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Superman (2025) Movie Spoiler Discussion Thread

Like Superman can breathe in space
Breathing is very essential for this superman as we saw in the fight vs engineer, he couldn't breathe when nanites(whatever they are called) where is his lungs but he didn't immediately die from them. In my opinion, him being able to hold his breath for an hour is more consistent here.
 
Breathing is very essential for this superman as we saw in the fight vs engineer, he couldn't breathe when nanites(whatever they are called) where is his lungs but he didn't immediately die from them. In my opinion, him being able to hold his breath for an hour is more consistent here.
Being able to breathe in space doesn't mean you can't be suffocated or choked out👍
 
Yes but being suffocated or choked would mean oxygen cant get to your lungs which already isn't present in space.
Superman doesn't necessarily need oxygen to breathe in space, most versions can indeed breathe in space without the need for oxygen present but he can still be choked out or like drowned, this isn't an uncommon thing its in fact the most common depiction of kryptonian physiology

Like I get what you're saying but breathing space entails already its not oxygen that he necessity needs to breathe

So as I said previously having the ability to be choked out or forcefully suffocated isn't an anti-feat to being able to breathe in space
 
Does she get the Map and Backpack as standard equipment? Or would they be summons? 🤔
well yea!

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Superman doesn't necessarily need oxygen to breathe in space, most versions can indeed breathe in space without the need for oxygen present but he can still be choked out or like drowned, this isn't an uncommon thing its in fact the most common depiction of kryptonian physiology

Like I get what you're saying but breathing space entails already its not oxygen that he necessity needs to breathe

So as I said previously having the ability to be choked out or forcefully suffocated isn't an anti-feat to being able to breathe in space
Kinda worded this a bit wrong, this is non standard breathing not self sustainance.

Also Gunn does actually confirm I just found that this Superman can't actually breathe in space
 
I just realized looking back again that The Engineer totally just flew from Antartica back to Metropolis in the beginning of the movie since she appears landing on Luthercorps building in the real time shot of Ultraman returning through the portal and going through so she legit flew back in a few minutes top which is another MHS feat itself
 
Does Krypto do anything in the prequel novel?
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Nah he actually wasn't in the novel at all but he does have stuff from the tie in comic, great start outside of that though I'll say tackling Ultraman is a striking feat and shouldn't count towards LS however he does have good bite force which can be counted towards LS for crushing things but as far as traditional LS goes he doesn't do much outside of carrying Mr. Terrific, dragging Superman, and throwing around Luthor.

Also list it as Limited Space Survival, mention he can go into space unprotected but not without air. Gunn said Superman can't breathe in space. Also Non Standard breathing Type 2 for the upper atmosphere thing
 
Nah he actually wasn't in the novel at all but he does have stuff from the tie in comic, great start outside of that though I'll say tackling Ultraman is a striking feat and shouldn't count towards LS however he does have good bite force which can be counted towards LS for crushing things but as far as traditional LS goes he doesn't do much outside of carrying Mr. Terrific, dragging Superman, and throwing around Luthor.

Also list it as Limited Space Survival, mention he can go into space unprotected but not without air. Gunn said Superman can't breathe in space. Also Non Standard breathing Type 2 for the upper atmosphere thing
Changed his lifting strength to unknown and added the limited to space survival
 
How we feeling about self sustainance or space survival?

I think personally its fair game, obviously we have the statement that Superman can hold his breath for one hour but that doesn't necessarily work against the fact that he could still likely breathe in space the same as usual Superman versions are able to.

Like Superman can breathe in space but usually is not able to do so underwater (Sonic works the same way), I mean outside of this too mathwise I don't see him not having self sustainance because then he would die going from earth to the moon at the speeds we have him at consistently so far...

Krypto is also another can of worms since even worse than people dogs notoriously can not hold their breath for usually more than 10 seconds which just upscaling the same as Superman would mean he lowkey has even less time to breathe than him or we can be generous and give him an hour but still
I don't think he should have self sustenance because of the 1 hour statement. The fact he reached the moon in less than an hour can be used as a speed feat
 
