Tensura range upgrade (low tiers)

[Dark_Soul20189]

Hello, this should be a quick CRT, that wants to upgrade and add actual descriptions to some range sections. Tensura lacks them a lot...

The only issue is that Yenpress is in the USA; they not only change the size from metric to imperial measurements but also convert them incorrectly, forcing us to use the raws for it. Also since the guy that has our scans is currently unable to access them, I will show raws as quotes with references to volume and chapter, instead of scans.

Here are three examples of what I am talking about
raws 50km - Yenpress 30 milies
raws 100 meters - Yenpress 300 feet
raws 2km - Yenpress 1 mile


Verse - Tensura Light novel


Mjur (lacks a profile for now)

- Anti-Magic Field - has a radius of 5km.

その大魔法とは、半径五キロ圏内を一切の魔法不能領域(アンチマジックエリア)へと変えるというもの。大魔法の発動には時間がかかる為、今直ぐに取り掛かれと告げられたのだった。

(Volume 5, Chapter 2)

Rimuru (Slime key)

- Anti-Magic field - has a radius of 25kms.

俺は、ファルムス王国の軍勢全てを覆うような、大規模な魔法陣を展開させた。ミュウランから得た大魔法：魔法不能領域(アンチマジックエリア)である。
位置情報は完璧で、直径五十キロの大真円が地上に出現する。それは地上三メートル付近までを完全に覆い尽くし、空と大地を遮断する。

(Volume 5, Chapter 4)

Diablo (Arch Daemon)

- Anti-magic area - Has a radius of 2km.

その悪魔を中心に半径二キロ程度に発動したその魔法は、魔法不能領域(アンチマジックエリア)だった。

(Volume 5, Chapter 5)


Razen

Never used it but we do know he has it, but we can assume it is at least as large as Diablos (currently the smallest one shown in the series)


Shuna (Kijin key) and Shuna (Oni key)

• Anti-magic area - The exact radius is unknown, but it should be assumed to be at least the lowest value, a 2km radius, but is likely higher.
• Alignment field - Has a radius of 100 meters

その瞬間、シュナを中心とした半径百メートルの範囲が、邪悪なる者の侵入を妨げる聖地へと変貌したのである。
それは、魔素という物質に反応する結界であった。〝魔法不能領域(アンチマジックエリア)〟と〝聖浄化結界(ホーリーフィールド)〟を『解析鑑定』して『融合』させている。前回の経験を活かし、シュナが独自に開発したオリジナル魔法であった。

Volume 6, Chapter 4


Notes

• Translated on site here, if you wanna confirm the values.
• Shuna and Razen, are both experienced magic users, with Unique skills, so it should be safe to assume They should be at least as capable as the smallest current Anti-magic area, which would be Diablo's that was set up without any real effort.
• Current smallest 2km radius, current largest 25km radius.
• Alignment Field is the evolution of the spell (Anti-magic area combined with Holy field), making the spell lots more complicated, and a much smaller area.
• Shuna had analyzed Anti-Magic Area before evolving
• It needs to be noted that Diablo was barely trying.
• Razen will be removed if he causes issues.
• The proposed range for Shuna and Razen was changed during the thread for reasons mentioned in the thread (them being more accurate to the scaling chain 2-5

Conclusion - "Shuna" and "Razen" get a range of 4 kilometers with Anti-Magic Area, scaling to the lowest range shown in the verse (2 km radius), "Diablo" gets at least a 4 km range with Anti-Magic Area, "Mjur" gets 10 kilometers to range with Anti-Magic Area, "Rimuru" gets his range to 50 km with Anti-Magic Area. Lastly "Shuna", gets a 200-meter range with Aligment Field.


Votes
Agree - @Astral_Trinity439, @Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe, @Damage3245, @Berga14, @Tempestdragon6, @Mr. Bambu, @Elizhaa,
Disagree -
Neutral -

I Feel like I missed/forgot something, But can't remember what it was for hours now, so I will post it anyway, please if you find anything wrong/missing please notify me so I can fix it.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Seems good at first glance; I agree.

