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I agree at the best I could probably see a possiblyAnything with this dimension needs more evidence
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I agree at the best I could probably see a possiblyAnything with this dimension needs more evidence
It really is a pity, but the good thing is that we know its size, it is described as a dimensional barrier, and in the novel there is a quote that the universe could not withstand such energy from both (so its structure has to be at least greater than low 2-C to support two Low-Multiversal ) and given the fact that it is a 4D level dimension, then it would have to have an infinite size at least, according to the size of the Universe.This dimension has no stated size, it has to be universal or else it’s just a minor space time manip feat, which is exactly why this feat wasn’t considered low 2-C by itself, let‘s not pretend this thread hasn’t been made before and rejected by multiple staff when attempting to upgrade manga DBS to Low 2-C ( before 2-C was ever a thing)
We have no reason to assume it is one of the dimensions that belong to a single macrocosm proper as we have hard statements spearating certain spacetimes from the rest of the universe, guides have both RoSAT and Sugoroku spaces exist independent of the macrocosm, DBS manga confirms this notion by having Freeza be unaffected by universe spanning wishes just because he was inside of a RoSAT at the time.
I'd like to throw this imgur album here.
Essentially it's a 4D structure.
.This dimension has no stated size, it has to be universal or else it’s just a minor space time manip feat, which is exactly why this feat wasn’t considered low 2-C by itself, let‘s not pretend this thread hasn’t been made before and rejected by multiple staff when attempting to upgrade manga DBS to Low 2-C ( before 2-C was ever a thing)
We have no reason to assume it is one of the dimensions that belong to a single macrocosm proper as we have hard statements spearating certain spacetimes from the rest of the universe, guides have both RoSAT and Sugoroku spaces exist independent of the macrocosm, DBS manga confirms this notion by having Freeza be unaffected by universe spanning wishes just because he was inside of a RoSAT at the time.
This makes sense, the universe couldn't withstand the gogeta and broly fight which was affecting multiple dimensions (according to the translation), but the cracked dimensional barrier could withstand that, that at the very least is low 2-C.It really is a pity, but the good thing is that we know its size, it is described as a dimensional barrier, and in the novel there is a quote that the universe could not withstand such energy from both (so its structure has to be at least greater than low 2-C to support two Low-Multiversal ) and given the fact that it is a 4D level dimension, then it would have to have an infinite size at least, according to the size of the Universe.
Yes, at least it must be that size to withstand such energy or if not bigger than thatThis makes sense, the universe couldn't withstand the gogeta and broly fight which was affecting multiple dimensions (according to the translation), but the cracked dimensional barrier could withstand that, that at the very least is low 2-C.
I have it here
Gogeta is
It's the combination of Goku and Vegeta that created the mightiest warriors to face the legendary Saiyan Broly, and as the battle progresses, the universe chooses them for a dimension beyond the light of space-time. Gogeta finally removes Broly. Vamp-like speed with the power of the Dragon Balls
No, for now I was just wanting to put this dimension as a 4th space-time to be further proven that the Universe of DB is 2-CThis is the direct translation?
Then yeah I think this dimension should definitely be considered it’s own separate space-time away from the regular DBS multiverse considering it not only is described as such but completely visually differs from all types of alternate dimensions or timelines we see in DB, like all the alternate future timelines.
Are there any other propositions for this CRT involving these statements?
Something to keep in mind is that this separate dimension should be superior to the macrocosm given the entire point of them ending up there was the macrocosm being unable to handle their energies and it's stated in the LN that Broly's aura alone was breaking down the dimensions there and I believe it was even stated that SSB Gogeta and FPSS Broly clashing collapsed it entirely.This is the direct translation?
Then yeah I think this dimension should definitely be considered it’s own separate space-time away from the regular DBS multiverse considering it not only is described as such but completely visually differs from all types of alternate dimensions or timelines we see in DB, like all the alternate future timelines.
Are there any other propositions for this CRT involving these statements?
Wait, doesn't Gogeta scale to 6 2-C?Something to keep in mind is that this separate dimension should be superior to the macrocosm given the entire point of them ending up there was the macrocosm being unable to handle their energies and it's stated in the LN that Broly's aura alone was breaking down the dimensions there and I believe it was even stated that SSB Gogeta and FPSS Broly clashing collapsed it entirely.
I would personally argue this should scale beyond 3 2-C, possibly being 4 2-C or greater but people have shot that down in saying that it could just be a greater degree of 3 2-C. Either way it should at least be considered superior to destroying the 3 2-C macrocosm.
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Wait, doesn't Gogeta scale to 6 2-C?
In the anime, yes. Not the manga. The anime gets 6 2-C starting with UIS Goku but the manga is 3 2-C besides Zeno.Wait, doesn't Gogeta scale to 6 2-C?
