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The Boys discussion thread

All I'm gonna say is that having (good) themes doesn't mean it's good. The story actually has to be written and executed well to deliver those themes.
All I can imagine in this discourse is Butcher saying "Yeah UE there's no other way. Themes and such."

The final season staying true to its general political commentary to an extent is certainly a good thing but it doesn't make the rest not to be ass.
Who is truly commendable this season is not the bald fraud showrunner but the actors. From their socials they know it's bad but they still did the work, delivered their 100% in acting and made everything work as much as they can. The others who worked in VFX, SFX, practical effects, stunts, etc. Praising them is not mutually exclusive to the writing and directing being down The Deep.

Since this is a powerscaling forum though, it's fine for people to be disappointed about Homelander not having any particularly impressive showings this season. Practically nobody did.

Whatever their budget for this was probably given as bonuses to Amazon bigwigs. It's what Clara would've wanted.
 
Actually in retrospect MM might have a solid supersonic combat feat in being able to gag Oh father before his sound waves left his mouth.
 
Metalballrun said:
All I'm gonna say is that having (good) themes doesn't mean it's good. The story actually has to be written and executed well to deliver those themes.
All I can imagine in this discourse is Butcher saying "Yeah UE there's no other way. Themes and such."

The final season staying true to its general political commentary to an extent is certainly a good thing but it doesn't make the rest not to be ass.
Who is truly commendable this season is not the bald fraud showrunner but the actors. From their socials they know it's bad but they still did the work, delivered their 100% in acting and made everything work as much as they can. The others who worked in VFX, SFX, practical effects, stunts, etc. Praising them is not mutually exclusive to the writing and directing being down The Deep.

Since this is a powerscaling forum though, it's fine for people to be disappointed about Homelander not having any particularly impressive showings this season. Practically nobody did.

Whatever their budget for this was probably given as bonuses to Amazon bigwigs. It's what Clara would've wanted.
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I think you summed it up perfectly. I think the final season failed at its primary goal of storytelling. Whether you agree with the themes or not, the writers showed they could tell the narrative while tying the same theme in past seasons. It’s a tv show not a sermon.

Also, doesn’t help that the show relies on shock & grossness as a crutch, like weird stuff that clearly isn’t just meant to criticize anything (like Terror’s dream plots or zillions of literal asshole jokes). If the season stuck the landing much less people would be complaining about whatever politics Kripke had.
 
Metalballrun said:
Since this is a powerscaling forum though, it's fine for people to be disappointed about Homelander not having any particularly impressive showings this season. Practically nobody did.
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I think even people that don't really care about or acknowledge powerscaling were surprised how dogshi it was this season. I particularly don't care so much of insane feats, but the scaling was washed in so many ways.
 
Omegas03 said:
I think even people that don't really care about or acknowledge powerscaling were surprised how dogshi it was this season. I particularly don't care so much of insane feats, but the scaling was washed in so many ways.
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After the first four episodes I knew it wasn’t possible to finish off strong with whatever was left. The end product was pretty lukewarm. Probably spent more money distributing it into theaters and making the posters of Homelander in space, than they did on any episode lol
 
this just came across my mind but Homelander had a lot of compound V stored up in the Seven tower iirc

Outside of the fact it couldn't happen because of plot and such, would it have been extremely out of character for Homelander to bring a couple of syringes himself in the case he got depowered? I mean, he was scared shitless of the fact that he could have been depowered as much as he didn't want to show it. Episode 7 and afterwards it was quite the central point of the plot

Just a flying throught🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Omegas03 said:
this just came across my mind but Homelander had a lot of compound V stored up in the Seven tower iirc

Outside of the fact it couldn't happen because of plot and such, would it have been extremely out of character for Homelander to bring a couple of syringes himself in the case he got depowered? I mean, he was scared shitless of the fact that he could have been depowered as much as he didn't want to show it. Episode 7 and afterwards it was quite the central point of the plot

Just a flying throught🤷🏻‍♂️
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You're asking an intelligent character to be intelligent. That doesn't happen in Ze Boys
 
Legion350 said:
After the first four episodes I knew it wasn’t possible to finish off strong with whatever was left. The end product was pretty lukewarm. Probably spent more money distributing it into theaters and making the posters of Homelander in space, than they did on any episode lol
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they used the budget on advertising, the cameos and the not even subtle vought rising publicity.

I'll be honest. I was coping that it was going to get strong from episodes 6 and afterwards. Then in episode 7 nothing ever happens and shi I lost all hope for the finale

I'll be completely honest I would have preferred the leaked version of the finale but eh. At least we got strong moments like HL and Butcher deaths.
 
