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The Boys discussion thread

Phoenks said:
feel like this should probably count as freezing a bullet, anyway


EDIT: actually apparently muzzle flash is even faster than the bullet itself?
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The flash u see at the beginning oft he vid u sent which comes out of the barrel ahead of the bullet isn't the muzzle flash but the muzzle glow.
  • The muzzle glow is a reddish glow that is visible before the bullet exits the barrel. The glow is created by superheated gases that have leaked past the projectile and have left the barrel ahead of it.
 
MHA vigilantes had a similar feat with a character moving at normal speed when the muzzle flash is frozen. So you could check that calc. Although it's far higher since it lasts for longer and the characters also fired some shots but once the bullets leave the barrel, they freeze mid air.

Although yeah A Train feat is a outlier by far. Especially since the show itself then gives us that chase scene.
 
One funny thing is the Deep. He came to France on a Hammerhead shark.

We know he was in Vought tower before this scene, and we also know we didn't jump time because of the 36 hour time limit.

Now getting to France on any ocean life form is taking days. So you know, major writing **** up.

Or...the Peak has time control and is just acting scared of Homelander. Everyone will die and the Peak will tell Hughie, "Keep dreaming on Hughie" and wipe himself out of the timeline, resetting the timeline where Hughie wakes up to find Robin with him.

Then he meets Butcher in a super market who asks Hughie, "Thank you, The Boys." Hughie asks, "The Boys?", Butcher replies "Yeah because we are a group..of The Boys."

THE END.
 
57Dev said:
One funny thing is the Deep. He came to France on a Hammerhead shark.

We know he was in Vought tower before this scene, and we also know we didn't jump time because of the 36 hour time limit.

Now getting to France on any ocean life form is taking days. So you know, major writing **** up.

Or...the Peak has time control and is just acting scared of Homelander. Everyone will die and the Peak will tell Hughie, "Keep dreaming on Hughie" and wipe himself out of the timeline, resetting the timeline where Hughie wakes up to find Robin with him.

Then he meets Butcher in a super market who asks Hughie, "Thank you, The Boys." Hughie asks, "The Boys?", Butcher replies "Yeah because we are a group..of The Boys."

THE END.
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Chainsaw Man slander? I LOVE IT
 
57Dev said:
One funny thing is the Deep. He came to France on a Hammerhead shark.

We know he was in Vought tower before this scene, and we also know we didn't jump time because of the 36 hour time limit.

Now getting to France on any ocean life form is taking days. So you know, major writing **** up.

Or...the Peak has:
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a supersonic Shark(?
 
Since we have seen normal things pierce Homelander's weak spots like his eardrums, I wonder if Bullseye can kill him by lodging things into his eye, ears and nose. Like pierce the brain through the thinner membranes. We know he is strong enough to throw a fork through armor. And obviously accurate enough to pull such tricky shots.
 
57Dev said:
Since we have seen normal things pierce Homelander's weak spots like his eardrums, I wonder if Bullseye can kill him by lodging things into his eye, ears and nose. Like pierce the brain through the thinner membranes. We know he is strong enough to throw a fork through armor. And obviously accurate enough to pull such tricky shots.
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I would say no. Homelander’s eardrum was pierced by someone powerful enough to damage his skin. Apart from that, as Homelander is a more advanced version of Soldier Boy, his internal organs must be just as durabil.
 
57Dev said:
Since we have seen normal things pierce Homelander's weak spots like his eardrums, I wonder if Bullseye can kill him by lodging things into his eye, ears and nose. Like pierce the brain through the thinner membranes. We know he is strong enough to throw a fork through armor. And obviously accurate enough to pull such tricky shots.
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I think Soldier Boy who is relative to homelander had his eye pierced by a normal human with a scalpel. At least I think it pierces his eyes.
 
about A-Train turning Homelander into a statue. couldn't that be due to Homelander being casual? Like, he wasn't really fighting seriously against the personnel. Because, if we only applied the speed to his flight speed, Homelander would still react, right? Because, like, he's flying while reacting to things. Dodging obstacles and constantly having to see/react to A-Train's movements. If Homelander's reaction speed were less than his flight speed, he wouldn't be able to dodge things while flying.

I don't know if you guys have already discussed this, and I don't want to read 3 pages.
 
Phirse said:
I think Soldier Boy who is relative to homelander had his eye pierced by a normal human with a scalpel. At least I think it pierces his eyes.
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I don't think it did. The thing with bulletproof/invulnerable supes on The Boys is that they still feel the pain (Soldier Boy screaming while a saw failed and broke against his body, or him and Homelander screaming from fire/heat even though they weren't hurt)
 
Phsccarvalho said:
about A-Train turning Homelander into a statue. couldn't that be due to Homelander being casual? Like, he wasn't really fighting seriously against the personnel. Because, if we only applied the speed to his flight speed, Homelander would still react, right? Because, like, he's flying while reacting to things. Dodging obstacles and constantly having to see/react to A-Train's movements. If Homelander's reaction speed were less than his flight speed, he wouldn't be able to dodge things while flying.