Medeus, I wanted you to comment here just a little bit more, about whether we can consider it as a new space-time and further justifying that the Universe is 2-C (without having to need other alternative timelines, I'm afraid of a downgrade, I'm hearing rumors that the universe will only be 3-A of DBS)Yeah no, we are not equating this to M-Theory, String Theory ect. And it is a massive stretch to assume "All timeline" were being effected. I am very positive that it is well below Zeno's most stated feat and destroying Universes 1-18 is like the "At Most" which was agreed to be the equivalent of 54 universes? And even then, I still think it's a bit of a stretch to assume the entire Brane Macrocosm as opposed to just Universe 7. I'd say it be on par with what we eventually decided to do with Toei Buu's Vice Shout, but I do think this might be consistent with the 2-C feats we already have perhaps.
rumors from who?Medeus, I wanted you to comment here just a little bit more, about whether we can consider it as a new space-time and further justifying that the Universe is 2-C (without having to need other alternative timelines, I'm afraid of a downgrade, I'm hearing rumors that the universe will only be 3-A of DBS)
Is it ever called a space time?Well, I'd assume the people in this interview would have had enough oversight to have an idea of what the dimension even is. So if they comment it's 'like an alternate dimension' then it shouldn't relate to String Theory or M-Theory.
Okay, so could we treat this as an additional spacetime for the U7 macrocosm then? When Broly goes full power it's even stated that dimensions (plural) were being destroyed by his aura alone.
It being called a space-time is irrelevant when it's a 4-D structure. The only problem is the size which is unknown.Is it ever called a space time?
Is it ever called a 4D structure?It being called a space-time is irrelevant when it's a 4-D structure. The only problem is the size which is unknown.
It's essentially called another dimension, superdimensional, hyperdimensional on multiple occasions.Is it ever called a 4D structure?
its another spacetimeIt's refers to the boundary between the dimensions and how they punched through dimensions
Scan for the last 2?It's essentially called another dimension, superdimensional, hyperdimensional on multiple occasions.
I'd like to throw this imgur album here.
Essentially it's a 4D structure.
I also found this, which mentions that this place is an extra dimension. It's from the anime comic of the broly movie.
Scan for the last 2?
Thank you so much bro you are simply the best!It is fine to say that the Universe is 2-C, don't worry too heavily. We already went over other details and fine with this being added measure in context.
Read the translation, Omega, they distorted space-time to enter such a dimension, it is separated by space-time.Is it ever called a space time?
They distorting space time to enter it does not make it one, it means that they distorted their space time and reached another dimension outside of their space timeRead the translation, Omega, they distorted space-time to enter such a dimension, it is separated by space-time.
What exactly do you mean by this?It is fine to say that the Universe is 2-C, don't worry too heavily. We already went over other details and fine with this being added measure in context.
2C DBS shouldn't be going anywhere and that the Gogeta vs Broly battle is good enough to be added as supporting evidence. Least that's how I interpreted it.What exactly do you mean by this?
prove thatThose are talking about the battle itself and not the dimension tbh
it means he agrees with it being a separate spacetime im pretty sureWhat exactly do you mean by this?
Clarificarion would be good i feel, but meh2C DBS shouldn't be going anywhere and that the Gogeta vs Broly battle is good enough to be added as supporting evidence. Least that's how I interpreted it.
The fact that it is saying "super dimensional battle" and "hyperdimensional battle"?prove that
He says that it serves as supporting evidence for what it is already accepted, but only 3 are accepted currently, thus that is confusingit means he agrees with it being a separate spacetime im pretty sure
I feel like this is all pretty solid, but agree to disagree.Clarificarion would be good i feel, but meh
The fact that it is saying "super dimensional battle" and "hyperdimensional battle"?
He says that it serves as supporting evidence for what it is already accepted, but only 3 are accepted currently, thus that is confusing
yes i know only 3 currently are accepted, but a good portion of this thread is trying to get it as a 4th spacetime, it would make dbs more consistent without alternate timelines, it just adds on to evidence. And darkdragon to my understanding is saying he agrees with this. But yes more feedback would be appreciatedClarificarion would be good i feel, but meh
The fact that it is saying "super dimensional battle" and "hyperdimensional battle"?
He says that it serves as supporting evidence for what it is already accepted, but only 3 are accepted currently, thus that is confusing
superdimensional can still mean its a separate timespace, didnt they literally break the fabric of time and space to get there? Like what else could it be lol, theres no other option rather than another spacetime thats in u7The fact that it is saying "super dimensional battle" and "hyperdimensional battle"?
If it's not a different spacetime, then why did they need to overcome space and time to get in there?They distorting space time to enter it does not make it one
They didn't have the DLC yet so they needed to fuse to unlock that part of the mapIf it's not a different spacetime, then why did they need to overcome space and time to get in there?