On the final fight, I like the fact that it was just a 3v1 in a relatively contained environment. It gave the fight a personal/intimate quality. However, you definitely can make a fight like this more spectacular, and the battle between Noir and Homelander in the comics is a good example of that.
Metalballrun said:
Since this is a powerscaling forum though, it's fine for people to be disappointed about Homelander not having any particularly impressive showings this season. Practically nobody did.
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Obviously this is completely anecdotal, but even my family (who probably couldn't give a damn about powerscaling) couldn't help but notice the lack of destruction and bad powerscaling.

General audiences will notice when something is kind of unspectacular and doesn't quite make sense, which is why the S3 finale received some of the same criticism (but less).
 
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One of the biggest jokes I have heard is that the boys stayed on it's themes from season 1. No it ******* didn't. That implies they had focus.

Season 1 criticised both sides of US politics and Homelander was his own character not a Trump stand in. And the true villain was supposed to be Vought, Homelander just being one of their pawns.

But come to the ending and Vought is irrelevant and Homelander is dumbed down. (Yes he was still Pathetic in season 1, pathetic doesn't mean stupid. He was very cunning in S1) to be a Trump parody.

The premise was about the Boys finding creative ways to kill supes, with Homelander being this invulnerable being to all mortal weapons. That uphill battle is what made the first two seasons enjoyable.

But in the finale of the S2, that's thrown right of the window where the humans of the boys are made irrelevant with Stormfront being taken out by other Supes and finished by Ryan.

This is exactly where the show throws away the premise of "Common joes vs Super beings."

Themes and such don't justify bad writing. Not at the expense of the characters. This is not South park. If you solely like the boys because it reaffirms your political views, you never liked the Boys, you just liked your own political views.
 
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Simply the teasers and the build up of the story promised as death and destruction courtesy of Homelander and it didn't happen. Many of the ideas in the fourth and fifth season probably could've been implemented way early in the story so Kripke doesn't have the excuse of saying that Season 5 needed more downtime and set up (it's the finale after all).

It's obvious looking back that a lot of stuff about The Boys weren't planned yet and they just adjusted when the series get renewed. The backstory of The Boys as a group were clunky and was made in reference to the comics despite it not working without the setup and premise of the comics.
 
Also, at the moment, The Boys discourse is very tumultous and difficult to navigate on the account of both true fans and white-robed pointy hat posers who unironically like Homelander and what he represents are both simultaneously criticizing the season finale for fundamentally different reasons.

In this forum we can at least assume the stance of objectivity on the lens of powerscaling.
 
57Dev said:
One of the biggest jokes I have heard is that the boys stayed on it's themes from season 1. No it ******* didn't. That implies they had focus.

Season 1 criticised both sides of US politics and Homelander was his own character not a Trump stand in. And the true villain was supposed to be Vought, Homelander just being one of their pawns.

But come to the ending and Vought is irrelevant and Homelander is dumbed down. (Yes he was still Pathetic in season 1, pathetic doesn't mean stupid. He was very cunning in S1) to be a Trump parody.

The premise was about the Boys finding creative ways to kill supes, with Homelander being this invulnerable being to all mortal weapons. That uphill battle is what made the first two seasons enjoyable.

But in the finale of the S2, that's thrown right of the window where the humans of the boys are made irrelevant with Stormfront being taken out by other Supes and finished by Ryan.

This is exactly where the show throws away the premise of "Common joes vs Super beings."

Themes and such don't justify bad writing. Not at the expense of the characters. This is not South park. If you solely like the boys because it reaffirms your political views, you never liked the Boys, you just liked your own political views.
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That’s actually so true. Season 3 is also somewhat where things started being a bit less scary. Likely due to that

Seasons 1 and 2 were just so terrifying
 
Just_Butchering said:
She still got hits in and took hits from him. Soldier Boy in S3 pretty much one tapped her and Starlight. The fact that Butcher struggled somewhat means he is not as strong


And Butcher suddenly matching Homelander wouldn't be PIS?
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She caught butcher off guard and slammed him on the wall,thats all.Other than that Butcher had no difficulty in grabbing and repeatedly slam her on the wall,He basically no diffed her at that point.So I dont think this constitutes an anti feat,this just puts him right below SB since he wouldve had even less difficulty handling her.

Other than that the only anti feat is Bombsight which can be reduced to PIS.
 
Could Synapse be argued to be able to beat Homelander? Synapse was only killed because Hughie happened to remember traumatic images related to him long enough to distract him. But Synapse was powerful enough to stop Butcher from using his powers, and implied he was gonna kill him. Like low key, that guy was super powerful
 
I think that as an Odessa project and direct upgrade of Soldier Boy, Homelander has natural resistance to mind manip.
 
