(7-1-1) The 4th wall breaking meta protagonists duel

[BlackDarkness679]

SBA in place, End God Mode Medaka is used and speed is equalized

Rentaro: ShionAH

Nonynho​

Rex_Eckles​

Edutyn​

TheTenno07​

MannyQ361​

Doggo​

Medaka:

SatellaTheWoE​

2 x 4th wall breaking:

FoxySonicMaster108​

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Erm, Medaka doesn’t break the fourth wall! 8-B or 5-C Medaka? I guess it doesn’t fully matter given Medaka could probably find ways to overcome the stat gap.

That said, what does Rentarou start with? Because Medaka usually takes the first hit (only exception was Iihiko if I recall)

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Erm, Medaka doesn’t break the fourth wall!

Its a 4th wall breaking series, so close enough

8-B or 5-C Medaka? I guess it doesn’t fully matter given Medaka could probably find ways to overcome the stat gap.

Tbf Rentaro also fought Kratos and Regulus from Rezero beforehand, so stats dont matter honestly

 

[BlackDarkness679]

That said, what does Rentarou start with? Because Medaka usually takes the first hit (only exception was Iihiko if I recall)

Unless I am wrong from what I remember of previous threads, his plot hax and SI I suppose

If Medaka has no ill intent and such he may try for conversation, if it gets ugly, well he will use meta shit

 

[ShionAH]

That said, what does Rentarou start with? Because Medaka usually takes the first hit (only exception was Iihiko if I recall)

Generally starts off with intimidation then physical and afterwards his hax, although he can resort to hax quicker if he feels the need.

Now for this matchup, I am not sure since I don’t know what type of person he is facing. He could try to solve it peacefully if she not ill intended especially because as far as I remember the people he fought in the series are all men.

 

[TheTenno07]

Is this legal?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Now for this matchup, I am not sure since I don’t know what type of person he is facing. He could try to solve it peacefully if she not ill intended especially because as far as I remember the people he fought in the series are all men.

She fought women too and even kissed one from what I remember

From my memory, she is kinda a mix of some of the girls Rentaro has, altho was done for gags iirc, like she a tsundere, kuudere and so on, she is also an exhibitionist, a girl whom tries to be a role model as president in highschool

But FSM, can explain better

 

[ShionAH]

She fought women too and even kissed one from what I remember

I meant Rentarou only fought men, although now I remembered a few instances of him threatening and planning to attack women who pose a threat to his girlfriends so everyone can ignore that point I made

From my memory, she is kinda a mix of some of the girls Rentaro has, altho was done for gags iirc, like she a tsundere, kuudere and so on, she is also an exhibitionist, a girl whom tries to be a role model as president in highschool

What would be possible wincons she could use on Rentarou?

A few things to note. She lacks 4th wall awareness so she definitely cannot copy Rentarou’s Reality and Plot Manipulation. He resists her Luck.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

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Medaka is the same way with her hax, only uses it when she has to. But she starts off taking the first hit to analyze what the opponent does and stuff like that, and then usually goes onto physical, and eventually uses hax if it comes down to it. That said Medaka doesn't have ill intentions, so...

 

[ShionAH]

MSnip

What could she use as a wincon against Rentarou? I am not sure if I understood it correctly but her Conceptual Manipulation isn’t exactly an death button right?

 

[TheTenno07]

What could she use as a wincon against Rentarou? I am not sure if I understood it correctly but her Conceptual Manipulation isn’t exactly an death button right?

Manipulation which btw, Rentarou can affect with his plot manipulation

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

A few things to note. She lacks 4th wall awareness so she definitely cannot copy Rentarou’s Reality and Plot Manipulation. He resists her Luck.

Abnormal's in Medaka Box already have some resistance to their luck being nullified, and Medaka is far above the average Abnormal. Don't how relevant it is, but it is a thing (the Fourth Wall Awareness could maybe bypass it?)

What could she use as a wincon against Rentarou? I am not sure if I understood it correctly but her Conceptual Manipulation isn’t exactly an death button right?

The conceptual manipulation was used to erase colors which indirectly nullified Fude Ezumachi's skill "Color of Beauty", and was also stated it would be possible to erase the concept of time with it. It's not really a death button (All Fiction can erase people though, but even then it's way out of character for even the original user, Kumagawa Misogi)

Also how skilled is Rentarou? It might be redundant to ask, but I'm curious.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Also how skilled is Rentarou? It might be redundant to ask, but I'm curious.

