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So there are a lot more things to give the verse, while the huge verse wide CRT is still in development hell

As certain new info and rethinking over them has changed several things, it has to be rewritten more, anyway lets get to this revision at hand


1) So the main final boss and villain for the arcade run of the 7th game and if you knew the story, she is dead for good in this series, since Heihachi killed her and the tiger, which is confirmed as well by Harada, along the fact that they are currently ghosts, hence why she is also part of the roster and the game itself backs it up


Since Kazuya says he cant believe what he sees, Heihachi is surprised, with sadness in his voice upon her presence and Akuma points out he wasnt expecting to see her again, Kazumi herself even looks up and says that she cant accept this fate, which given all else pointed its clear to be referring to her fated status as a ghost


So what does this mean then? Kazumi and her tiger gain Incorporeality due to their nature of being ghosts, while the entire cast should receive Non-Physical Interaction for being able to physically fight, hurt and touch her like normal, this in turn also makes characters with intangibility in their kit whom can phase through Kazumi be layered, including her very own, which in turn applies to other devil gene users


Since her phasing makes her untouchable unless possessing NPI of the same degree, which Kazuya proven to be the case in the special chapter of the story by landing a punch on Akuma Ashura Senku, which its accepted in the profile already, which Akuma uses to phase through individuals, including Kazumi, whom is a ghost as established already


2) The other thing would be a range buff to planetary, as she is seen calling down on a meteor to attack the characters with it, pretty clear cut and simple, obviously this will apply to other characters with the devil gene too for the telekinesis


3) Next thing to be talking about is Azazel ability to reduce people to ashes, as you can see from the kanjis, in particular those relevant being 灰燼, which according to a dictionary it means "ash, embers, complete destruction", along this one which means "capability, ability, proficiency, capacity, faculty", which goes well with Kazuya being able to pull something akin to that on Azazel himself, as his body was breaking apart afterwards, indicating that it is a power they have which does as presented as well, thus granting Deconstruction for them, as well as resistance to Mishimas due Lars and Jin, whom werent affected by this, given they are canonically the ones whom fought him in Tekken 6


4) Another matter would be additions to senses for devil gene users, in the profiles it is already accepted with these, so it just needs a bit of elaboration to them, such as stating in the profile that their Enhanced Senses should include Awareness, Smell, Vision (telescopic and emotion) and Extra Senses, its all in the link provided previously


The telescopic one we have Kazuya able to see a satellite in outer space from the ground and shoot it down accurately, even does it again a game later against several of them, Jin does a similar thing with satellites shooting beams down on him, he looks up and next scene is them blasting which he avoids when still on the ground till he flies in outer space, so yeah clear cut


They should also receive Extrasensory Perception, once again its all in the link provided from very start, with Power Reading as the ability and thats because its stated he can sense some real power around, there is support from Kazumi being able to sense Jin power, the devil gene, despite they didnt knew each other or met at all either


Akuma dialogue to Jin has him say he possesses the devil gene too, despite the two never met and didnt knew of his existence unlike Kazuya and Heihachi in the game, on top of that other characters like Leo and Leroy, are also able to sense how Jin had no desire for negative things that Kazuya does just by his "fists", along the "fists" telling them how he lost a power he once had respectively


It feels like the cast overall should possesses Extrasensory Perception for Power Reading, as others point out they can sense these sort of things, while in regards to Bryan Information Analysis in the profile feels like it should be Enhanced Senses for Vision (Neutral), given he is able to spot somebody invisible and fits way better with this one in comparison

Agree: KingTempest (staff) (except deconstruction and NPI), TurtleGod55, DarkDragonMedeus (staff) (for range and senses), Reiner04 (staff) (except deconstruction), Antvasima (staff) (same as Reiner), TWILIGHT-OP (staff) (same as Reiner), Random-Helper323 (staff) (same Reiner), Imaginym (staff),

Nierre (staff) neutral (on range, agrees on NPI and senses)


Disagree: Theglassman12 (staff) (except range and senses), Armorchompy (staff) (except range and senses)
 
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Is there any indication that Kazumi's canonically fighting these characters in Tekken 7? Unless we get any indication that they're all fighting Kazumi canonically in the story despite the fact her only appearance in the story is a flashback sequence where Heihachi killed her, I'm not really sold on giving everyone NPI from non canon versus fights.

