Tatsuya Shiba vs Accelerator

[Raito_Utopia]

Accel in 7B version

Win by Death or when the other can't fight anymore

Round 1 : Speed is equalized

Round 2 : Speed is unequalized

Fight !


One of the most overpowered anime characters out there.

 

[GreatestSin]

tatsuyas instant spells work on accel: i go with tatsuya in both versions,

tatsuyas instant spells dont work:

R1: tatsuya takes it, tatsuyas only way to hurt accel is by producing enough energy to blow everything up to a point where accel and tatsuya will mostlikely die in the boom of a nuke-like explosion, that means at most it is a tie, but because tatsuya can regenerate by setting his previous body-data into reality he survives (not sure if he can do that actually from that much damage :/ )

R2: accel wins easily, while tatsuya could react to him he wont be able to do the same thing as in R1, afterall accel with HS+ could easily reach tatsuya before the later discovers that direct spells dont work and begins bombing the surroundings, the moment accel came close enough he will simply kill him until he dies for good (yes, enough use of his reborn-power will cause him to die for real but as far as i know the number is unknown)

 

[DontTalk]

Well, first: Can tatsuya just use decomposition magic on accel?

Answer from the small bits I know of the novel is no.

Psions (the magic particles in mahouka, that are used to perform magic) are when magic is used assembled to a magic sequence and then affect the target.

This Psions don't travel through 3-D space and because of that usually don't care for obstracles or distance, but they still do travel to their target just that they do it through the information dimension.

So while usual barriers of most kinds are useless accels barrier is known to protect up to 11 dimensions, so the psions will simply be redirected before reaching him.

Given that I give both to accel. Tatsuyas maximum common damage output is City level to my knowledge, which isn't sufficient to bring down accel.

 

[Blahblah9755]

So his magic is based on particles? Then I agree with DontTalk.

Even if it's only Accelerator's 7B version, his vector shield is still continent level durability, so going by Tatsuya's page he shouldn't be able brute force his way past it.

That being said, can Accelerator actually kill Tatsuya? His regenerative ability seems like it's bodily reconstruction based on a template, not regular Regenerationn, and since it says that he's regenerated having parts of him vaporized, it's likely that it reconstructs him from atoms and molecules around him, not just bits of flesh. And since its automatic, controlling the electric currents in, or restructuring Tatsuya's brain probably won't work to stop it.

 

[DontTalk]

All magic, including Regenerationn magic, has to be processed by the magic calculation area within the brain even if done subconcious. If that part of the brain is destroyed he, to my knowledge, isn't able to regenerate. So damaging the electric currents in the brain or just outright blowing his brain apart would kill him to my knowledge. (how much or the type of damage done to other parts of his body wouldn't matter on the other hand, as far as I am aware)

 

[Blahblah9755]

Ah, okay, but he's listed as having high-mid Regenerationn, wouldn't that contradict the idea of him needing his brain for Regenerationn?

 

[DontTalk]

I don't now about Tatsuyas specific feats (I basically only have researched the series for vs purposes, not actually read it), so I can not tell if it is correct.

Also the Regenerationn page is actually not quite clear on wether High-Mid has to include the brain or not, it just says to regenerate from being blown into pieces.

Per his profile he did suvive rupture, which makes you explode from the inside which would match this description though not necessarily include the brain. I tried to find the scene in question in the novels to confirm the amount of damage, but no luck.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

DT is right, completely destroying his brain will kill him. You'd have to either destroy the whole thing or an specific part of it, though. Just damaging his brain won't work.

Anyway, i think this could go either way. Tatsumi can get past Accel's vector shield with Gram Demolition, but anything else gets redirected. On the other hand, Accel only needs to hit the right spot and he wins. I'll wait for more input before voting.

 

[Blahblah9755]

I see, thanks.

What about Gram Demolition would allow him to bypass the vector shield? The description makes it seem like an ability to destroy psions and anything connected to them, but Accelerator's ability isn't magic related.

 

[Raito_Utopia]

bump

 

[Makina_Yuki]

Actually I think this fight will be unfair for base accel due to tatsuya demon right. But after read DT explanation, I will go with accel in all round.

 

[JBennett]

the question here is whether or not Tatsuya's Decomposition would work on Accelorator's vector change. I would say he shouldn't be able to since he wouldn't be able to understand how AIM fields work since its created from ones Personal Reality rather then magic and Tatsuya's magic is different from Toaru's magic. As for Accelorator'c Vector change working on Tatsuya's magic, I would say yes but more on the vector's themselves and not the magic.

While this would give Tatsuya a dissavantage I wouldn't think so on two points. One Tatsuya's smart so he would be able to understand the pratical asspects of Accel's vector change so even if he wouldn't decomposit it he could probably work around it if given enough time. Two Tatsuya's Elimental Sight could probably read Accelorator's AIM field movments so he would be able to react to his attacks a head of time.

At this point it comes down to who is smarter and who can outplay their opponent first and quick enough, and I would have to give it to Accelorator. Considering the fact that and even the combine efforts of 20000 Induviduals through the Misaka Network is not even half of his calculation power.

The way I can see this battle ending is either Accelorator outsmarts Tatsuya or Tatsuya waits out the 30 minutes although Accelorator could win if he awakens. Personally my vote is for Accelorator through his inteligence adn sheer aplications through his Vector change though I can see Tatsuya winning.

 

[Lucafriz]

I'd cast my vote for Accelerator, due to reasons above. I beleive his barriers would be strong enough to protect him from decomposition magic. One wonders then, if other characters with interdimensional shielding would also likewise be able to defend themselves against decomposition magic.

All magic, including Regenerationn magic, has to be processed by the magic calculation area within the brain even if done subconcious. If that part of the brain is destroyed he, to my knowledge, isn't able to regenerate. So damaging the electric currents in the brain or just outright blowing his brain apart would kill him to my knowledge. (how much or the type of damage done to other parts of his body wouldn't matter on the other hand, as far as I am aware)

Apart from destroying the brain, which seems to be the example most people bring up on how to kill Tatsuya, it seems that you can also kill him by depleting his Psions, as mentioned here (https://anime.stackexchange.com/que...estruction-what-would-it-take-to-kill-tatsuya). Essentially, since his regrowth (what allows him to "revive") consumes Psions, constantly killing him over and over again until he runs out of Psions to use regrowth should kill him for good. The issue is of course, how to do so given his high Psion count. But as that website mentioned, dropping him into the sun should do the trick.

Alternatively, as the site mentions, if you have some sort of psychic ability, you can attack Tatsuya directly by changing the physiology of his MCA and blocking it from using regrowth, thus preventing him from reviving if he is killed.

 

[Xmark12]

Hope this is still going on...? Mm, anyways, I'm going with Accelerator via reasons above (specifically JBennett's reasoning).