Gifted (Can create complex[53] and elaborate[53] schemes for simple tasks[53], developed a phone app[59] for Shizuka. Studied making friends, social skills and human psychology[17] in depth, successfully used Hakari and Karane's intimacy and their new personality as Kiss Zombies to escape their grasp[97]. Manipulated every contestant in the Food Fight Festival by using Kurumi's love for food as bait[61] to convince them into believing that eating extra's instead of rice to wash it down is a good idea[61]. Figured out that making Meido laugh at a joke and then suddenly revealing it was about Hahari[98] would stop her from smiling and force her to open her eyes[98], after noticing Iku's masochistic tendencies he pretended to reject her so that she could experience a new kind of pain[46], solved two world ending crisis in one go[50]. Found a loop hole in Hakari and Hahari's plan to use Meis' extreme obedience[12] by throwing himself out so that she wouldn't be able to do it herself, forcing her to stop him and try to do it herself which left her open for a counter attack[12]. Abused Iku's masochistic muscle memory[12] to defeat her in wrestling[12], after memorizing and studying every single minor detail of a TV show he was able to answer the hyper specific questions perfectly[58] and later on solving the trick question by using the previous information he heard about Hahari's childhood[58]. Predicted that Naddy would make onigiri instead of hamburgers due to being distracted[57], Kurumi would want to eat some dango[57] and that the rest of the girls would want the marriage proposal[57]. He is Anti-Godzilla[7] and Counter-Terrorist image trained[8])

 

[ShionAH]

Abnormal's in Medaka Box already have some resistance to their luck being nullified, and Medaka is far above the average Abnormal. Don't how relevant it is, but it is a thing (the Fourth Wall Awareness could maybe bypass it?)

Unfortunately I don’t see any layers on the profile so it doesn’t help

The conceptual manipulation was used to erase colors which indirectly nullified Fude Ezumachi's skill "Color of Beauty", and was also stated it would be possible to erase the concept of time with it. It's not really a death button (All Fiction can erase people though, but even then it's way out of character for even the original user, Kumagawa Misogi)

Alright I see, hmm is there anything else that could be lethal?

Also how skilled is Rentarou? It might be redundant to ask, but I'm curious.

Decently skilled, he is trained on his own and can defeat large groups of people but from what I see she is far above him in that regard. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Edutyn]

when i read the title i was expecting someone else

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Unfortunately I don’t see any layers on the profile so it doesn’t help

There are layers to the resistance to probability? Sheesh, Medaka Box doesn't really have layers like that for the luck.

Alright I see, hmm is there anything else that could be lethal?

Bookmaker, it not only reduces the target's body, spirit, technique, intellect, and talent down to Kumagawa Misogi's level, but also power nulls, and usually the shock from such a drop KO's people. Most important part is the power null I'd say, but I heavily doubt it would stop Plot Manipulation, there are other skills in Medaka Box that can nullify powers, but don't work on Medaka's protagonist correction for instance.

There's also stuff like Weighted Words, Encounter, Scar Dead, etc, but how much of an effect they'd have I'm not too sure given Rentarou's resistances (Encounter might be useful for deflecting physical and mental attacks though, but that's it)

Decently skilled, he is trained on his own and can defeat large groups of people but from what I see she is far above him in that regard. Correct me if I am wrong.

Yeaaah I think Medaka out skills for sure.

 

[ShionAH]

There are layers to the resistance to probability? Sheesh, Medaka Box doesn't really have layers like that for the luck.

Rentarou does not have layers for that, I meant Medaka Box doesn’t have layers

After reading your comment my take on the matchup.

If they fight. Medaka could win by limiting and nullifying Rentarou’s regeneration and then attempting to kill him with her superior skill and other abilities before he decides to use his Plot Manipulation to complete take over the fight, get a grapple and tear her to shreds, erase her Idea from Reality etc.

If they talk it out. Rentarou has superior SI especially against girls so he would take the W.

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If she was able to nullify or nerf his regeneration, what could she do to put Rentarou down quickly? Matter of fact what are the AP values actually

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Rentarou does not have layers for that, I meant Medaka Box doesn’t have layers

Ahhh I see.