Range and sensing is fine I guess, don't really see anything wrong with it.

Are we seriously pushing this deconstruction ability again? That kanji is not for ability, it's for power and strength. Also Kazuya doing that, do we have any indication this is a specific ability and not just the way Azazel dies in general? Last time I checked, a lot of Tekken 6 arcade endings have Azazel just explode into dust whenever he dies so that sounds less of an ability to Kazuya and more of just how he dies in general.
 
You really got nothing better to do then to always be against me? Its already tough enough overall I do this alone for a niche verse in vs community, then there is you all time to argue with me, ridiculing me and opposing me just cuz something isnt vibing with you strictly, then tag your friends to shut me off unfairly in a staff vs member situation....
Is there any indication that Kazumi's canonically fighting these characters in Tekken 7? Unless we get any indication that they're all fighting Kazumi canonically in the story despite the fact her only appearance in the story is a flashback sequence where Heihachi killed her, I'm not really sold on giving everyone NPI from non canon versus fights.
Killer Instinct and Darkstalkers cast has NPI for being able to fight beings with no physical body or spirit/ghost of certain characters....oh but if Tekken wants to have something similar, we all be damned for even attempting that....despite many other games in the genre not even fighting in canon that particular thing...
Are we seriously pushing this deconstruction ability again? That kanji is not for ability, it's for power and strength.
Its amazing how words can have multiple meanings, yet we stick to just one of them for ppersonal agenda...even your own link literally mentions the words presented by me

I am sick of your constant rebuttal that "lol he just physically attacks them" like you always do, deapite in the same phrases were it states he has fear hax as well, which just by his presence he pulls off, yet we go on to assume things as always
Also Kazuya doing that, do we have any indication this is a specific ability and not just the way Azazel dies in general? Last time I checked, a lot of Tekken 6 arcade endings have Azazel just explode into dust whenever he dies so that sounds less of an ability to Kazuya and more of just how he dies in general.
If you remotely cared to look at details and not call things off as similar...you would know that those arcade endings show him burst into pieces with scarabs or something of sorts....unlike what Kazuya did where parts of his body slowly become dust, yet you choose to be that like the meme with spotting a difference between two things, but claim they are identical....
 
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You really got nothing better to do then to always be against me? Its already tough enough overall I do this alone for a niche verse in vs community, then there is you all time to argue with me, ridiculing me and opposing me just cuz something isnt vibing with you strictly, then tag your friends to shut me off unfairly in a staff vs member situation....
BD, Relax.

I think it's fine. The intention to have Kazumi as a ghost in the end of the series, seems pretty blatant. I know our rules for arcades and stuff are strict but this seems to follow it. Like even lore is tied to it and from it so that's that.
 
@BlackDarkness679 Can you stop with assuming I'm somehow out to get you? I've not remotely commented on your past 4 Tekken threads, but me commenting on this one is somehow proof that I'm out for you specifically, sure, I'm always after you despite me not even debating you on tekken for the past half year now and I even said I agree with the other two points you're making.

Can you stop with the whataboutisms? KI and Darkstalkers are irrelevant here as we're talking about Tekken, not those franchises, can you prove Kasumi canonically fights them in the story or no? Because giving NPI to everyone for a character that doesn't show up in the current events of Tekken 7 makes me question the legitimacy of it.

So intimidating someone is somehow fear hax, got it. No further elaboration on how it's remotely fear hax and ignore how it literally says its appearance can scare people, because a giant ass demon showing up out of nowhere would scare any normal person. Plus no rebuttals to the part where I highlight that the Kanji is specifically talking about Power and Strength? Nothing to do with technique or ability that has nothing to do with deconstruction? If this is the most you're going to argue for deconstruction then count me as disagreeing with the ability.
 