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

This should be fine

 

[Damage3245]

Seems okay.

 

[Berga14]

Hello, this should be a quick CRT, that wants to upgrade and add actual descriptions to some range sections. Tensura lacks them a lot...

The only issue is that Yenpress is in the USA; they not only change the size from metric to imperial measurements but also convert them incorrectly, forcing us to use the raws for it. Also since the guy that has our scans is currently unable to access them, I will show raws as quotes with references to volume and chapter, instead of scans.

Here are three examples of what I am talking about
raws 50km - Yenpress 30 milies
raws 100 meters - Yenpress 300 feet
raws 2km - Yenpress 1 mile


Verse - Tensura Light novel


Mjur (lacks a profile for now)

- Anti-Magic Field - has a radius of 5km.

(Volume 5, Chapter 2)

Rimuru (Slime key)

- Anti-Magic field - has a radius of 25kms.

(Volume 5, Chapter 4)

Diablo (Arch Daemon)

- Anti-magic area - Has a radius of 2km.

(Volume 5, Chapter 5)


Razen

Never used it but we do know he has it, but we can assume it is at least as large as Diablos (currently smallest one shown in the series)


Shuna (Kijin key) and Shuna (Oni key)

• Anti-magic area - The exact radius is unknown, but it should be assumed to be at least the lowest value, a 2km radius, but is likely higher.
• Alignment field - Has a radius of 100 meters

Volume 6, Chapter 4


Notes

• Translated on site here, if you wanna confirm the values.
• Shuna and Razen, are both experienced magic users, with Unique skills, so it should be safe to assume They should be at least as capable as the smallest current Anti-magic area, which would be Diablo's that was set up without any real effort.
• Current smallest 2km radius, current largest 25km radius.
• Alignment Field is the evolution of the spell (Anti-magic area combined with Holy field), making the spell lots more complicated, and a much smaller area.
• Shuna had analyzed Anti-Magic Area before evolving
• It needs to be noted that Diablo was barely trying.
• Razen will be removed if he causes issues.

Conclusion - "Shuna" and "Razen" get a range of 4 kilometers with Anti-Magic Area, scaling to the lowest range shown in the verse (2 km radius), "Diablo" gets at least a 4 km range with Anti-Magic Area, "Mjur" gets 10 kilometers to range with Anti-Magic Area, "Rimuru" gets his range to 50 km with Anti-Magic Area. Lastly "Shuna", gets a 200-meter range with Aligment Field.


Votes
Agree - @Astral_Trinity439, @Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe,
Disagree -
Neutral -

I Feel like I missed/forgot something, But can't remember what it was for hours now, so I will post it anyway, please if you find anything wrong/missing please notify me so I can fix it.

Dark's first crt that isn't a downgrade

Agree obviously

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Dark's first crt that isn't a downgrade

That's wrong actually, I did do an upgrade for DB... Once

 

[Tempestdragon6]

agree

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I have some objection to using 2 km as the supposed smallest; is Diablos like. The weakest character, or does he have a significantly weaker Anti-Magic field? The translation of one of these scans mentions fusing their anti-magic field and their alignment field to achieve one effect, which has a radius of 300 meters; that, to me, implies 300 meters ought to be the lowest end, not 2 km.

Otherwise, I believe I am in agreement with the thread.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I have some objection to using 2 km as the supposed smallest; is Diablos like. The weakest character, or does he have a significantly weaker Anti-Magic field? The translation of one of these scans mentions fusing their anti-magic field and their alignment field to achieve one effect, which has a radius of 300 meters; that, to me, implies 300 meters ought to be the lowest end, not 2 km.

Alignment field is a combination of Anti-magic field and Holy field, making the spell much more complicated, and is also considered the evolved version of "anti-magic field", so it would only make sense for it to have a shorter area due to how much more powerful it is, and how much more complicated the skill is.

Also I think you misunderstood it fused "Holy field" and "Anti-Magic Area" to create Alignment Field"

Diablo is far stronger than Mjur, and it's not even close (Primordial Daemons beings like Diablo are the 2nd highest-ranking beings in the verse), the reason why it's so small is that he didn't even bother trying to set it up, and just used a spell that normally takes time and concentration to set up, with a flip of his finger, without even trying, Just to scare his opponent...