I don't know if you guys have already discussed this, and I don't want to read 3 pages.
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His fight with Soldier Boy has: A) SB getting blitzed by HL's flight and B) normal people (MM) and slower supes (Starlight) moving normally while they fight
 
Just_Butchering said:
I don't think it did. The thing with bulletproof/invulnerable supes on The Boys is that they still feel the pain (Soldier Boy screaming while a saw failed and broke against his body, or him and Homelander screaming from fire/heat even though they weren't hurt)
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I think it did as u can see the tip of the scalpel get loged in.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
about A-Train turning Homelander into a statue. couldn't that be due to Homelander being casual? Like, he wasn't really fighting seriously against the personnel. Because, if we only applied the speed to his flight speed, Homelander would still react, right? Because, like, he's flying while reacting to things. Dodging obstacles and constantly having to see/react to A-Train's movements. If Homelander's reaction speed were less than his flight speed, he wouldn't be able to dodge things while flying.

I don't know if you guys have already discussed this, and I don't want to read 3 pages.
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When Homelander was flying/chasing A train, A train was moving at a slower speed.
 
Am I the only one who thinks that the A Train-Homelander chase scene is an upgrade to A Train rather than a downgrade?

Homie literally has a Hyper+ accepted calc. He has outsped planes and jets. He also has a casual flight speed of Mach 1.5.

We didn't get much info about what A Train did in the time between S4 and S5 but as we learned in Gen V S2, supes can improve their powers with time. That could be how he could keep up with Homie in that scene.

Though I still don't agree with calcing A Train's moving in frozen time feat as it's too much of an upgrade imo.
 
Phoenks said:
This is such a lame attitude to have imo... who cares if it is an outlier? It is the best feat in the entire show, and I like seeing big numbers!
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The virgin DCEU speedster
At least Relativistic+ (Able to move faster than the speed of light, but restricts himself not to do so. Perceived the Justice League except Superman as nearly frozen in combat), at least FTL at top speed (Stated to travel way faster than the speed of light when reversing time to save the Justice League)
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The Chad A-Train
Sub-Relativistic for five relative seconds, Hypersonic after five relative seconds due to poor stamina
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Phsccarvalho said:
He's running to save his own life, so why would he be going slower?
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There are multiple infos to suggest he was going slower. For instance he is shown to be multiple times faster than Homelander's hv. Blatantly outrunning it. Yet in the chase, the HV is shown to be multiple times faster than him and capable of tagging him. With the only reason it doesn't being due to Homelander's bad aim.

We also blatantly see that he had way more control over his momentum when he was ripping off Quicksilver; still moving at top speed even when he's standing still and interacting with people. Then during his escape from Homelander, he's suddenly unable to react to a civilian in the street without tripping over his feet and sending himself flying through trees

Lets not forget that the civilian can do multiple actions before A train and Homelander catches up to her. And she was only a km away at best. If they were really moving at massively hypersonic speeds during that time, this should not have been the case.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
He's running to save his own life, so why would he be going slower?
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It's possible this decrease in speed was a combination of tiredness combined with the fact homelanders hv tagged his shoulder. I would be hesitant to call this an outlier because he does this to starlight in s1.
 
Phirse said:
There are multiple infos to suggest he was going slower. For instance he is shown to be multiple times faster than Homelander's hv. Blatantly outrunning it. Yet in the chase, the HV is shown to be multiple times faster than him and capable of tagging him. With the only reason it doesn't being due to Homelander's bad aim.

We also blatantly see that he had way more control over his momentum when he was ripping off Quicksilver; still moving at top speed even when he's standing still and interacting with people. Then during his escape from Homelander, he's suddenly unable to react to a civilian in the street without tripping over his feet and sending himself flying through trees

Lets not forget that the civilian can do multiple actions before A train and Homelander catches up to her. And she was only a km away at best. If they were really moving at massively hypersonic speeds during that time, this should not have been the case.
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But why would the HV have a fixed speed? Since he’s just hanging out, couldn’t the HV be slower? We’ve already seen that Homelander can adjust the intensity of the HV—for example, to spray a baby bottle. If the intensity can change, why not the speed? Especially when he’s just hanging out?