I just saw @Theglassman12 message and I missed that kanji

力 (Chikara) does refer to strength and such. I know that personally cause I did a study on it. So if that's the basis than no, but I'm ignorant, I need explanations for the rest
 
That is the main argument for deconstruction that Azazel has the "power" to reduce people to ashes. In one of the older CRTs where BlackDarkness pushed for this ability, he pulled an alternate translation on burning people to ashes which makes deconstruction even more questionable.
 
mmmmm, that's a problem (for me) then. 力 doesn't refer to things like "abilities" or "powers", it's literally like capability, strength, might, shit like that. specifically referring to power as in the strength able to do something, not like the special technique to do something
 
@BlackDarkness679 Can you stop with assuming I'm somehow out to get you? I've not remotely commented on your past 4 Tekken threads
Just cuz you didnt lay eyes to the past ones done before this particular, doesnt excuse how overall you were always present and always against anything I proposed despite in many of these others were fine about it

I seen your opinion on me and the verse from Agnaa 1 year ago in discord "jesus christ wtf is happening with tekken pages", a quote of yours from screenshot, I have all the reason in the world to assume you have something against the series and me
but me commenting on this one is somehow proof that I'm out for you specifically, sure, I'm always after you despite me not even debating you on tekken for the past half year now and I even said I agree with the other two points you're making.
Wow...for once you agree on something thats simple and to the point, I should clearly erase all the past instances you werent as a result...
Can you stop with the whataboutisms? KI and Darkstalkers are irrelevant here as we're talking about Tekken, not those franchises
No i will not, why they get a pass to have it, especially when they dont have much canon to elaborate on, but Tekken is called out for it? Either all get it or none does, this is double standards at its finest
So intimidating someone is somehow fear hax, got it. No further elaboration on how it's remotely fear hax and ignore how it literally says its appearance can scare people, because a giant ass demon showing up out of nowhere would scare any normal person
I aint even gonna dive into how horribly wrong you are as always and ignore whatever is presented to you, the profile has it all there with evidence its not a case of "oh big bad monster, scary looking"
Plus no rebuttals to the part where I highlight that the Kanji is specifically talking about Power and Strength? Nothing to do with technique or ability that has nothing to do with deconstruction? If this is the most you're going to argue for deconstruction then count me as disagreeing with the ability.
Once again you ignore something for a bias agenda, your link literally says the other meanings of the kanji as well, which I pointed out too, yet you dismiss it to just one of them only

Noun
2. capability; ability; proficiency; capacity; faculty
  • あなた
  • しゅうちゅう集中
  • する
  • ちから
  • うしな失って
  • しまった
You've lost the ability to concentrate.

Straight copied from there as its worded out, especially in the context of the phrase reffering to his presence having the power cause fear in them and reduce them to ashes and a visual showing of Kazuya performing it on him
How is this planetary? There's no indication that she took a rock from a planetary distance (or even outer space)
So a big rock on fire falling from the sky is somehow available on Earth now? As far as I am aware those come from space
力 (Chikara) does refer to strength and such. I know that personally cause I did a study on it. So if that's the basis than no, but I'm ignorant, I need explanations for the rest
I explained above towards him, would suggest imo not to trust glassman words, as he has no knowledge on the series at all and a clear bias too which I can prove it being as such
 
How is this planetary? There's no indication that she took a rock from a planetary distance (or even outer space)
at the beginning of the video we can see literal meteors falling out the sky and not to mention Characters like Jin, Kazuya, in Devil gene are capable of shooting lasers that can reach into space and also fight there as seen in Tekken 8 ending, So it’s not surprising that Kazumi is capable of such things in her form. and Heihachi even while sealed with lost memories, is capable of head butting a giant Meteor that was finna come crashing down at 17:00 and to add more this wasn’t even near Heihachi full power when he did this feat.


