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How is that Subsonic+?
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The Boys discussion thread
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How is that Subsonic+?
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Calc stacking means nothing at this point, no one remembers what it means
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Where will we scale Shockwave’s speed? He has transonic stated speed, but is supposed to be comparable to A-Train. What about Mister Marathon?
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And?
His feats sucked lmao, but I guess he should be at least subsonic.
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So I checked out the new calculation and I think I noticed a few issues with it. No disrespect to Dale of course but If we want the most accurate results I think we need to address these first.
1. The image used to calculate the distance overinflates it: This image that Dale ang-sized is actually measuring the distance from Madeline to the POV which includes Butcher in it, meaning Butcher is not 1.29 meters from her. This is an easy fix though, just find Butchers head size and ang-size it as well to find its distance from the POV and subtract it from 1.29 meters.
2. The explosion speed and time it took to reach Butcher is wrong: The explosion speed used was ripped straight from the previous calculation, which used a blast parameter calculator to calculate the velocity. Problem is that the previous calculation had a much smaller distance that was imputed into the calculator, which results in a higher and inaccurate explosion velocity when accounting for the new distance. Both calculations also treat the calculated speed as constant all the way from Stillwell to Butcher, which is incorrect as blast waves rapidly decelerate the farther they get away from the epicenter of the explosion. This is a super easy fix however, as the time it takes for the blast to reach a certain distance is already listed in the calculator. For instance, using the distance from Dale's new calculation results in a time of arrival of 190 microseconds, which is quite an upgrade from the previous calculated value.
3. None of this even matters (Possibly; It's up to the supporters): Despite all the other issues, there is one glaring one that I haven't seen brought up yet at all. The way the explosion scene is framed, we don't actually see Homelander at all. This is an issue because without that, we cannot say for certain that he started flying towards Butcher the moment the bomb went off as opposed to before he was even able to fully press the button. Homelander has superhuman reactions and it is equally valid to assume that he noticed Butcher pressing the button and began flying towards him before the explosion even happened. We do see the explosions light hit Butchers face before Homelander reaches him, so its clear he rescued him after it exploded, but the issue is we don't know how far he was from him at that time. It's possible he was just barely out of frame just about to grab Butcher when the scene cuts. With that in mind, the only distance we can for certain say Homelander traveled in order to save Butcher after the explosion would be the ang-sized distance found in this shot, right when the explosion starts. This severely nerfs the distance Homelander travels and probably downgrades the feat a lot, which is why I'm bringing it up for discussion. There are a few arguments against this interpretation in my opinion, which is why I'm gonna leave it up to supporters whether or not it should be used.
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The part about us not actually seeing him is a good idea. He could easily already have started going towards Butcher when the explosion went off
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We could just have Shockwave at Transonic. But I feel Mister Marathon could go there too arguably. I mean, he believed he could’ve beaten A-Train in a second race
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I can make adjustments when im back home from travelling next week
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I think shockwave was 350ish m/s
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supersonic could control sounds by clapping his hands, so ig we are always in the Transonic regions of attack speed
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haven't followed the thread really well, why is homelander reaction speed being downgraded to subsonic, is the bomb vest feat not good?
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Perception blitzing a regular human is subsonic+ because its movement faster than the human eye.But perception blitzing in general requires a 2x-3x of the person's speed who got blitzed.
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Loads of anti feats.
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His attacks might be at the SoS but youd have to prove that he has similar reactions.
If i shoot a gun i have transonic-supersonic attack speed but I still have basic human reaction/combat speed.
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What i meant was that was the overall range of these feats, i didn't mean for reaction speed.
I think that Subsonic/transonic fits him better honestly.
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I guess someone needs to do the Mr.marathon feats and that one feat from the boys diabolical where he blitzed 3 people
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As I said, the reaction speed only provides a single short movement, meaning Homelander can dodge one or two attacks; beyond that, he needs combat speed to keep this up, and he lacks that. And when you look at Homelander’s fight scenes, he manages to dodge or block a few attacks.
So, in my opinion, Homelander’s combat speed should remain subsonic, but his reaction speed should scale to his flight speed.
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Maybe. I remember hearing Homelander refused to grant him another opportunity to race against A-Train (who he has no loyalty to and he’d happily discard) so I doubt Mister Marathon is currently that close to that level. In fact, when A-Train was being replaced, the position was offered to Shockwave first implying he’s relatively inferior as a speedster.
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The fact is that Atrain has C/R speed comparable to his running speed,as we can see from his fights and the time in a bottle scene.
While Mr.M definitely doesn't,as he wasn't able to avoid killing all those actors that SB put in front of him,plus the fact that SB was able to react to his punches but not his pure speed.
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atleast jjk wont be alone in subsonic hell i guess
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it probably will be. At least the depowered part if everything i've heard is true. How they defeat might be the stupidest ******* idea ever but I guess we'll find out.
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it's either that or they just jump him
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As someone else already pointed out normal humans could still track him with their eyes.
I think the feat has to be called into question anyways as to whether Homelander actually saved Butcher after the bomb exploded. There's nothing to suggest he blitzed it and given his later combat feats and showings in the series it's very unlikely that he did. See Butcher telegraphed his move and there were a few tenths of a second between Butcher fully releasing the trigger and the bomb exploding. This isn't even factoring in that the bomb took a second to explode after the trigger was fully released. Homelander could have just flung Stillwell out of the building, far away enough that Butcher could survive the blast.
Have u seen the promo?
We might genuinely have to give MM and stuff superhuman scaling after next episode
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He fighting with a supe that scales to kimiko, a supe mind u that can rip people's faces off. Unless it's written extremely well, which it obviously won't be lol. He will have to get superhuman scaling. And this is likely since he takes hits from Kimiko in fort harmony this season as well. He should have died but the writing is really good so obviously he didn't lmao.
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it could happen that mm is capable of dodging hits or so but at the end he gets overpowered,
I trust the show writers to not **** shit up too much.
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unrelatred
was scrolling down the boys sub and i found this
He should have been
WAAAYYY earlier if it was ever supposed to happen
was scrolling down the boys sub and i found this
He should have been
WAAAYYY earlier if it was ever supposed to happen
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Update: Soldier boy actually didn't perception blitz Kimiko just a regular blitz beyond reaction,so around 2x her combat speed.So nothing great,that feat doesn't even put him at subsonic.
I forgot this whole verse is fodder.
I forgot this whole verse is fodder.
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I addressed that in my third point. I'm leaving it up to supporters whether to use that interpretation or not. However, I will bring up a point against the lowest end interpretation. In every scene where Homelander begins flying we are give audible cues that indicate he has begun to fly. To my knowledge ever instance of his flight takeoffs have these audible cues. This matters because in the bomb scene we never hear those cues occur which could indicate he indeed did not start flying until a bit after the explosion had already occurred. Again its not foolproof but it is evidence against the lowest end interpretation.
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They can't have him get his powers the classic way because Homelander is already the milk guy.
Maybe him and Frenchie are gonna get V idk.
Maybe him and Frenchie are gonna get V idk.
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I mean minor fights include minor supes.
If everyone is gonna fight were gonna see fights on almost equal levels.
Unless you want to see Homelander lasering frenchie in half,for no ******* reason.
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The toilet water he was drinking in the camps had V in it.
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Well the seven killed each other so we can't have that.
But holy shit does Homelander not have any better Supes under his command. Sheline can't even beat Kimiko and Dogknot got no diffed by Starlight.
You would think as the Leader of Vought, he can afford to send some actual heavy reinforcements.
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Rest in peace Frenchie
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