, Courier can talk down folks who are bloodlusted though will that help at all?

 

[Jackythejack]

Frisk does similar to be fair, if Asgore and Undyne are anything to go off of.

 

[Stillwinston]

Well this post contains some of the more crazier feats Courier did with his SI if that helps

https://vsbattles.com/threads/a-courier-heads-to-dunwall.115563/#post-3879988

 

[Jackythejack]

I think the supernatural willpower could counteract attempts at peace talks, personally, but idk.

 

[Stillwinston]

Don't suppose Courier's bullshit luck could help in this either? Courier can clean out entire casinos with legit gambling and get past a password protected door just by yelling ice cream, plus let him survive a shot in the head and being buried alive.

 

[Jackythejack]

Not for talking them down, I wouldn't imagine.

I think luck only goes so far when a child determined to kill you has infinite chances, essentially.

 

[Undylan]

The Courier could potentially lie and convince them that he does understand them and such. I personally think SI is a wincon.

They could figure out their resets in their talks and convince them to reset and find a better way for their determination.

 

[Stillwinston]

Courier has lied and bluffed his way outta stuff in the past, that stuff with the scientists and that guy who the Courier realises might be his long lost son iirc

 

[Jackythejack]

They could figure out their resets in their talks and convince them to reset and find a better way for their determination.

I don't see why Frisk would be willing to talk like this to...anyone, really. Frisk isn't really a talkative person and I don't think even they understand their own resets. Also, it's not like Frisk will be deterred from genocide in this case. That's like, their whole deal.

The final battle of the genocide run, Sans, is literally someone trying their ******* hardest to discourage Frisk from genocide, both with violence and with trying to just have a conversation and talking them out of it, before ultimately abusing the rules of turn based combat to try and keep Frisk stuck there.

And Frisk still killed him.

 

[Undylan]

Bump

 

[Undylan]

Bump

 

[ShionAH]

Is frisk genocide?

 

[Shmooply]

• Genocide Route Frisk is used.

 

[ShionAH]

Frisk cannot be reasoned with unless they have a past with the opponent (Sans) so yeah voting frisk

 

[Undylan]

Frisk cannot be reasoned with unless they have a past with the opponent (Sans) so yeah voting frisk

The courier had talked down more insane bloodthirsty people to give up. Even someone who hated him for blowing up his home even joined him due to his SI.

 

[ShionAH]

The courier had talked down more insane bloodthirsty people to give up. Even someone who hated him for blowing up his home even joined him due to his SI.

Frisk is more bloodlusted lol. They literally see a child as free experience literally does not give a duck about what you say. The only person who actually talked frisk was sans who used the past and the friendship to do so. Still voting frisk

 

[Undylan]

Frisk is more bloodlusted lol. They literally see a child as free experience literally does not give a duck about what you say. The only person who actually talked frisk was sans who used the past and the friendship to do so. Still voting frisk

Sans will say stuff like that regredless if you just do the genocide run first when you download Undertale.

 

[ShionAH]

Sans will say stuff like that regredless if you just do the genocide run first when you download Undertale.

Sans knows about the resets so he just predicts you already did the pacifist route. Theres also the possibility of frisk not accepting the spare so it is even harder

 

[Undylan]

Courier normally talked down people who doesn't listen to him and the moment they hear him out. They be sucked into talking and be convcied. Even convicing an war general to go against his own beliefs to give up on a war he's fighting.

At worst, he can just make Frisk flee via Terrifying Presence.

 

[ShionAH]

At worst, he can just make Frisk flee via Terrifying Presence.

Frisk has her own Passive Fear manip

 

[Undylan]

Frisk has her own Passive Fear manip

For some reason, I don't see it on Frisk's profile nor they have any resistence to Courier's fear manip.

 

[ShionAH]

For some reason, I don't see it on Frisk's profile nor they have any resistence to Courier's fear manip.

I should get that added then- This battle should be on hold then, after I make the CRT it can continue?

 

[Undylan]

I should get that added then- This battle should be on hold then, after I make the CRT it can continue?

Simple enough sure.

 

[koopa3144]

Frisk has her own Passive Fear manip

Iirc the only thing fear manip did was make Lesser Dog uneasy so it probably wont do much.

 

[ShionAH]

Iirc the only thing fear manip did was make Lesser Dog uneasy so it probably wont do much.

Frisk also made people fear for their lives escaping and putting notes of them begging frisk to not hurt them or their family then it also made Lesser dog who is blind become uneasy and feel scared, it also made flowey literally shake in fear (a basically emotionless being)

 

[koopa3144]

Frisk also made people fear for their lives escaping and putting notes of them begging frisk to not hurt them or their family then it also made Lesser dog who is blind become uneasy and feel scared

I would say the first example you gave is isn't really fear manip. "It should be noted simply terrorizing the opponent either by authority, strength or demeanour only would qualify as Social Influencing, as Fear Manipulation would allow the user to inflict fear regardless of these factors." Also, Lesser dog isnt the blind one, thats Doggo.

 

[ShionAH]

I would say the first example you gave is isn't really fear manip. "It should be noted simply terrorizing the opponent either by authority, strength or demeanour only would qualify as Social Influencing, as Fear Manipulation would allow the user to inflict fear regardless of these factors."

Yeah it isnt but its a factor if corier tries to learn more about frisk

Also, Lesser dog isnt the blind one, thats Doggo.

Oh yeah well Frisk still made doggo and flowey (a soulles being) scared passively also monster kid but he is a kid so.

 

[ShionAH]

Well I looked at the history and stuff and learned the fear manip was gone with the genocide route key being removed- Chara who influences frisk in genocide key has this

• Fear Manipulation (Chara's Influence has been shown to make victim's unnaturally scared, an example being Doggo who couldn't even see them or know if there was even someone there, Chara also did the same to Flowey even though flowey considers himself emotionless)[6]

 

[Undylan]

Well I looked at the history and stuff and learned the fear manip was gone with the genocide route key being removed- Chara who influences frisk in genocide key has this

• Fear Manipulation (Chara's Influence has been shown to make victim's unnaturally scared, an example being Doggo who couldn't even see them or know if there was even someone there, Chara also did the same to Flowey even though flowey considers himself emotionless)[6]

It must be removed since it was just Frisk doing these deeds.

Regredless, if you want it back. I'll wait for a CRT.

 

[ShionAH]

It must be removed since it was just Frisk doing these deeds.

It makes more sense chara was the one doing it since she influences frisk a lot.

Regredless, if you want it back. I'll wait for a CRT.

I cannot get it added on to frisk because they dont even have a genocide key anymore-

 

[Undylan]

It makes more sense chara was the one doing it since she influences frisk a lot.

I cannot get it added on to frisk because they dont even have a genocide key anymore-

If it cannot be added. Then Frisk will just flee then.

I vote for Courier.

 

[ShionAH]

If it cannot be added. Then Frisk will just flee then.

I vote for Courier.

Theres no key for genocide frisk Courier is not fighting anything rn