Also everyone relax. we’re all here for scaling purposes, there’s no need to bicker amongst ourselves. And Darkness you have to control your temper when debating against glass and I’m cool with the both of you so we shouldn’t be arguing and despite all this I agree with the thread thank you. 🙏
 
Only a Surface level Tekken fan, so all I have to say is that if other verses use similar justification's to decide the canonicity of a arcade mode for the purposes of profiles, it sets a pretty reasonable precedent, so if this couldn't be allowed, it might indirectly imply the same for other verses. Likewise, if someone simultaneously argued against this, but for the same exact thing for a different verse, it can come across as disingenuous and a double standard, unless there was proper evidence to indicate why the verses would be treated differently in that particular instance.
My point being that, unless there was a decent chunk of evidence against it, saying "Verses A, B, and C all use something very similar to dictate something being canon, so verse D should also be able to" is a valid argument for something like this, I think.
Best of luck with the CRT!
 
If only there were more people like you whom dont employ double standards as some do

Thanks for the words
 
@BlackDarkness679 Ah yes, I'm ignoring something for a bias agenda when I'm using a college approved website with learning japanese kanji that shows the base definition on what certain words mean to debunk your points. Good to know that's how you treat any form of disagreement. Also why are you ignoring the definitions on the right that is the base definition of what the kanji means?
 
@BlackDarkness679 Ah yes, I'm ignoring something for a bias agenda when I'm using a college approved website with learning japanese kanji that shows the base definition on what certain words mean to debunk your points. Good to know that's how you treat any form of disagreement. Also why are you ignoring the definitions on the right that is the base definition of what the kanji means?
1) Only you get these days this kind of disagreement from me, how about you drop this generalization on me as you always do on how I treat others, towards KT and a diff user I responded as you claim it?....no?...then zip it

2) You are notoriously known on this whole forum/fandom of this wiki to be incredibly ignorant, along lacking comprehension which other staff didnt shown at all when it comes to some subjects

As well as an exclusive one being that you have a clear bias on me and the series, pointed by the quote I pointed above from Agnaa showing a screenshot of your very words from like 1 year ago, which I got in my gallery too

Multiple users expressing about you being impossible to reason with, let alone how you always oppose me for this verse on a CRT when other stuff think otherwise from you

You even pulled a clear double standards on an ability that the cast should get for weak reasons against it, meanwhile two other verses getting it for less and guess who added these for them, a known staff among this niche genre

I have all the right to call you out being biased and just cuz you didnt show up on last ones and agreed on some stuff, I am not gonna pretend like now you are better, I dont even ask for your input, so why you even remotely go out of your way invite yourself here? You dont help in the slightest, you just stonewall

3) I will also keep calling you out for the fact you interpret the deconstruction thing on just your personal view ignoring anything told towards you

Your link you attempted poorly to debunk not only has the words in the OP present by me there too, but also shows like any word, in any language, has different meanings, you act like the kanji has just 1 singular meaning and act like the translated phrase it has it remotely fits for physicals to begin with

その姿は見る者を圧倒し、いかな存在とて灰燼と帰す力を有している。

Its appearance overwhelms those who see it, and it has the power to reduce any being to ashes.

Since you refuse to look up the imgur scan or read something, I will spell it out, chikara being tied to AP in this phrase is straight up stupid to claim, especially when the conjunction "and" is used, which for your info serves this purpose: " "And" is a coordinating conjunction used to connect words, phrases, clauses, or ideas that are similar, related, or added together."

Meaning the fear hax which is already accepted in the profiles since ancient times, along the deconstruction hax proposed, are tied together to being all from his mere aspect

Even if you exclude it for no reason at all, Kazuya shows this ability in Tekken 8 and Azazel by default gains it due to being the originator of any devil users power and its a clear cut showcase

And the translation was done by a former translator on this site years ago which anybody can look it up over there, so drop these claims of questionable translation as well

If you are just gonna hand wave my reply afterwards like always, dont be surprised later when I treat you a certain way, either you do a better job or you mind your business overall
 
Ngl Glassmans reply doesn't really seem malicious or biased at all to me. Those are pretty reasonable and standard problems. The difference between AP and deconstruction is a pretty common issue with possible decon abilities, and having actual in-universe evidence characters can fight each other is pretty common for a verse

I'm a very casual Tekken player but none of this seems like it comes from some need to go against you or the verse
 
