Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken (Light Novel) Some Changes

[CodeCCLL]

Proposals

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Spritual Lifeform Physiology

Passive Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; The power and existence of spirits are rooted back to the core which is the fundamentals of the world that govern every aspect of reality, interaction with their purest form can cause one to alter the laws of the world such as magic rooted from spirits of fire can cause one to burn oxygen and produce carbon dioxide and the law of each of its conflicting relationships which brings order to the world)

This is basically a part of the justification we use for the abstract existence type 1, spirits do not manipulate something, spirits are manipulated. Therefore, this should be removed.

Accelerated Development, Reactive Evolution, Supernatural Willpower & Empowerment (Look at the page)

These are general abilities not specific to Spiritual Lifeform physiology. This page should only include applications specific to Spiritual Lifeforms. Therefore, should be removed.

Ultimate Skills

Spiritual Lifeform Physiology (An Ultimate Skill user has comparable will power to Spiritual Lifeforms and they are also Spiritual Lifeforms themselves. Spiritual Lifeforms will power was said to outclass anything and has stronger will power)

If a character has Ultimate Skill level willpower, they also have Spiritual Lifeform level willpower, but being an Ultimate Skill user does not give you Spiritual Lifeform physiology, determinant factor is the "willpower". So listing Spiritual Lifeform physiology as if it were an Ultimate Skill ability doesn't seem right to me. Therefore, this should be removed.

Rimuru Tempest (Light Novel)

Abstract Existence (Type 1; Law & Concept [Type 1]), Regeneration (Low-Godly) & Resurrection (Mid-Godly; Rimuru can transform into a spirit like Ifrit, casting away his physical body)

This should be changed to "Selectable Spiritual Lifeform Physiology".

Resistance to: Soul Manipulation (Unaffected by Hinata's Astral Bind)

(精神を切り刻むデッド・エンド・レインボー、で死に至らな かった事で、『グラトニー』 が精神―つまり、意思を持たないと理 解したようだ。Seishin o kirikizamu Deddo Endo Reinbō, de shi ni itarana katta koto de, "Guratonī" bōshoku-sha” ga seishin ― tsumari, ishi o motanaito ri kai shita yōda.)
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The fact that Dead End Rainbow, which can cuts the spirit/soul, did not kill him seemingly implies that “Gluttony” has no spirit/soul - in order words, no will.

Since Gluttony does not have a soul, it should have "immunity" level resistance to soul manipulation.

Existence Erasure & Deconstruction (Micheal was defeated by Rimuru's attack, a secret move that could disintegrate and destroy the body of the target in an instant)

The crumbling was speeding up now. His body was falling apart, particles of light scattering from it.

"Well, I'm not alone, actually."

"...?"

"But you can take your time asking my partner about that."

With that, Rimuru broke off the conversation. His hand was pointed at Michael, and then:

"Consume all things... Azathoth, God of the Void!"

The ultimate, most powerful of skills bared its fangs for the first time in this world. And then Soul Glutton-its tranquil powers irresistible to anyone-swallowed everything in Michael's body.

~OTL: Volume 19, Chapter 4

Michael continued to be disintegrated until he was completely absorbed by Rimuru, but he was never erased. Therefore, existence erasure for this technique should be removed.

Shizue Izava (Light Novel)

Intelligence: Above Average (Shizue is a veteran adventurer considered as a Champion, being active for half a century. She is trained by the Hero and was her companion for some time. Shizue is also a capable teacher, being able to control and endear the unruly S Class students of the Freedom Academy)

In addition to what's mentioned in the profile:

At that moment, Kuro materialized sharp, formidable claws on both of his hands. These were his favored weapons, known as Scissor Claws. Although Kuro could easily secure victory using magic, he chose instead to engage in close combat with his weapon.

“Kufufufu, I shall indulge you for a little while.”

“Don’t underestimate me!”

As the battle’s intensity grew, the onlookers could only watch in stunned silence.

“A-amazing…”

“S-so this is the pinnacle…the strength of a champion reigning at the top of adventurers…”

“Incredible. I guess the title Conqueror of Flames isn’t just for show—”

Praises for Shizu echoed around her. With her flashy, fire-based attacks, it appeared to the onlookers that Shizu had the upper hand.

“Shizu-san…”

However, the reality was different from what it seemed. Some, like Cougar, realized this. Despite what appeared to be a physical disadvantage, it was Kuro who held the upper hand. Kuro’s vast combat experience was so extensive that even with all of Shizu’s abilities, she couldn’t fully grasp his depth.

