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TBATE Discussion Thread

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So after this CRT, they would be only the god tiers (Kezess, Arthur and Agrona).

Btw, i'm planning to try to scale Fate Key of Arthur at least uni+ to possibly Low Outerversal (i have some arguments)

Entropy should be scaled at least uni+ Low 2C because it's the full destruction of the whole physical realm, it should include the timeline within because Entropy is the removal from Aether influence in reality (a shift from order to disorder, there are few statements in TBATE that tell this). Since Aether is likely the essence of Time, Space and Existence, it should include at least these 3 branches (No Fate). Now the cosmology is likely 2C with an unknown number of unverses (exist in different realms as the Ki realms) these universes work under differents power systems as Ki or Mana, but the fact that there are existing under the influence of Space, Time and Life allow us to induce that the full range of Aether is in reality the whole physical cosmology (Meaning we can upscale Entropy to 2C)

Only 3 character should scale to Entropy : Fate (because it can block it + the whole narrative about his power being above Aether scope); Djinns (Seems to be being from an higher world that bringed the knowlede of Aether inside the Mana realm, but it's likely an assumption to claim they should scale on Entropy) and Kezess' ansestror (the one that build Epheotus, he's also the creator of the Aether realm, Aether realm containing an almost infinite quantity of Aether + the amont of Aether that created the Entropy).

Also possibly Arthur AC4 when he destroyed his Aether core should scale partially to Entropy, if we assume Entropy scales 2C in high ball, this Key from Arthur should maybe scale 3A to Low 2C.

Now, Arthur got 2 Key where he can use Fate : 4th Keystone Arthur and End of Book 11 Arthur.
Fate by nature is something higher than what the other edict of Aether encompass (meaning the whole cosmology) -> Backup with Fate who could block the Entropy, manipulate timelines etc... so by using Fate, Arthur should be Uni+ Low 2C to Low multiversal 2C. It's not an outlier because Arthur when he use Fate is likely omnipotent (in TBATE ofc), no one was able to arm him, even a little (4th Keystone or during his first Fight against Agrona), Arthur used Fate power under limited circonstancums, it wasn't a permanent boost so even narratively it wasn't illogical. Also, Arthur's power with Fate is likely the peak of his power even including the Book 12 where he defeated Kezess and Agrona.

We can once again up the cosmology :
In this imgur I put the panels to backup the following conclusion :
  • Physical cosmology can reach in low ball Complex Multiversal 6D (5D of space + 1D of time)
  • Fate scales to the maximum potency of Physical Cosmology (upgrade to Complex Multiversal 6D)
  • Aether is the essence of the beginning and the end of space and time -> No principle of space and time outside Aether influence
  • The only moment where Aether don't apply on a Void that Arthur can't conceptualize (Chapter 518) -> without Aether = True Void
  • Aether could also define and shape every possible dimensions (quantitative principle) -> High Hyperversal+ H1B+ to Low Outerversal Low 1A
  • No character will scale on the full Potency of Aether exept : Fate; Arthur (Fate Key)

Conclusions :
  • Arthur (with Fate) could be upgrated Low 2C/2C, Possibly 1C (6D), up to High 1B+/Low 1A
  • Fate is at least 2C to Low 1A (same reasoning)
  • Entropy is likely Low 2C/2C
  • Arthur AC4 (peak) is possibly 3A, Low 2C, up to 2C (up to even higher, depends of the cosmology scaling)
  • Kezess Ancsestror should scale Low 2C, likely 2C
Note : Arthur AC4 when he was using it at his full potency showed feats above everyone in TBATE, so it's not really an outlier.
 
I fully intend to scale AC4 Arthur (in some capacity) to Uni+ via the Aether realm and potentially 2-B through Fate via this
“No, it is not necessary. It is natural. It is unavoidable. It is…not important.”
‘You’ve seen every future, every possible outcome?’ Regis asked, his mental projection turned directly to the aspect of Fate.
“Fate is every future, every possible outcome,” it answered calmly.
But that's like 2 threads from now
I don't know about Tier 1 stuff but you can propose it later
 
I fully intend to scale AC4 Arthur (in some capacity) to Uni+ via the Aether realm and potentially 2-B through Fate via this

But that's like 2 threads from now
I don't know about Tier 1 stuff but you can propose it later
I would think at least 2C because of 2 universe (Mana and Ki realm). Fate tier 2 is easily backup via Fate being in Time and in a extra dimensional space (stated to be outside 3D) and being in potency above all space and time structure in Tbate (so multiversal). Fate is obviously every future and possibilities because Fate is above what Aveum (Aspect of time) encompass, and Aveum is already stated to be infinite and boundless time (in this case even 2A is possible since it's stated to be infinite and boundless time).

With this scan :
  • "It sees across time and space the way we look across a room,’ Sylvie said, continuing with Regis’s thought.
-> I induce a clear superioty of Fate on space and time in term of potency
  • " I do not know what his end plans are aside from conquering Epheotus, but he has been investigating an element—an edict, higher than what aether encompasses, above that of time, space, and life."
    “Fate.”
-> This one is pretty explicit, allow us once again to scale Fate on the cosmo (the physical part at least).
  • “What is aether, really? What is Fate?”
    “Aether is everything before life and after death,” the aspect said. As it spoke, the golden threads wound around themselves and the doll-like figure grew. “Aether is both space and emptiness. It is endless and boundless time.

-> I talked about this panel before, i just put it.
  • "Through the woven threads, dimly glowing around me like the wrappings of an ancient mummified king, I saw it. The aspect of Fate, in and around me, bound to me, sitting just behind and above me—not in three-dimensional s.p.a.c.e, but in time and the pressed layers of the fabric of the universe that separated the physical world and the aetheric realm in which it was trapped."
-> My initial panel to scale tier 1, but even if for some-what reasons we cant, we can get a good tier 2 with it, Fate's range is at least tier 2.

So yea i think tier 2 is very consistent, we have a lot of way to do it.
 
 
WIP
Couple of things
  • Not sure about 2-C AP because I can't find anything that supports creation/destruction of the Ki universe. I'm seeing some things but nothing concrete standards wise at the moment
    • However, Fate would get 2-C range as its powers can extend that far
  • Looking into the possibility of 2-B Fate via that one statement I quoted above. Asking knowledgeable members for their opinions on it

So yeah, we'd almost definitely get tier 2
How high it'd be isn't sure as of now
 
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