Ngl Glassmans reply doesn't really seem malicious or biased at all to me. Those are pretty reasonable and standard problems. The difference between AP and deconstruction is a pretty common issue with possible decon abilities, and having actual in-universe evidence characters can fight each other is pretty common for a verse
And I will point out Killer Instinct and Darkstalkers have NPI for less evidence slapped on the cast on their profiles, so I wanna hear why Tekken isnt allowed the same for an explanation both in universe and outside it to have it, this is nothing but pure double standards

As for the deconstruction, if your only argument its that a kanji is strictly one meaning despite any word or symbol in language has multiple meanings, you go against the context and intent on a phrase
I'm a very casual Tekken player but none of this seems like it comes from some need to go against you or the verse
If you were present for each time we interacted on a thread for the verse, when only him specifically had an issue, you wouldnt at all defend him

And unlike what he claims being unfounded hate or slander, its something most people think on him too, that being he is a terrible staff, both for his own verses and others

And I will paste once again what I did above "I seen your opinion on me and the verse from Agnaa 1 year ago in discord "jesus christ wtf is happening with tekken pages", a quote of yours from screenshot", I have it in gallery as well saved, this in no capacity is someone who has nothing against the series or me who for the most part cared to update it
 
Darkness, I am going to give you an explicit warning that if you continue to engage in accusations against Glassman (or anyone else for that matter) you will be reported. You are turning the discussion toxic and acting very immature. If you believe Glassman has it out against you can submit an HR report though frankly you don't really have a leg to stand on.

Regarding the thread, deconstruction is obviously wrong and sense stuff is okay. If range isn't being put into question I don't have issues with it either.

I don't know if the arcade stuff should be treated as canon or not but there's kind of a bigger issue to me, is the ghost character ever treated as actually being intangible? Because her model looks material and nothing seems to hint she's the traditional, ethereal type of ghost if she's throwing hands as any other character would.
 
I don't know if the arcade stuff should be treated as canon or not but there's kind of a bigger issue to me, is the ghost character ever treated as actually being intangible? Because her model looks material and nothing seems to hint she's the traditional, ethereal type of ghost if she's throwing hands as any other character would.
This is a good point, i'm scouring the net and i see techniques that let you rush through ppl and phase like Ashura Senku and the devil phasing technique, but overall ghosts in a vacuum need to be proven to be intangible, and I don't think that (in tekken) it's treated that ghosts are really like... spirits. It comes off DBZ-ish, taking physical forms and such. I'm usually more lax on it but I often forget that it's a requirement on the wiki (albeit I don't often see many "ghost verses that are called ghost then run around like regular people), so sorry for hasty judgement regarding that.

The point about decon is a hard no for me still, sorry.

Everything else I agreed to earlier I hard stand on it. Those I'll stand on.
 
Darkness, I am going to give you an explicit warning that if you continue to engage in accusations against Glassman (or anyone else for that matter) you will be reported. You are turning the discussion toxic and acting very immature. If you believe Glassman has it out against you can submit an HR report though frankly you don't really have a leg to stand on.
I reported you for insulting comments in the past on me and you received a call out, you arent a saint, you are just as him, only lesser in comparison, all you know is threat me with reports whenever your pal comes over

How about he stops interacting with me instead of coming uninvited to threads, I dont care of his opinion and neither of yours on a matter, when you all just hand wave anything I say in disagreement all time unless others say its fine
Regarding the thread, deconstruction is obviously wrong
So in short you hand waved anything said on it for your personal opinion, typical of you
I don't know if the arcade stuff should be treated as canon or not but there's kind of a bigger issue to me, is the ghost character ever treated as actually being intangible? Because her model looks material and nothing seems to hint she's the traditional, ethereal type of ghost if she's throwing hands as any other character would.
So now we assume ghosts are interactable and tangible, because her 3D model is not looking ethereal enough, but Killer Instinct and Darkstalkers with similar claims or visuals in some cases are welcomed with open arms....and you wonder I "accuse" individuals for such double standards only for this series in question....
 
From my point of view about the deconstruction part

その姿は見る者を圧倒し、いかな存在とて灰燼と帰す力を有している。
The first text is talking about how whenever you gaze upon the figure, its presence overwhelms/overpowers you, more akin to having an innate superiority against someone

A sort of fear manipulation or something else can definitely work here...

