Tensura web novel revision: Rimuru tempest higher dimensional manipulation and existence

[Starfeldway]

so I will scale higher dimensional existence of rimuru web novel
firstly I'll break down how one can have higher dimensional existence
-higher-dimensional when they exist as part of a system with a number of coordinates axes greater than our own, or in layman's terms, if they possess more than three dimensions.

then let's look at rimuru 4th dimensional space which is the imaginary space..
-the imaginary space can contain enough turn null to recreate veldanava's world+the gs of time(type 1 concept of time)+its several parallel universes
-it is the evolved version of stomach that is also a 4th dimensional finite space.
-rimuru main body is in the imaginary space . to reach the imaginary space you need an attack that transcends time and space
-reaching imaginary space needs a 4D range attack. so in context rimuru main body nature is 4D existence,not just cause he was in the space but because to reach him you need to transcend both and time and space,so his body isn't on a 3D plane anymore

Higher dimensional manipulation
-Higher Dimensional Manipulation is the ability to manipulate greater spatial and temporal dimensions than 3-D space, such as 4-D space and above.

-then let's look at ciel who evolved rimuru 4D stomach to 4D imaginary space...technically speaking ciel can alternate that space too

 

[LoganKroos]

simple and objective, the real body of the rimuru is located in a dimension separate from the verse which has 4 dimensions, I agree

 

[Everything12]

Being on a fourth dimensional plane isn't Higher-Dimensional Existence. You have to be four dimensional yourself, not just be somewhere four dimensional or use a four dimensional power.

 

[ImmortalDread]

You can have 4D Durability while being 3D existence yourself. I don't think the argument would work, Velda Sama.

 

[LoganKroos]

Being on a fourth dimensional plane isn't Higher-Dimensional Existence. You have to be four dimensional yourself, not just be somewhere four dimensional or use a four dimensional power.

I see, so you need to be 4 Dimensions to qualify at that level, but rimuru can copy anything he analyzes and turn into that, that's why he has Abstract Existence by analyzing angels and demons, since he analyzed space imaginary and have full control over it, doesn't that qualify?

 

[Sniper670]

You rush too much. You should've given this more thought than rush it after a thread ended not even 3 hrs ago

 

[ImmortalDread]

I am having issues with this. Copying anything and analyses to turn into that needs some evidence. It is a no-limit fallacy right now. Specially, we are discussing turning yourself into 4D dimensional existence.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Unless the argument is “He can turn himself into an imaginary space, therefore he is 4D existence”. I would agree, but too bad, you need some evidence with it.

 

[Starfeldway]

You rush too much. You should've given this more thought than rush it after a thread ended not even 3 hrs ago

right,have been thinking about this though.
he should also have higher dimensional manipulation since ciel alterated stomach

 

[Starfeldway]

You can have 4D Durability while being 3D existence yourself. I don't think the argument would work, Velda Sama.

Being on a fourth dimensional plane isn't Higher-Dimensional Existence. You have to be four dimensional yourself, not just be somewhere four dimensional or use a four dimensional power.

Well since ciel have complete authority over imaginary space and his stomach,he should be able to get it. besides changing 4D stomach to 4D imaginary space gives it off.

 

[JV_DLS]

Being on a fourth dimensional plane isn't Higher-Dimensional Existence. You have to be four dimensional yourself, not just be somewhere four dimensional or use a four dimensional power.

I'm confused now, can a 3D character simply enter or exist in a 4D dimension even though it's not 4D?

 

[Starfeldway]

You can have 4D Durability while being 3D existence yourself. I don't think the argument would work, Velda Sama.

I could change the op to "higher dimensional manipulation"

 

[JV_DLS]

You can have 4D Durability while being 3D existence yourself. I don't think the argument would work, Velda Sama.

Velda Sama? it's him ?

 

[ImmortalDread]

I'm confused now, can a 3D character simply enter or exist in a 4D dimension even though it's not 4D?

Ya? You can't be 3D on a 2D plane, this is mathematically accurate (unless the fiction shows otherwise), but you can be 3D existence on a higher plane.

 

[JV_DLS]

Unless the argument is “He can turn himself into an imaginary space, therefore he is 4D existence”. I would agree, but too bad, you need some evidence with it.

well, theoretically the stomach is an extension of Rimuru and when it was evolved to infinite 4D Rimuru's body was inside, wouldn't that somehow have made him evolve too?