Otherwise, I believe I am in agreement with the thread.

alright

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I didn't misunderstand, I do now see that I mistyped- new phrases and whatnot. Still, I would disagree with 2 km being the interpreted minimum, even for creatures relatively comparable to Diablos, if he's a bigwig. Mjur, is he comparable or superior to Shuna?

I don't know about the logic of strength equating to radius size, but the CRT seems to present evidence that it is the case, and it seems accepted as common knowledge, so I will judge it by this measure.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I didn't misunderstand, I do now see that I mistyped- new phrases and whatnot. Still, I would disagree with 2 km being the interpreted minimum, even for creatures relatively comparable to Diablos, if he's a bigwig. Mjur, is he comparable or superior to Shuna?

Shuna is superior to Mjur, even possessing a "unique skill" giving her higher authority than "Mjur". So her magic is Superior to her.

(As I Said Diablo is not comparable to any being on the list, Since he is one of the strongest beings in the verse, the reason he is the example, is due to him being the lowest range we have seen from Anti-Magic field area)

I don't know about the logic of strength equating to radius size, but the CRT seems to present evidence that it is the case, and it seems accepted as common knowledge, so I will judge it by this measure.

Basically the size of it depends on the person's magic poweress, and since Shuna is superior to Mjur due to possessing a Unique skill, her range should be higher than hers.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Is it explicitly mentioned that combining those two spells/effects/what have you reduces their size? Specifically, does Shuna ever create an anti-magic field, and it is larger? Or, at least, does anyone weaker or comparable to her do so? If not, Mjur shouldn't scale to any of these, I think, and Shuna's should be held to be 300 meters in radius.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Is it explicitly mentioned that combining those two spells/effects/what have you reduces their size? Specifically, does Shuna ever create an anti-magic field, and it is larger?

As mentioned, she was never able to show of creating it alone, due to it evolving with her, before her first ever battle.

Everything in Tensura is information, The stronger something is, the more complex the information, required is.

Not to mention her "alignment" Field, is her own magic she just created.

Small sumery of the abilities.

Anti-magic area - Prevents All MAgic that rewrites the laws of the world

Alignment Field - Completely blocks magicules from the outside world and some other stuff I don't fully understand myself.

TLTR - You can't compare the Alignment field to Anti Magic area.

Or, at least, does anyone weaker or comparable to her do so?

Mjurer is the weakest on the list, all should upscale from her.

If not, Mjur shouldn't scale to any of these, I think,

Mjuerer own feats scale her to 10km.


Edit - To explain a bit better how stronger magic spells work.

The casting of spells requires mages to use incantations and/or hand signs to focus an image and mana to conjure magic. Magic incantations and hand signs are just tools used to help increase focus and give the caster a solid image of the spell; as a result, those capable of clearly visualizing the spell's desired result can cast it without incantation or hand sign.

More powerful spells will require greater concentration and longer incantations to perform, with some even needing years to complete due to their complexity.

To further hand down, Shuna's Superiority She posses the Extra skill "all of creation"

It allows the user to comprehend anything as long as they have a basic understanding of it and it is perceivable to the user.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Diablo is far stronger than Mjur, and it's not even close (Primordial Daemons beings like Diablo are the 2nd highest-ranking beings in the verse), the reason why it's so small is that he didn't even bother trying to set it up, and just used a spell that normally takes time and concentration to set up, with a flip of his finger, without even trying, Just to scare his opponent...

Ok, that's it

(As I Said Diablo is not comparable to any being on the list, Since he is one of the strongest beings in the verse, the reason he is the example, is due to him being the lowest range we have seen from Anti-Magic field area

But what is it?

We know that demons lose most of their power when summoned from hell to world, but yes Arch Demon Diablo is already the strongest low tier character. Even after they both evolved to Demon Lord, Diablo was initially stronger than Rimuru. Thats why his anti-magic field scales to Slime Rimuru's anti-magic field.