~Slime Reader: Special Booklets 1-4

Considering she can keep up with the Primordial Black a little bit, that's why I think Shizue should be "at least Above Average, Gifted in combat".

Diablo (Light Novel)

Immortality Negation (Type 4; Diablo shattered Arch Demon Orthos' soul, preventing him from being resurrected, causing him to die permanently)

Regeneration (Low-Godly) & Resurrection (Mid-Godly, Overtime; Spiritual Lifeforms can regenerate from destruction of physical body as long as their energy is not depleted and their nucleic heart exists; however, even if their energy is depleted, they will die but will be revived elsewhere; energy is what makes up the soul, that which is crystallized energy given form; a core defines their fundamental information self in reality, their skills, as well as their conceptual self, if someone manage to destroy the core, it is true death for Spiritual Lifeforms as they cannot regenerate or resurrect anymore)

Demons are Spiritual Lifeforms so Diablo should has also Mid-Godly Resurrection Negation for this.

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Agree: @Reiner04 @FinePoint @Mr. Bambu
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[Neoxxi16]

Agree with all.

 

[Helestias]

Pretty straightforward, agree

 

[Shar122]

Looks good

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Ultimate Skills
If a character has Ultimate Skill level willpower, they also have Spiritual Lifeform level willpower, but being an Ultimate Skill user does not give you Spiritual Lifeform physiology, determinant factor is the "willpower". So listing Spiritual Lifeform physiology as if it were an Ultimate Skill ability doesn't seem right to me. Therefore, this should be removed.

I disagree with this part, since the Spiritual lifeform physiology is required to unlock an Ultimate skill. (Though, I wouldn't mind a rewording for the ability)

 

[CodeCCLL]

I disagree with this part, since the Spiritual lifeform physiology is required to unlock an Ultimate skill. (Though, I wouldn't mind a rewording for the ability)

This does not change the fact that Spiritual Lifeform physiology is not an Ultimate Skill ability, just a necessity.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

This does not change the fact that Spiritual Lifeform physiology is not an Ultimate Skill ability, just a necessity.

Yep, but I think it needs to be mentioned somewhere, so how about itgets moved to the introduction?

 

[CodeCCLL]

Yep, but I think it needs to be mentioned somewhere, so how about itgets moved to the introduction?

It can be added as a note.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

It can be added as a note.

That works

 

[Violatas]

Very straightforward. Agreed as well

 

[MetaChronos]

Agree as well.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

Op is fine

 

[AlexSamDen]

It can be added as a note.

Agree, with the addition of this

 

[Napoleonic01]

I agree as always

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Sorry I am late, I agree to the OP.

 

[Berga14]

Agree and agree with Dark_Soul suggestion.

 

[Shiraito983]

agree

 

[Community_Gamer]

Agreed. Although there's needs to be a note that you can't awaken an Ultimate Skill without have Spiritual Lifeform Phisiology.

 

[Reiner04]

It's not CM, its just abstract existence, everything else looks fine.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

It's not CM, its just abstract existence, everything else looks fine.

You do realize that part of the proposal is a debunk, right?

So, he is removing that from the profile, not proposing to add it.

 

[Reiner04]

You do realize that part of the proposal is a debunk, right?

So, he is removing that from the profile, not proposing to add it.

nvm then.
its all good

 

[Stellarrainy]

I Agree

 

[RitsuØ1]

Resurrection Negation sounds more like Immortality Negation Types 3, 4, & 8 imo. Everything else seems fine.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Resurrection Negation sounds more like Immortality Negation Types 3, 4, & 8 imo. Everything else seems fine.

Immortality type 3 is immortality through regeneration, and there is no proof that Orthos' regeneration is negated. If his soul is destroyed, he can't regenarete anymore (he has only low-godly regeneration) and he will die. Then he can resurrected after a period of time, but such as hundred years. Immortality Type 4 is already immortality through resurrection. Immortality Type 8 is that he is immortal as long as his magicules are used for regeneration and his core is not destroyed, so this is also irrelevant.

 

[Violatas]

Think we need like 1 more staff vote since this isn't exactly controversial to apply

 

[FinePoint]

I'm not knowledgeable on the verse but I don't see anything wrong with the logic.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Passive Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; The power and existence of spirits are rooted back to the core which is the fundamentals of the world that govern every aspect of reality, interaction with their purest form can cause one to alter the laws of the world such as magic rooted from spirits of fire can cause one to burn oxygen and produce carbon dioxide and the law of each of its conflicting relationships which brings order to the world)

This is basically a part of the justification we use for the abstract existence type 1, spirits do not manipulate something, spirits are manipulated. Therefore, this should be removed.