 

[Starfeldway]

Velda Sama? it's him ?

no

 

[ImmortalDread]

You guys are missing a point. Rimuru's body is still a 3-dimensional being. Inside the “stomach”, there is a 4D plane (2-A space, 2B filled up), and nowhere has it affected Rimuru's body or his existence whatsoever.

 

[Starfeldway]

You guys are missing a point. Rimuru's body is still a 3-dimensional being. Inside the “stomach”, there is a 4D plane (2-A space, 2B filled up), and nowhere has it affected Rimuru's body or his existence whatsoever.

you're saying a 3D being can exist within a 4D plane and still be called 3D?

 

[ImmortalDread]

you're saying a 3D being can exist within a 4D plane and still be called 3D?

Ya? We are living in a 4D plane.

 

[simply]

After the OP has been changed to Higher Dimensional Manipulation, i agree.

 

[Peak]

Rimuru becomes 4D by injecting turn null


Looks like there was a mistake, I thought just existing in a higher dimension would grant BDE, in which case I'll have to disagree, Rimuru is 3D

 

[simply]

Rimuru becomes 4D by injecting turn null


Looks like there was a mistake, I thought just existing in a higher dimension would grant BDE, in which case I'll have to disagree, Rimuru is 3D

Do you mean HDE? Cause this thread isnt for BDE.

 

[Everything12]

I'm confused now, can a 3D character simply enter or exist in a 4D dimension even though it's not 4D?

Sure. If they have the necessary range and abilities.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Do you mean HDE? Cause this thread isnt for BDE.

He disagrees with HDE.

 

[simply]

He disagrees with HDE.

In his message, he says ‘BDE’, not ‘HDE’

I thought just existing in a higher dimension would grant BDE

 

[ImmortalDread]

Is there any proof that Rimuru completely manipulates the whole 4D plane?

 

[Starfeldway]

Is there any proof that Rimuru completely manipulates the whole 4D plane?

ciel did

 

[Starfeldway]

Ya? We are living in a 4D plane.

am referring to the fact rimuru body can't be reached unless you use a 4D attack

 

[ImmortalDread]

am referring to the fact rimuru body can't be reached unless you use a 4D attack

4D durability

 

[ImmortalDread]

ciel did

Elaborate with evidence.

 

[Peak]

In his message, he says ‘BDE’, not ‘HDE’

The topic was changed after I replied, and I disagree with HDE anyway, Ciel can only use imaginary space to isolate and store, it has never been shown him altering all imaginary space or any other 4D space, not that I remember

 

[Peak]

am referring to the fact rimuru body can't be reached unless you use a 4D attack

You resisting 4D attack doesn't make you 4D

 

[LoganKroos]

rimuru is protected by a 4d dimension of infinite size, that is, to be able to attack it you would have to cross that dimension, I don't remember for sure, but is this type of protection already in rimuru's profile?

 

[simply]

The topic was changed after I replied, and I disagree with HDE anyway, Ciel can only use imaginary space to isolate and store, it has never been shown him altering all imaginary space or any other 4D space, not that I remember

OP changed to Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, not Beyond-Dimensional existence.

 

[Starfeldway]

yes

Is there any proof that Rimuru completely manipulates the whole 4D plane?

manas: ciel

 

[Peak]

OP changed to Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, not Beyond-Dimensional existence.

yes, and i still disagree, read the message you tagged

 

[simply]

OP changed to Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, not Beyond-Dimensional existence.

I think Dread asked for proof of Ciel being able to completely manipulate the 4D plane.

 

[Starfeldway]

Elaborate with evidence.

changing stomach to imaginary space

 

[simply]

yes, and i still disagree, read the message you tagged

Yeah OK, I thought you may have read it wrong or thought its BDE lol.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

I'm confused now, can a 3D character simply enter or exist in a 4D dimension even though it's not 4D?

This is fiction
Anything is almost possible, it's also theoretically speaking possible for 3D to even exist in infinite dimensional space.

Anyway, long short.
The premise that Rimuru existing in 4D space as the argument for HDE lacks evidence, especially knowing Rimuru himself has a 4D barrier.