Let me know if yall need to get shit for yall like clips or stuff from the prequel novel
yes pls

do u have anything notable from the prequel novel abt hawkgirl? like i know the stuff with metallo and the justice gang but idk if i might be missing anything

thats all and ty
 
yes pls

do u have anything notable from the prequel novel abt hawkgirl? like i know the stuff with metallo and the justice gang but idk if i might be missing anything

thats all and ty
Yeah its implied she has enhanced eyesight and of course she has kinda limited air manip with her wings being able to generate massive gust of wind, I'll send that and the statements used that should scale her to Metallo
 
yes pls

do u have anything notable from the prequel novel abt hawkgirl? like i know the stuff with metallo and the justice gang but idk if i might be missing anything

thats all and ty




This is really it for her most notable stuff

Updated this but still of course adding more and will include novel stuff, whoever is working on Mr. Terrific and Guy Gardner they have novel stuff as well
 
@FentyBeauty I'd say remove the kaiju stuff from intelligence since it was Mr. Terrific who told them to attack the Kaiju's eyes, I'll say instead I'd say just trade that for mentioning that the Justice Gang have to adapt to different situations to save lives on a regular basis

I'll do some calcs for justice gang specifc feats
 
Supes started the movie at 83% with magnified sunlight, so I'm sure a day+ of Metamorpho's kryptonite exposure had him under 10%, and his fake sun probably didn't even boost him to 50% considering Krypto carried him and he was surely losing strength since there's no sun.

Also, isn't Superman swimming in an antimatter river a passive durability feat?

And I'd have Supergirl as stronger IMO simply because she was at least a teenager on Krypton and had memories of home, which means she probably developed and/or utilized her abilities sooner and had actual Kryptonian training. Superman is 30 and only announced he was Superman at 27. So he only had a 3 year window of officially battling metahuman threats.
 
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Also, isn't Superman swimming in an antimatter river a passive durability feat?
Not just an anti-matter hax resistance feat, the raptors also were in the river

And I'd have Supergirl as stronger IMO simply because she was at least a teenager on Krypton and had memories of home, which means she probably developed and/or utilized her abilities sooner and had actual Kryptonian training. Superman is 30 and only announced he was Superman at 27. So he only had a 3 year window of officially battling metahuman threats.
Gunn said they are relative and implied Superman to be the stronger of the two since he's biggee than her
 
And I'd have Supergirl as stronger IMO simply because she was at least a teenager on Krypton and had memories of home, which means she probably developed and/or utilized her abilities sooner and had actual Kryptonian training.
They don’t have their abilities on Krypton though, Krypton doesn’t have a yellow sun. Also James Gunn said in an interview that Clark and Kara are on the same tier of power, but Clark is physically stronger and more skilled than her.
 
They don’t have their abilities on Krypton though, Krypton doesn’t have a yellow sun. Also James Gunn said in an interview that Clark and Kara are on the same tier of power, but Clark is physically stronger and more skilled than her.
I mean in terms of skill, like weapons, formal teachings, martial arts, etc. And based on her interactions, she's been to at least several planets (granted to get drunk). I give it to him for brute strength. But I'm not saying any of this for scaling purposes it's just what I believe until her movie comes out.

Not just an anti-matter hax resistance feat, the raptors also were in the river
If Lex can gain access to or create pocket universes and clone Superman I wouldn't put it past him to mod the suits up. But, said Raptors were also clapped by Mr. Terrific who has no known super-strength so idk how they were even a nuisance for Superman, even while drastically weakened. Also while you're here, besides the kaiju there's Supes lifting up the skyscraper to save the bridge lady.
 
But, said Raptors were also clapped by Mr. Terrific who has no known super-strength so idk how they were even a nuisance for Superman, even while drastically weakened
That just goes to show how much Superman was weakened tbh and it can't be a durability thing if they survive it too yet aren't even a threat to Mr. Terrific
Also while you're here, besides the kaiju there's Supes lifting up the skyscraper to save the bridge lady.
Yeah but that won't have as good a yield as the other Class M feats and Chariot is waiting for better quality footage to do one that should get low Class G
 
That just goes to show how much Superman was weakened tbh and it can't be a durability thing if they survive it too yet aren't even a threat to Mr. Terrific
Which by itself doesn't make sense to me because how can he be weak to kryptonite radiation yet have resistance to antimatter? Those things seem to cancel each other out when you look at how atoms work in physics.

Also, given Metamorpho healed Superman to a visibly normal condition compared to his cancer form, when you look at the feat where the sun was passively healing Superman's eyes from Ultraman's heat vision damage, we can visibly conclude the mini sun he made output at least more solar radiation than unmagnified sunlight (need to account for inverse square law and all that, of course).

....Which also raises the question of how the other people in the jail survived being bombarded by high concentration of radiation at lethal distances but the movie seems to ignore a lot of those little details.
 
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