The next text talks about possessing the strength/force to reduce anyone in existence to ash or completely destroy them

Unsure if that would be Deconstruction, would need more proof for that... The texts by itself however is about having the type of strength to fully destroy anyone completely or to ash, which doesn't have to be Deconstruction

simply just analyzing that specific translation 🙈. 力 does have very few instances of meaning "ability" depending on context tho especially compared with other letters like here: 実力, for example, but on it's own, it in general will be about force/potency
 
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NPI should be fine given interacting with souls as if they are physical beings grants it unless verse establishes souls as something tangible.

It should be noted that the ability to interact with souls and other non-corporeal entities directly as if they were physical objects is usually considered Non-Physical Interaction and does not grant the user the ability to manipulate them in other contexts.

I am not sure about deconstruction but I'd suggest to just get the text translated by our TL members or just seek their help rather than relying on interpretations that might be wrong, that said, from the arguements provided, i am iffy on deconstruction too.

Aside from Decon, everything is fine.
 
From my point of view about the deconstruction part


The first text is talking about how whenever you gaze upon the figure, its presence overwhelms/overpowers you, more akin to having an innate superiority against someone

A sort of fear manipulation or something else can definitely work here...

The next text talks about possessing the strength/force to reduce anyone in existence to ash or completely destroy them

Unsure if that would be Deconstruction, would need more proof for that... The texts by itself however is about having the type of strength to fully destroy anyone completely or to ash, which doesn't have to be Deconstruction

simply just analyzing that specific translation 🙈. 力 does have very few instances of meaning "ability" depending on context tho especially compared with other letters like here: 実力, for example, but on it's own, it in general will be about force/potency
I have a lil problem about this but I need time to come up with a reason.
 
I am not sure about deconstruction but I'd suggest to just get the text translated by our TL members or just seek their help rather than relying on interpretations that might be wrong, that said, from the arguements provided, i am iffy on deconstruction too.
I asked for a translation by qliphoth more then 5 years ago when he was active, I did ask him again ever since in private regarding deconstruction too, but dont have the convo anymore available, as far as I remember correctly he vouched for it as an ability
 
I am fine with Reiner's conclusions here. 🙏
 
I asked for a translation by qliphoth more then 5 years ago when he was active
The first text is talking about how whenever you gaze upon the figure, its presence overwhelms/overpowers you, more akin to having an innate superiority against someone

A sort of fear manipulation or something else can definitely work here...
Less go, I'm a pro jp translator now... (or maybe just a jp understander 🙈)
 
Everything looks good except the Deconstruction piece, just have the Translation helper verify it and you’re all set. NPI is fine too, Reiner already covered exactly what I was going to say.
 
Everything looks good except the Deconstruction piece, just have the Translation helper verify it and you’re all set. NPI is fine too, Reiner already covered exactly what I was going to say.
Can possibly deconstruction go in at least since our interpretation on why it’s not is unknown?
 
The deconstruction stuff isn't really viable. "Its appearance overwhelms anyone who sees it, and it has the power to reduce any being to ashes" - this is clearly just saying he's a really scary guy and strong enough to absolutely obliterate enemies, it's not really worded as though it's hax. Even without getting into translation minutiae the implication is pretty clear. Similarly while the way it's worded on the CRT implies Kazuya used a deconstruction power on Azazel it doesn't really come off like that in the scan itself, he just sort of breaks apart after being defeated. Kind of silly to say Kazuya bothered to fight the guy proper and use his insta-kill hax only for the finishing blow rather than just lead with it, too.
NPI should be fine given interacting with souls as if they are physical beings grants it unless verse establishes souls as something tangible.
The issue is that "ghosts" isn't quite the same as "souls", and there's plenty of verses where the former shouldn't be assumed to be intangible, undeath isn't something we have codified rules for given it's not a real thing IRL, at best common trends that fiction very well may choose to discard. You might assume they are by default but when they're visibly just looking exactly as corporeal as normal people and still fighting as if they were (I.E. jumping around subject to gravity and punching/throwing people) that's already a decent reason to think they're not incorporeal.
 