After reading your comment my take on the matchup.

If they fight. Medaka could win by limiting and nullifying Rentarou’s regeneration and then attempting to kill him with her superior skill and other abilities before he decides to use his Plot Manipulation to complete take over the fight, get a grapple and tear her to shreds, erase her Idea from Reality etc.

Yeah fair enough (stat reduction might not even matter for this depending on AP used)

If they talk it out. Rentarou has superior SI especially against girls so he would take the W.

Maybe

If she was able to nullify or nerf his regeneration, what could she do to put Rentarou down quickly? Matter of fact what are the AP values actually

Medaka is either 8-B (24.0781 tons) or Baseline 5-C in this key, I think she might one shot even if it isn't right at the start. Also doesn't Rentarou have Type 4 and 8 immortality or would that not matter?

 

[ShionAH]

Medaka is either 8-B (24.0781 tons) or Baseline 5-C in this key, I think she might one shot even if it isn't right at the start. Also doesn't Rentarou have Type 4 and 8 immortality or would that not matter?

I thought she could maybe counter them with Causality Manipulation or her Power Nullification, if neither works I guess its a stomp?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Medaka is either 8-B (24.0781 tons) or Baseline 5-C in this key, I think she might one shot even if it isn't right at the start. Also doesn't Rentarou have Type 4 and 8 immortality or would that not matter?

Rentaro would scale at his highest into 5-A iirc from a calc, but Shion doesnt vibe to that so its not added yet there

Just so you know

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

I thought she could maybe counter them with Causality Manipulation or her Power Nullification, if neither works I guess its a stomp?

Oh wait, it's through a blessing LMAO, yeah no Medaka could straight up undo that effect if she goes for All Fiction. Either way I think Bookmaker could still null it, but I just wasn't sure if it would work after Rentarou dies or something, I guess Medaka could KO at least (Medaka hasn't killed anyone so)

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Following.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Bookmaker + skillslop gg?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Bump

Also what was each one vote precisely? Unless its not fair enough

 

[ShionAH]

Also what was each one vote precisely? Unless its not fair enough

I guess I'll vote Rentarou, he can win the fight basically any time he wants and I believe he would use it before she can use Bookmaker and then her skillslop to kill him especially since he can sense danger and incredibly smart

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Bookmaker + skillslop gg?

So you voting Medaka then? To be sure on votes

 

[Nonynho]

Yeah, i saw @ShionAH making sense so imma vote Rentarou too, FRA

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I think Rentarou has marginally better arguments. There I voted, let my family go now

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Honestly going Inconclusive, depends on who goes with what first to me. (Also not to mention Medaka usually wins she has to, and given SBA she has that chance)

Excuse me if I come off as ignorant though, just don't know a lot about Rentarou

 

[Edutyn]

Rentaro fra

 

[LaserPrecision]

Why is bro still Class E and not scaling to that feat in AP. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[ShionAH]

Why is bro still Class E and not scaling to that feat in AP. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Thats more like having your cake and not eating it

 

[LaserPrecision]

Thats more like having your cake and not eating it

That depends on how you perceive it I guess. Having way higher LS for your tier is good but obscure. It doesn't work in this case tho since it's via a physical feat rather than some external device.

He either has Class E and Multi-Cont (Or whatever tier the hair is), or he doesn't have Class E and Multi-Cont (Or, again, whatever tier the hair is).

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Why is bro still Class E and not scaling to that feat in AP. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Shion openly stated he aint a fan of that, so he doesnt wanna make a CRT for it himself

 

[LaserPrecision]

Shion openly stated he aint a fan of that, so he doesnt wanna make a CRT for it himself

If he isn't a fan of it, that's fine. But if that's the case he should make a CRT to remove the Class E LS too.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

If he isn't a fan of it, that's fine. But if that's the case he should make a CRT to remove the Class E LS too.

I will add the tier 5 calc myself sooner or later

 

[TheTenno07]

My vote goes to rentarou as well btw

 

[MannyQ361]

Voting Rentarou fra.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

is there anything that actually stops medaka from just copying his stuff btw?

 

[ShionAH]

is there anything that actually stops medaka from just copying his stuff btw?

Yes this was already discussed above, she cannot copy or nullify the most important aspects of Rentarou's kit meanwhile his Immortality and stuff can indeed be stopped which is her main wincon.