Tanjiro Kamado vs Cinder Fall

[WeeklyBattles]

battle spirit gg?

From what was discussed, Tanjiro is starting out in selfless state so he doesn’t emit battle spirit in the first place

 

[Arkenis]

this lil dude don't get no down time, just battle after battle lmao

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

alr, what's cinder's wincons again?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

alr, what's cinder's wincons again?

Cinder having three layers of forcefields Tanjiro would have to get through before he can hurt her, Cinder having fought and beaten people with Analytical Prediction comparable to his in-canon, and if Cinder manages to grab Tanjiro its basically over, not just from the lifting strength but because her semblance would sort of just kill him outright (She can superheat any matter she touches and reduce a person to ash near-instantly. This heat is hot enough to burn people through their Aura barrier, which is able to withstand the heat of lava, lightning, and fire and lasers hot enough to flash-vaporize steel). She also has projectile arrows that carry the same properties as her semblance, which she can freely control in the air and even deconstruct and reconstruct at will if they are destroyed.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Cinder having three layers of forcefields Tanjiro would have to get through before he can hurt her, Cinder having fought and beaten people with Analytical Prediction comparable to his in-canon, and if Cinder manages to grab Tanjiro its basically over, not just from the lifting strength but because her semblance would sort of just kill him outright (She can superheat any matter she touches and reduce a person to ash near-instantly. This heat is hot enough to burn people through their Aura barrier, which is able to withstand the heat of lava, lightning, and fire and lasers hot enough to flash-vaporize steel). She also has projectile arrows that carry the same properties as her semblance, which she can freely control in the air and even deconstruct and reconstruct at will if they are destroyed.

Any counters against the STW Speed Amp? (Yes its a genuine speed amp and he goes into a different speed tier)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Gonna go with Cinder for now due to Tanjiro not having Battle Spirit in this mode but let's see how this goes

 

[Catbowtie]

this lil dude don't get no down time, just battle after battle lmao

And Castorice wants to spam more KNY matches. We don’t want anymore KNY matches

 

[Keeweed]

I need to clarify even if the elemental auras are shields (despite never being shown to actually block anything), a single clash of with someone just as strong dispersed them (and if you are being pedantic I mean the one clash they actually tried that also wasn’t better than them directly since neither did anything to each other, minus the Grimm arm from a stray shard lol) instantly. So she has two, but the other one she rarely if ever uses. So she for all intents and purposes has just aura. Which granted likely would be enough, I don’t know, skill with these two is pure slop so it’s whoever unga bunga bashes the other better.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I need to clarify even if the elemental auras are shields (despite never being shown to actually block anything), a single clash of with someone just as strong dispersed them (and if you are being pedantic I mean the one clash they actually tried that also wasn’t better than them directly since neither did anything to each other, minus the Grimm arm from a stray shard lol) instantly. So she has two, but the other one she rarely if ever uses. So she for all intents and purposes has just aura. Which granted likely would be enough, I don’t know, skill with these two is pure slop so it’s whoever unga bunga bashes the other better.

Tbf, Cinder is on par with Winter and Penny in terms of skill, who in turn are on par with if not more skilled than Pyrrha, who in turn is more skilled than velvet

 

[Keeweed]

I have issues with how you use velvet in the scaling chain because her power is copying people but that’s through power mimicry as the power straight up not as power mimicry through skill. Thus she has all the skills but that doesn’t mean she is that skilled through skill, she just has a copy of another person meaning they just are more skilled than who she was copying at the time.

However, as much as I don’t like cinder, I am leaning towards her anyways. It’s a person with a forcefied, more versatility, a chance to instant kill with flash freeze, versus a guy who can just hits stuff well. Cinder just looks much better on paper.

 

[Keeweed]

Like cinder is a goober with her abilities but if she ever decides to use ice once she just points at Tanjiro and he dies instantly and she has many many chances to decide to do so due to aura.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I have issues with how you use velvet in the scaling chain because her power is copying people but that’s through power mimicry as the power straight up not as power mimicry through skill. Thus she has all the skills but that doesn’t mean she is that skilled through skill, she just has a copy of another person meaning they just are more skilled than who she was copying at the time.

?

So wait now I'm confused, why is it considered skill for people like Taskmaster who copy stuff via a power but not Velvet? Especially when its explicitly stated in one of the novels that all her semblance does is copy fighting styles, but the application and combination of them in combat is entirely velvets doing.

However, as much as I don’t like cinder, I am leaning towards her anyways. It’s a person with a forcefied, more versatility, a chance to instant kill with flash freeze, versus a guy who can just hit stuff well. Cinder just looks much better on paper.

Raven is the one with the flash freeze, cinder flash-incinerates

 

[Keeweed]

Because taskmaster does it through skill, that causes a power. Velvet has the power literally copy it for her, she does none of the work and doesn’t retain the skill of others. She is purely a copy and paste of who she has copied for the time being.

 

[Keeweed]

Cinder frozen raven, is that really a full on different freeze? Classic Rwby if so. Not an instant death then, but something Tanjiro needs to look out for or die, which is more manageable for him

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Because taskmaster does it through skill, that causes a power. Velvet has the power literally copy it for her, she does none of the work and doesn’t retain the skill of others. She is purely a copy and paste of who she has copied for the time being.