Everything in Tensura is information, The stronger something is, the more complex the information, required is.

Don't expect staff to take this.

Basically the size of it depends on the person's magic poweress, and since Shuna is superior to Mjur due to possessing a Unique skill, her range should be higher than hers.

So, since the ranges of the Disintegration spell and its derivatives are also proportional to the magic power. Yes, there should be okey.

Mjurer is the weakest on the list, all should upscale from her.

Yes, Shuna (Oni) stronger than Adalman in terms of magical power, and Adalman is stronger than Mjur due to finger scaling. Then why did you suggest a 2 kilometer radius instead of 5 as the lowest end?

Is it explicitly mentioned that combining those two spells/effects/what have you reduces their size?

"Understood. The effects of Great Magic: Anti-Magic Area are detected, albeit with a reduction in magicule density. It runs on the same principle as Holy Field but is not uniform in composure, some areas being less dense than others. It is impure, likely an inferior version. Anyone inside it will be affected, but the effects can be resisted with Multilayer Barrier" (Volume 5, Chapter 3, page 98)

It seems natural that the combination of the two would occupy less volume than the volume occupied by the less dense one, since one is more dense than the other.

Unless I'm missing something, the anti-magic field should work within a 5 kilometer radius for anyone with more magic power than Mjur.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Yes, Shuna (Oni) stronger than Adalman in terms of magical power, and Adalman is stronger than Mjur due to finger scaling. Then why did you suggest a 2 kilometer radius instead of 5 as the lowest end?

I was gonna do a 5km radius, but due to the 2km existing, it felt like an oversight to not mention it, If @Mr. Bambu, Agrees I can it to the 5km radius as the proposal.

It should be fine without resetting the votes since it doesn't change anything.

 

[CodeCCLL]

I was gonna do a 5km radius, but due to the 2km existing,

The characters equal in power to an Arch Demon Diablo who restrains himself would be Shizue, who does not use her full power because of Ifrit, and A+ class characters comparable to her, but the characters in question do not have this ability. (Low 6-B)

Special A Rank's (6-B to High 6-B) may scale from Mjur.

I think it's good that way

 

[Mr. Bambu]

"Understood. The effects of Great Magic: Anti-Magic Area are detected, albeit with a reduction in magicule density. It runs on the same principle as Holy Field but is not uniform in composure, some areas being less dense than others. It is impure, likely an inferior version. Anyone inside it will be affected, but the effects can be resisted with Multilayer Barrier" (Volume 5, Chapter 3, page 98)

Has this explicitly shown to reduce the radius of other spells? Taking this singular quote at face value, it says that it is less dense, not less massive, and that it is "impure", making it more easily resistable. It doesn't mention a reduction of size, and so I'd be opposed to making the assumption that it extends to radius as well as magic density.

Unless I'm missing something, the anti-magic field should work within a 5 kilometer radius for anyone with more magic power than Mjur.

I don't think it's an identical situation, however. 5 kilometers explicitly took Mjur time to prepare, whereas lower values exist. I don't think prep time should be presumed to be the minimum when we have lower values. I suppose it should be noted that range increases with prep time in some circumstances, with the lowest (stated) end being 100 meters.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Has this explicitly shown to reduce the radius of other spells?

No.

Taking this singular quote at face value, it says that it is less dense, not less massive, and that it is "impure", making it more easily resistable. It doesn't mention a reduction of size, and so I'd be opposed to making the assumption that it extends to radius as well as magic density.

When it comes to equal volume, less dense would mean less mass. You don't assume this because there is no evidence that the comparison takes this into account, right?

I don't think it's an identical situation, however. 5 kilometers explicitly took Mjur time to prepare, whereas lower values exist.

According to the anime, while the preparation time for Mjur to create the barrier within a radius of 5 kilometers is about 1 minute, Diablo creates the barrier within a radius of 2 kilometers instantly.

I don't think prep time should be presumed to be the minimum when we have lower values. I suppose it should be noted that range increases with prep time in some circumstances, with the lowest (stated) end being 100 meters.