I mean, that just means that when he was playing Quicksilver, he was moving at a low speed for himself—low enough for him to control his own movements. And when he’s running from Homelander, that means he’s moving fast enough that he doesn’t have full control over his own movements. Like, in real life, if I’m walking, I can control my body more easily (like changing direction or dodging things) than if I were running as fast as I could.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
But why would the HV have a fixed speed? Since he’s just hanging out, couldn’t the HV be slower? We’ve already seen that Homelander can adjust the intensity of the HV—for example, to spray a baby bottle. If the intensity can change, why not the speed? Especially when he’s just hanging out?
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Sure it's possible that the speed of Homelander's hv can change but it's also possible it can't. It's also possible that he was using the maximum intensity of his hv to kill Huey since he despises him.
Phsccarvalho said:
I mean, that just means that when he was playing Quicksilver, he was moving at a low speed for himself—low enough for him to control his own movements. And when he’s running from Homelander, that means he’s moving fast enough that he doesn’t have full control over his own movements. Like, in real life, if I’m walking, I can control my body more easily (like changing direction or dodging things) than if I were running as fast as I could.
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Again this point of mine and the HV point can be easily refuted until u consider the 3rd point where he is visibly running at significantly lower speeds. To the point normal humans can do multiple actions such as closing her car door, walking and talking whilst he is only 100s of meters away.
 
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Dinozxd said:
Am I the only one who thinks that the A Train-Homelander chase scene is an upgrade to A Train rather than a downgrade?

Homie literally has a Hyper+ accepted calc. He has outsped planes and jets. He also has a casual flight speed of Mach 1.5.

We didn't get much info about what A Train did in the time between S4 and S5 but as we learned in Gen V S2, supes can improve their powers with time. That could be how he could keep up with Homie in that scene.

Though I still don't agree with calcing A Train's moving in frozen time feat as it's too much of an upgrade imo.
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The verse might get a downgrade in speed. But yeah, A-Train would likely still scale to HL's Mach 1.52 feat
Phirse said:
There are multiple infos to suggest he was going slower. For instance he is shown to be multiple times faster than Homelander's hv. Blatantly outrunning it. Yet in the chase, the HV is shown to be multiple times faster than him and capable of tagging him. With the only reason it doesn't being due to Homelander's bad aim.

We also blatantly see that he had way more control over his momentum when he was ripping off Quicksilver; still moving at top speed even when he's standing still and interacting with people. Then during his escape from Homelander, he's suddenly unable to react to a civilian in the street without tripping over his feet and sending himself flying through trees

Lets not forget that the civilian can do multiple actions before A train and Homelander catches up to her. And she was only a km away at best. If they were really moving at massively hypersonic speeds during that time, this should not have been the case.
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Honestly, I think is just an outlier, no matter how you look at it. In fact, the more you analize it, the more of an outlier it becomes.
 
I say someone should calc the A-Train feat anyway. Also what does it being an outlier mean in this context? It's not canon, or? like he did it on screen, not a statement.
 
57Dev said:
You mean the reaction of giant monsters we literally see move in slow motion when seen from human perspective?

Like the entire roller coaster heav ride in GvK.
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You mean the Kong vs Warbat scene? My computer is slow as hell(I have 50 tabs open rn) and that still just looked like pretty normal speed except for the bits where Kong is whipping the heavy-ass snake off the ground and over his head, especially when you consider a normal human movement is gonna be subsonic or whatever off sheer size.
 
 
Usher: No, no. I trusted Eric 100%. He gave me the idea, and I purposefully didn’t want to put anything in his mind. I just feel like whatever it is that I’m thinking, he’s thought about it a hundred times over. His ideas are always greater than mine. I praise his pen. I think he’s incredible. So no, he told me from the jump that A-Train’s going to run; it’s going to be Homelander that’s going to do it. And we’re not going to bend or break the rules. [A-Train] is actually still going to be the fastest man. We’ll see him actually losing Homelander, so we’ll know if it weren’t for [A-Train] making the decision not to hit the girl, he actually would have gotten away. That to me was epic. That’s all I can really ask for. Because I want this character to stay who he is and to be as legendary as we built him up to be. And for the fans and stuff, they’re always going to ask, “Oh, is he that fast? Is Homelander faster?” It’s like, no, we can finally answer that question. A-Train is faster. But he’s also wiser now, and that brought him to his end
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Dinozxd said:
Homie literally has a Hyper+ accepted calc
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Its buns brother and wholly inconsistent to his other showings

Dinozxd said:
He has outsped planes and jets. He also has a casual flight speed of Mach 1.5.
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Wouldn't call that casual he was definitely very much intending to try and track down translucent and didn't want to let him die and regardless thats flight speed not combat and reactions
ByArrow said:
A-Train faster than Homelander
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Glad we can put this silly burst speed stuff to rest, outright stated he is simply faster. This should have been obvious but peeps are ignoring the intent of the scenes for goofy scales
 
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