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Superman vs Ultron redux

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The original debate was from 2 years ago and it invovled how Superman one shots but he can't kill Ultron

But now, he can't one shot Ultron
 
1. Ultron actually has the AP advantage since he scales to 1 megafoe

2. Even if Superman was stronger, Ultron's High Regen says "lol nope"
 
Ultron puts Superman into a eternal coma using his sleep/paralysis inducement that's technically in his profile listed down their in his notable moves, but not in his abilities section because of poor management.
 
Before, I talk about the match, I noticed something wrong with Ultron's profile. Ultron can't do possession on his own. Him taking over Adam Warlock was due to the High Evolutionary.

As for the match, as far as AP and DURA go, there is no practical advantage. LordUrien has pointed this out and I've said this on a many a DC vs. Marvel thread: 1.6x is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

As for abilities, I don't know if Superman can actually put Ultron down. By that, I mean he doesn't really have anything in his arsenal to put a dent in him nor does he have any practical win options. Ultron is a machine with limitless stamina, he can't be knocked out or really incapciatated. I don't believe he has any crucial weakpoints in his body to exploit either.

Problem for Ultron: Supes can phase through all of Ultron's attack. Ultron doesn't have Non-physical interaction. Even his Encephalo-beam needs to make actually physical contact with his opponent. Iron Man tanked a blast of it from his armor. In addition, Superman effectively has infinite stamina himself. So yeah...Ultron can take virtually everything Superman can throw at him. Superman resists a lot of Ultron's stuff and can subvert his attacks but if he makes on mistake and gets hit with the Encephalo-beam he's done.

I kind of feel like this is a mismatch. I don't want to call it a stomp, because Ultron won't necessarily win easily but, unless I'm missing something, Ultron shrugg basically everything Superman does off and has legit way to win while all Superman can do is really just make things harder for Ultron to win.
 
Ultron has Type 6 immortality and High Regenerationn. There's literally nothing Superman can do. If Sentry vs Superman isn't considered fair, then this shouldn't be either.
 
Stalker Maggot said:
Then let's get the original Ultron vs Superman match removed
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Won't be happening any time soon. Admins are too busy to unlock profiles. Superman has a win and an incon that needs to be added but it hasn't been for some time now.
 
Match additions usually take longer than match removals due to the sheer number. This can still be removed fairly easy.
 
Well, last time the AP and Dura for Superman was so high, Ultron couldn't even damage Supes. But at the same time, Superman couldn't the regen. This time Ultron is at the AP advantage, making this a stomp in his favour.
 
Supes is actually stronger then this version of Ultron, not enough to where Ultron can't just outlast him.
 
PapiSavitar5025 said:
Doesn't Ultron have the 1 Megafoe AP Advantage over the 616 Kilofoe Supes?
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Based off our current scalings, he may actually be higher.

Red She-Hulk (Can fight with WB Hulk (whose around 1 Megafoe)) < She-Hulk (Stronger than Red She-Hulk) < AoU Drone (killed She-Hulk with a single blast)

So, Ultron's drones can easily kill someone who is around WB Hulk's level to some extent.This is further backed up by the fact that Ultron's drones also killed Red-Hulk and Ultron was comfirmed to have killed Thor and Hulk. Superman is not much stronger than Thor or Green Hulk and is not much weaker than a Megafoe.

If Ultron's drones can easily kill people who are basically around Superman's level, then it stands to reason that Ultron himself should be at least that strong, if not stronger.

So...yeah...Ultron more then likely hits above Supes' level to deal with.
 
Zark2099 said:
Well, last time the AP and Dura for Superman was so high, Ultron couldn't even damage Supes. But at the same time, Superman couldn't the regen. This time Ultron is at the AP advantage, making this a stomp in his favour.
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Should we remove the OG match then?
 
Ultron has more AP now? He wins then. The only reason he didn't win last time is that he gets one shot. Superman gets overwhelmed by the army of Ultrons he can bring out, if not then Ultron just keeps coming back with new bodies eventually wearing Superman's low regen down. In my opinion the OG match shouldn't be removed, as he can't kill Ultron, it fits as incon. This one, however, Ultron wins handily.
 
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