Why? The longest distance the barrier's radius can reach should be the range of the characters in question.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

When it comes to equal volume, less dense would mean less mass. You don't assume this because there is no evidence that the comparison takes this into account, right?

Less dense would equal less mass, that is the way of it, yeah. But it doesn't mean less size. Ice is less dense than steel, this means the something made of ice that is the same size as something made of steel, will weigh less. Not that the thing made of ice will be smaller.

According to the anime, while the preparation time for Mjur to create the barrier within a radius of 5 kilometers is about 1 minute, Diablo creates the barrier within a radius of 2 kilometers instantly.

Yes, because he is stronger, that was my point.

Why? The longest distance the barrier's radius can reach should be the range of the characters in question.

Because it is done via prep time, and because we do not make a habit of assuming characters scale to the highest range unless they are stronger. On-the-fly usage of the ability is demonstrably lower radius than Mjur's prep time, hence Diablos' circle having a radius of only two kilometers.

I have considered it, and will accept Shuna's radius as being higher if using only the anti-magic field. It still tracks to me that in combination, the ability's radius is just 100 meters, however.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Less dense would equal less mass, that is the way of it, yeah. But it doesn't mean less size. Ice is less dense than steel, this means the something made of ice that is the same size as something made of steel, will weigh less. Not that the thing made of ice will be smaller.

I see.

Because it is done via prep time, and because we do not make a habit of assuming characters scale to the highest range unless they are stronger.

I can't say I agree with that, but if you say it should be that way, so be it.

I have considered it, and will accept Shuna's radius as being higher if using only the anti-magic field. It still tracks to me that in combination, the ability's radius is just 100 meters, however.

Then I guess it can be said that you agreed with the first proposals, so it seems that this thread has been accepted.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I see.

I can't say I agree with that, but if you say it should be that way, so be it.

Then I guess it can be said that you agreed with the first proposals, so it seems that this thread has been accepted.

Outside of setting a minimum range of 5 kilometers for the spell, yes, I have generally accepted the thread.

 

[Elizhaa]

The updated proposals look fine.

 

[Napoleonic01]

Since there's 3 votes for agree shouldn't this thread be close or am I missing something.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Since there's 3 votes for agree shouldn't this thread be close or am I missing something.

48-hour grace period for normal threads.

 

[Napoleonic01]

48-hour grace period for normal threads.

Ahh okay

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

48-hour grace period for normal threads.

That's "since the thread has started", not "since the last staff accepted it".
Yes, I've confirmed this with Ant once in the past.

And 24 hours is probably enough for this because its a minor upgrade such as range for the normal standards of the verse, not something as big as tier 1 or overpowered abilities.

 

[CodeCCLL]

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Diablo (Light Novel)

Diablo is the Black Primordial Noir, one of the first Daemons in existence and the progenitor of the "black bloodline" of Daemons. After being summoned and named by Rimuru Tempest, he materialized and evolved from an Arch Daemon into a Daemon Lord, becoming Rimuru's second secretary. Diablo is...

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Shuna (Light Novel)

Shuna「朱しゅ菜な Shuna」is one of the six Kijin who were named by Rimuru Tempest. Despite not often engaging in combat, she is extremely skilled and talented in magic. She is also the head of Tempest's Department of Production and one of Rimuru's economic advisors. Tier: High 6-C | 6-B, Low 1-C with...

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[Dark_Soul20189]

Diablo (Light Novel)

Diablo is the Black Primordial Noir, one of the first Daemons in existence and the progenitor of the "black bloodline" of Daemons. After being summoned and named by Rimuru Tempest, he materialized and evolved from an Arch Daemon into a Daemon Lord, becoming Rimuru's second secretary. Diablo is...

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Shuna (Light Novel)

Shuna「朱しゅ菜な Shuna」is one of the six Kijin who were named by Rimuru Tempest. Despite not often engaging in combat, she is extremely skilled and talented in magic. She is also the head of Tempest's Department of Production and one of Rimuru's economic advisors. Tier: High 6-C | 6-B, Low 1-C with...

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Please use wiki's range ratings.

Didn't know there were specific wiki ratings, since it¨s my first time touching something that is not abilities...