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The issue is that "ghosts" isn't quite the same as "souls", and there's plenty of verses where the former shouldn't be assumed to be intangible, undeath isn't something we have codified rules for given it's not a real thing IRL
Well as much as i know, 'ghosts' and 'souls' are simply two sides of the same coin, incorporeal entities that differ only in their attachment to the living world. I don't believe the mere usage of different word is enough to justify a distinction in their nature. These entities are shown throwing punches or fighting is not strong enough evidence against NPI given our standard says they can with NPI users. Tho i understand the contrary opinions and reasonings, but do not think they are enough to justify otherwise, if there was any canonical confirmation of them being corporal, then that had be different story.
 
Well as much as i know, 'ghosts' and 'souls' are simply two sides of the same coin, incorporeal entities that differ only in their attachment to the living world. I don't believe the mere usage of different word is enough to justify a distinction in their nature.
Souls are usually not shown to have a physical body. If they were then you also wouldn't necessarily assume they're intangible either, the distinction isn't the important part here, it's the portrayal. Neither souls nor ghosts are (provably) real things, their properties are up to the writer.
These entities are shown throwing punches or fighting is not strong enough evidence against NPI given our standard says they can with NPI users.
... Except there's no proof that they have NPI except they can interact with this one character, who has no actual intangibility showings.
Tho i understand the contrary opinions and reasonings, but do not think they are enough to justify otherwise, if there was any canonical confirmation of them being corporal, then that had be different story.
Burden of proof is on the claim they're incorporeal, not the other way around. It's normally really easy to assume so but this isn't one of those cases.
 
Neither souls nor ghosts are (provably) real things, their properties are up to the writer.
... Except there's no proof that they have NPI except they can interact with this one character, who has no actual intangibility showings.
Well they might not be real, they might not have any evidence of being incorporal, but its a standard/default assumption that these entities are incorporal and the one interacting with them will have NPI per our wiki, unless the evidence of contrary is brought forth.

It should be noted that the ability to interact with souls and other non-corporeal entities directly as if they were physical objects is usually considered Non-Physical Interaction

So even if it seems unbelievable (and i personally too disagree with many things on wiki and many ratings for many characters appears unbelievable to me), it is what it is.
 
Well they might not be real, they might not have any evidence of being incorporal, but its a standard/default assumption that these entities are incorporal and the one interacting with them will have NPI per our wiki, unless the evidence of contrary is brought forth.
I would say a character looking and acting as though they are a normal person with absolutely zero hints that they have the ability to phase or be intangible and every circumstantial piece of evidence for 100% of their screentime against is a pretty strong argument already.

But what the standard is saying is very different from your claim of "Ghosts must necessarily be assumed to be incorporeal unless directly shown otherwise." I will also push back on the idea that a ghost is to be treated identically to a soul, a ghost is a taking form in the way that a soul doesn't (think about ghosts often being depicted as visible vs souls almost never being that), that form is typically ethereal but it's still there - and in this case it's clearly physical.
 
Lidia and Heihachi fight literal shadow/darkness versions of Devil Kazuya and T7 Heihachi in their respective battles, supporting NPI further for the cast





Asking for Kazumi to have a distinct 3D model to signify her as a ghost is ridiculous, she is canonically dead and her only reason being part of the roster is due to being a ghost according to Harada, which characters whom known her point out how its unbelievable or didnt expect to see her again, let alone if she was physical in nature, if the player beats her, she should lie down normally, instead she disappears as a bunch of light particles



There is no written standard on intangibility or incorporeality pages to suggest they need to show something for their nature, former says on Immaterial type that ghosts or characters existing as just souls being examples, latter says incorporeal beings can appear in many different forms by their choice and they dont have a defined form

Killer Instinct has NPI across the entire cast just because they can interact with Jago ghost, Darkstalkers has NPI across the entire cast for characters like Bishamon, a samurai in armor which is said to be made of souls, yet gravity and whatever other reasons presented here applies all the same to others
 
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