The Beyonders

[Elizio33]

The curent tier of the Beyonders is 1-A mostly because three Beyonders killed the Living Tribunal who is 1-A but i don't think the Living Tribunal was that powerful in the Hickman's run. Plus, within this storyline, the Living Tribunal was all of the multiverse (infinite dimensional structure). The asbract entities that the Beyonders killed were the universal ones, they killed them in every universes. The forms the Beyonders take are physical manifestations. these forms are vulnerable to overwhelming forces such as the bomb that Doctor Doom used to kill them because these physical bodies contain their very essences. In the Beyond realm, the Beyonders are the embodiment of the outside/beyond and transcends time and space. So, i would propose "High 1-B, 1-A within the Beyond Realm"

 

[Antvasima]

You are probably correct that the Living Tribunal in Hickman's story was not that powerful, but given Marvel's inconsistent nature, we have to try to piece things together as best we can in terms of coherence.

 

[Elizio33]

I understand. What about the Beyonders being more vulnerable when they manifest themselves ouside the beyond realm? The Celestials's armor is also vulnerable and can be destroyed. I think it's a mistake to consider their death as PIS because their physical manifestations can be destroyed by overwhelming forces but it's just my opinion..

 

[Antvasima]

I do not know. I think that we make a distinction between their drones and their true selves.

 

[Elizio33]

Oh okay. I personally think it sould be better to add unknown for the durability of their manifestation bodies. Their true selves are probably non-corporeal since they embodies the beyond. I think you can close this thread then.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.