Yep.

Accelerated Development, Reactive Evolution, Supernatural Willpower & Empowerment (Look at the page)

These are general abilities not specific to Spiritual Lifeform physiology. This page should only include applications specific to Spiritual Lifeforms. Therefore, should be removed.

So the goal, then, is to move them to just being on the profiles? If so, fine by me.

Spiritual Lifeform Physiology (An Ultimate Skill user has comparable will power to Spiritual Lifeforms and they are also Spiritual Lifeforms themselves. Spiritual Lifeforms will power was said to outclass anything and has stronger will power)

If a character has Ultimate Skill level willpower, they also have Spiritual Lifeform level willpower, but being an Ultimate Skill user does not give you Spiritual Lifeform physiology, determinant factor is the "willpower". So listing Spiritual Lifeform physiology as if it were an Ultimate Skill ability doesn't seem right to me. Therefore, this should be removed.

I'm not sure I understand this one so I'd like clarification or elaboration on your argument about it being removed. The scans do seem to substantiate Ultimate Skill users having a high end level of willpower.

Rimuru Tempest (Light Novel)

Abstract Existence (Type 1; Law & Concept [Type 1]), Regeneration (Low-Godly) & Resurrection (Mid-Godly; Rimuru can transform into a spirit like Ifrit, casting away his physical body)

This should be changed to "Selectable Spiritual Lifeform Physiology".

Fair

Resistance to: Soul Manipulation (Unaffected by Hinata's Astral Bind)

(精神を切り刻むデッド・エンド・レインボー、で死に至らな かった事で、『グラトニー』 が精神―つまり、意思を持たないと理 解したようだ。Seishin o kirikizamu Deddo Endo Reinbō, de shi ni itarana katta koto de, "Guratonī" bōshoku-sha” ga seishin ― tsumari, ishi o motanaito ri kai shita yōda.)
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The fact that Dead End Rainbow, which can cuts the spirit/soul, did not kill him seemingly implies that “Gluttony” has no spirit/soul - in order words, no will.

Since Gluttony does not have a soul, it should have "immunity" level resistance to soul manipulation.

I seem to recall instances where a "soul" manipulator could affect something without a traditional soul, but it should be noted that the reason it is unaffected is due to lacking a soul, sure.

Existence Erasure & Deconstruction (Micheal was defeated by Rimuru's attack, a secret move that could disintegrate and destroy the body of the target in an instant)

The crumbling was speeding up now. His body was falling apart, particles of light scattering from it.

"Well, I'm not alone, actually."

"...?"

"But you can take your time asking my partner about that."

With that, Rimuru broke off the conversation. His hand was pointed at Michael, and then:

"Consume all things... Azathoth, God of the Void!"

The ultimate, most powerful of skills bared its fangs for the first time in this world. And then Soul Glutton-its tranquil powers irresistible to anyone-swallowed everything in Michael's body.

~OTL: Volume 19, Chapter 4

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Michael continued to be disintegrated until he was completely absorbed by Rimuru, but he was never erased. Therefore, existence erasure for this technique should be removed.

Agree.

Shizue Izava (Light Novel)

Intelligence: Above Average (Shizue is a veteran adventurer considered as a Champion, being active for half a century. She is trained by the Hero and was her companion for some time. Shizue is also a capable teacher, being able to control and endear the unruly S Class students of the Freedom Academy)

In addition to what's mentioned in the profile:

At that moment, Kuro materialized sharp, formidable claws on both of his hands. These were his favored weapons, known as Scissor Claws. Although Kuro could easily secure victory using magic, he chose instead to engage in close combat with his weapon.

“Kufufufu, I shall indulge you for a little while.”

“Don’t underestimate me!”

As the battle’s intensity grew, the onlookers could only watch in stunned silence.

“A-amazing…”

“S-so this is the pinnacle…the strength of a champion reigning at the top of adventurers…”

“Incredible. I guess the title Conqueror of Flames isn’t just for show—”

Praises for Shizu echoed around her. With her flashy, fire-based attacks, it appeared to the onlookers that Shizu had the upper hand.

“Shizu-san…”

However, the reality was different from what it seemed. Some, like Cougar, realized this. Despite what appeared to be a physical disadvantage, it was Kuro who held the upper hand. Kuro’s vast combat experience was so extensive that even with all of Shizu’s abilities, she couldn’t fully grasp his depth.

~Slime Reader: Special Booklets 1-4

Click to expand...

Considering she can keep up with the Primordial Black a little bit, that's why I think Shizue should be "at least Above Average, Gifted in combat".