57Dev said:
Synapse could realistically beat anyone without resistance to mental attacks since he can suppress powers. Wait did we just get The Boys verse's Aizawa ?
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Fr. His only weakness is obviously the one that was exposed. Even then though, that requires two people. One to distract, one to kill. So in a 1 v 1, he’s pretty much untouchable still. And obviously robots who don’t have minds to mess with, but none of those are present in the boys really. And he can’t read the minds of those who are intoxicated as easily apparently. But I’m sure he still can, just with more focus. So still unbeatable in 1 v 1. I will say, he could probably be speed blitzed. So if you kill hin before he mind attacks you, you could win

But yeah, he’s still one of the most powerful characters easily. Heck, even Godolkin seemed to struggle to mind control stronger beings. He’d debatably lose to Homelander. Cate, Mindstorm, and Rufus all needed to either look you in the eyes or touch (obviously we all know which is which). Synapse seemed to have the least limits to his power in the context of a 1 v 1 battle
 
ShionAH said:
Its stated in Gen V you have to be specifically really powerful to control Homelander, he would probably laugh and one shot Synapse
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Except Synapse doesn't control, he supresses powers. He was able to do it Butcher who somewhat scales to Homelander. And he did it effortlessly.

Godolkin seems to be the exception where he has limits on his mental attacks. Besides Synapse there are three more.

Cate, Mindstorm and Quinn. They can affect everyone regardless of the power diffrence.

So ironically Godolkin has the strongest mental based powers when it comes to control, ease of use and range but the worst drawback of being limited by the power of the enemy.
 
57Dev said:
he supresses powers
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Which he does with mind abilities. Which Homelander resists. And he had to fully focus to control Butcher who is way weaker than Homelander, the moment he lost the focus he died
 
ShionAH said:
Which he does with mind abilities. Which Homelander resists. And he had to fully focus to control Butcher who is way weaker than Homelander, the moment he lost the focus he died
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Homelander has zero mental resistance feats or showings. Also you are making it sound like Synapse lost focus for a second and got blitzed. That's not what happened. Just to put in perspective, he was actively neutralizing Butcher while not even being in the room, talking about a story, mimicking Hughie to Annie over the comms. Only when Hughie brings up a traumatic personally memory is when Butcher gets freed.

You are grossly downplaying just how effortlessly Synapse was actually doing it. And way weaker ? I am sorry did we watch the same show ?

 


Like the power difference is clear, the dumb part was how he couldn't fly away throughout the fight or escape their grasp at the end.
 
Also on a side-note, let's not forget Amazon is very aware of powerscaling and the community in general from their collaboration with Death Battle for the Seven battle royale (minus Homelander and Noir but plus Butcher and laser baby) to referencing the Omni-Man Vs Homelander death battle several times on socials.

So it's pretty on point and fair to criticise an Amazon TV series for it's consistently, inconsistent powerscaling and those who say otherwise are simply in denial. One of my oldest mates, straight up mentioned "powerscaling" to me for the first time since I've known them, after they recently watched both Invincible and The Boys lol!
 
ShionAH said:


Butcher lands 4 hits, Homelander is basically unphased. He punches back and Butchers ass is on the floor :ROFLMAO:
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That's still not "way weaker". It's only a bit weaker. They are relative. It is the definition of relative.

Except Synapse doesn't control, he supresses powers. He was able to do it Butcher who somewhat scales to Homelander. And he did it effortlessly. Godolkin seems to be the exception where he has limits on his mental attacks. Besides Synapse there are three more.

Cate, Mindstorm and Quinn. They can affect everyone regardless of the power diffrence.

So ironically Godolkin has the strongest mental based powers when it comes to control, ease of use and range but the worst drawback of being limited by the power of the enemy.
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The other absolutely do not share the weakness Godolkin has. Only his power has that drawback. It is idiotic to nerf 3 pyschics with the weakness on one when the others clearly don't have such weaknesses.
 
FuriousFieryFist said:
I made a calculation for Homelanders laser speed, but with how speed scaling in the show is going I don't know if it'll actually matter at all.
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Its actually pretty solid and consistent with the story(UNBELIEVABLE, CONSISTENT POWERSCALING IN THE BOYS!?!?!).
Nobody can react to HLs laser after theyre shot from his eyes.
And theyre subsonic+ at the bare minimum since he attacked blitzed that Vought Snitch beyond perception.
 
Also Homelander has resistance to Mental possession. Which is something Synapse doesn't even do.
 
ShionAH said:


Like the power difference is clear, the dumb part was how he couldn't fly away throughout the fight or escape their grasp at the end.
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What I've been saying,Butcher can clearly keep up with him in combat kinda,so its not crazy to call them relative in that.They still have a huge AP difference.Only notable attack that Butcher did was slamming him into the desk(Metal af).

Which kinda proves how flight speed≠combat speed in the boys.
 
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