No? Again, it's explicitly stated that Velvet does all of the work in regards to actually using the fighting styles, all her semblance does is let her copy the moves in her mind. And it's not just at the time being, she copies them permanently. In the same novel she was weaving a dozen different fighting styles together and it was directly stated that her semblance had nothing to do with her doing so.

I'll grab the scan for it when I get home

 

[Keeweed]

I look forward to the scan then to double check. If they changed how her semblance worked in the book I guess I won’t be surprised (though annoying so much random important stuff is buried in side material), but with something like this definitely want the scan.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I look forward to the scan then to double check. If they changed how her semblance worked in the book I guess I won’t be surprised (though annoying so much random important stuff is buried in side material), but with something like this definitely want the scan.

Yeah the novels have an annoying amount of plot and character relevant lore, and character relevant too. Like Yatsuhashi's semblance not only being memory erasure and being something he used multiple times against Mercury, but also being able to erase decades of memories to reduce a person to a vegetable. Or Neo's silence being borderline reality warping even before the evolution she underwent in the Ever After. Or Neptune being afraid of water and refusing to use his semblance because his semblance is water manipulation and he nearly drowned his brother with it when he first unlocked it. Or the fact that Spider is basically a shadow government level global criminal syndacite that is behind the events of almost everything that wasn't done by Salem herself, yet literally the only time anything has been seen for them in the show was the one bar fight scene between cinder and neo.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Like genuinely this is one of my biggest gripes with rwby, the fact that such major, plot spanning stuff like Spider is relegated to side content.

Spider has been the overarching antagonist of basically everything other than the show proper. Junior, the guy from the yellow trailer? Him and the Xiong family are a rival syndacite Spider is trying to either absorb or destroy. Melanie and Militia, the two girls also from the yellow trailer? Daughters of a high ranking Spider operative and two of the most skilled assassins on the planet. Spider controls and operates several schools across the planet that recruits/kidnaps young girls and trains them to be world class assassins and spies, which is where Neo spent the majority of her life training. Spider has been the primary antagonist of the Grimm Campaign, and a splinter group of spider called The Crown was the main antagonistic force in two of the three novels. Spider anonymously funded the extremists of the White Fang while also stoking Faunus animosity, and it's heavily implied that Jaques, weiss' father, was a member of Spider.

And NONE of this is brought up in the show. The most we see of Spider is the 5 minute bar fight scene.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Cinder frozen raven, is that really a full on different freeze? Classic Rwby if so. Not an instant death then, but something Tanjiro needs to look out for or die, which is more manageable for him

Slightly, Cinder's is a projectile and encases who it hits in ice, Raven just gestures at people and freezes them internally.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Like genuinely how do you write an antagonistic force with as much direct control over the events of the plot if not moreso than Salem and just not include anything relevant about them in the actual show?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I look forward to the scan then to double check. If they changed how her semblance worked in the book I guess I won’t be surprised (though annoying so much random important stuff is buried in side material), but with something like this definitely want the scan.

Sorry for the delay

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Plus on top of the velvet thing cinder scales to or above pyrrha's whole 'no one has ever so landed a single attack on her in her entire combat career' thing

 

[Keeweed]

Reading that, were does it clarify she doesn’t get the skill from her semblance or that it’s seamless. She combines moves but it says the semblance is what gives her those moves. Meaning it’s still not natural skill that is allowing her to copy them. It’s just using different copied moves and using them in different orders. Which is very different than the semblance gives her a move but she needs the skill to use it. It gives her the ability to use it she just needs to chose which ones to use like a fighting game. The fact her opponent beat her via brute force tactics is an innate sign the writers meant velvet isn’t as good as she appears rather than trying to say the opponent is somehow more skillful than everyone in the school.

Also Pyrrha cheated that was the entire point. She magnetically moved everyone’s weapons so they would miss. That is a very different skill hiding it than actual straight combat skill, it specifically means she actually lacks the skill to dodge and needs to fake it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Either way yeah, Cinder should take this

 

[Catbowtie]

Tanjiro blitzes with STW

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Tanjiro blitzes with STW

That was already brought up, it wouldn't help him enough when cinders barriers would just block him

Plus if he did blitz to the ppint of a W it wouldnt be able to be added as a slower character beating a faster character with a speed amp in a speed equalized ma4chup isn't allow3d

 

[Catbowtie]

k so Tanjiro has no win cons

 

[WeeklyBattles]

k so Tanjiro has no win cons

I mean, he does, if he plays the the long game he can potentially wear her down to the point of being able to take down her Aura, it's just more likely that Cinder manages to kill him before he can do that

The single hax that Cinder has requires her to physically touch her opponent or hit them with one of her arrows

 

[Catbowtie]

I mean, he does, if he plays the the long game he can potentially wear her down to the point of being able to take down her Aura, it's just more likely that Cinder manages to kill him before he can do that

I'm actually going to flip if I see this dumb*** "This character can win if they out-last!" argument again

 

[Keeweed]

How good are Tanjiro’s resistances to heat and cold? Because depending on the temperatures he can resist Cinder’s fire and ice.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

How good are Tanjiro’s resistances to heat and cold? Because depending on the temperatures he can resist Cinder’s fire and ice.

From what his profile says its just a generic 'resists fire and the cold', but if theres something more it would be good to know

Reposting for clarification but Cinder's fire can flash-vaporize steel and her semblance is even hotter

 

[Catbowtie]

Not good enough to not get insta-vaped