Absolutely ******* loathe the "gifted in combat" thing in premise but it is standard practice for some users and isn't against policy, so sure, agree.

Diablo (Light Novel)

Immortality Negation (Type 4; Diablo shattered Arch Demon Orthos' soul, preventing him from being resurrected, causing him to die permanently)

Regeneration (Low-Godly) & Resurrection (Mid-Godly, Overtime; Spiritual Lifeforms can regenerate from destruction of physical body as long as their energy is not depleted and their nucleic heart exists; however, even if their energy is depleted, they will die but will be revived elsewhere; energy is what makes up the soul, that which is crystallized energy given form; a core defines their fundamental information self in reality, their skills, as well as their conceptual self, if someone manage to destroy the core, it is true death for Spiritual Lifeforms as they cannot regenerate or resurrect anymore)

Demons are Spiritual Lifeforms so Diablo should has also Mid-Godly Resurrection Negation for this.

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Eh. If a character is "alive" when they are regenerating, that situation might be different. I'm kind of okay just leaving it as Type 4 Negation, I prefer it.

 

[Mizuki67]

Pretty straightforward, agree

No kidding. I agree with all

 

[CodeCCLL]

So the goal, then, is to move them to just being on the profiles?

They are already exist on all profiles, but they also added them here unnecessarily.

I'm not sure I understand this one so I'd like clarification or elaboration on your

Willpower is a power system in the series. Ultimate Skills are the pinnacle of willpower, and Spiritual Lifeforms have a similarly very strong willpower. To gain a Ultimate Skill, which is the pinnacle of willpower, one must first have Spiritual Lifeform physiology. So basically Spiritual Lifeform physiology is just a stepping stone to having Ultimate Skill. Therefore, it is not correct to list Spiritual Lifeform physiology as an Ultimate Skill ability. Spiritual Lifeform physiology should be exist separately in profiles, and it is already that way.

Eh. If a character is "alive" when they are regenerating, that situation might be different. I'm kind of okay just leaving it as Type 4 Negation, I prefer it.

What do you mean by "regeneration"? Orthos, as an Archdemon only has low-godly regeneration, if his soul is destroyed he will die and will only be resurrected approximately hundred years later due to mid-godly resurrection. However, in this case, Diablo prevented his from resurrecting.

You probably thought that, Spiritual Lifeforms normally have low-godly regeneration and with mid-godly regeneration overtime. But this is mid-godly resurrection.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

They are already exist on all profiles, but they also added them here unnecessarily.

Willpower is a power system in the series. Ultimate Skills are the pinnacle of willpower, and Spiritual Lifeforms have a similarly very strong willpower. To gain a Ultimate Skill, which is the pinnacle of willpower, one must first have Spiritual Lifeform physiology. So basically Spiritual Lifeform physiology is just a stepping stone to having Ultimate Skill. Therefore, it is not correct to list Spiritual Lifeform physiology as an Ultimate Skill ability. Spiritual Lifeform physiology should be exist separately in profiles, and it is already that way.

What do you mean by "regeneration"? Orthos, as an Archdemon only has low-godly regeneration, if his soul is destroyed he will die and will only be resurrected approximately hundred years later due to mid-godly resurrection. However, in this case, Diablo prevented his from resurrecting.

You probably thought that, Spiritual Lifeforms normally have low-godly regeneration and with mid-godly regeneration overtime. But this is mid-godly resurrection.

Okay, so the first two are just clerical errors being fixed. I'm obviously fine with that, so I approve.

On the third one: on the wiki, we have a distinction between Regeneration, and Resurrection, that being whether the given entity is dead. In this instance, as you clarify, Orthos does not have Mid-Godly regeneration, he will die before he reaches that point, and so only has Low-Godly. However, when he is dead, he can then return to life eventually via Mid-Godly-equivalent Type 4 Immortality. My stance is that preventing this would not be equivalent to preventing Mid-Godly Regen- it should be kept as Immortality (Type 4) negation, even though they are still at the Mid-Godly level. If done on a character that, for whatever reason, Diablo is unable to kill, this isn't strictly evidence he'd be able to negate Mid-Godly regen- but if he did kill them, then they would be unable to return.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Demons are Spiritual Lifeforms so Diablo should has also Mid-Godly Resurrection Negation for this.

My stance is that preventing this would not be equivalent to preventing Mid-Godly Regen-

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It's possible I can't read.

Editing to say, I'm fine with it, but I do want Type 4 negation to stay on the profile, since that is strictly accurate.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Changes have been applied.

 

[FinePoint]

I will close this then.