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Super Mario General Discussion Thread.

I mean with that one plot point in Dream Team of needing to expand a dream world just so there's enough room for a single island I'm not even sure Antasma's Low 2-C rating from eating nightmares is 100% safe either but I'm still double checking dream stuff in that game.
Idk how this refers to the dream itself and not just the dream itself lack that many islands (Literally every single dream shown to countain a sky and stars and even the background implies distant objects).
 
He's rubbing his head from a headache, he's stunned.
...So... he was hurt.
His smallest attack
They also **** over and counter like all of his other attacks too lol
Sorry what's GPE
Gravitational Potential Energy.

AKA, the energy done from existing.
Wait doesn't he have teleportation by default? I mean, a case could be made that the writers forgot, but just in this situation, we should really assume he pulled out all the stops...
Just becuase a character has a hax does not mean they will use it. Sith in Star Wars legends can crush hearts, brains, etcetera, and 99% of the time just don't.
Huh, I could swear I remembered him doing similar movement at the start of the game...
Not across an entire ass ocean
Actually can we not do Reclusa stuff in the general discussion thread it's exhausting going in circles over this one midass character 😭
Nah, I want to!

Also, another thing proving that the Base Bros and their Bonds aren't that far apart, Reclusa is harmed the same way by both normal Bros and Bonds Bros... So unless we want tier 2 base bros(8 feats counting Reclusa BTW) then...
 
Idk how this refers to the dream itself and not just the dream itself lack that many islands (Literally every single dream shown to countain a sky and stars and even the background implies distant objects).
Can be the case but they do talk about expanding the dream world itself due to a lack of room rather than a lack of land, plus the island they create is even called it's own dream world so dream worlds can be 6-C in size. Also looking through the different dream realms and I'm 99% sure most of these don't have any stars, the dream world in the park at the start of the game doesn't seem to have any celestial bodies shown off at any point.
 
...So... he was hurt.
Yeah, I know, it's weird. The Japanese version calls him invincible, as well as the guidebook, but he can be stunned. Chalk it down to a loser boo-boo or game mechanics.
They also **** over and counter like all of his other attacks too lol
Not denying that, but said counters consistently show strain on the Bros. Some stagger them, and some completely disarm them, which I know you won't like to hear, but not even Dreamy Bowser could do that.

And it's not a matter of trying to disarm them, it's the fact that Reclusa is exerting so much force that he disarms them as a byproduct of the attack.
Gravitational Potential Energy.

AKA, the energy done from existing.
So like, that'd be a lot, you know? He is the Primal source of Glohm, a concept that exists across the Multiverse and has ended many worlds, AND created dream worlds. Yet, all of this disappears when he dies, and Glohm is erased so he can't reincarnate.
Just becuase a character has a hax does not mean they will use it. Sith in Star Wars legends can crush hearts, brains, etcetera, and 99% of the time just don't.
I am aware of this. That being said, I lampshaded this while suggesting that we should assume Bowser would TRY his best to avenge Jr.
Not across an entire ass ocean
Have Godzilla teach him the famous technique.
godzilla-flying.gif

Nah, I want to!

Also, another thing proving that the Base Bros and their Bonds aren't that far apart, Reclusa is harmed the same way by both normal Bros and Bonds Bros... So unless we want tier 2 base bros(8 feats counting Reclusa BTW) then...
Tier 2 base Bros? Satisfactory!
Seriously though, there are levels of Bond energy. Want to see concentrated Bond energy? Go to the end of the fight, the falling section.
 
Can be the case but they do talk about expanding the dream world itself due to a lack of room rather than a lack of land, plus the island they create is even called it's own dream world so dream worlds can be 6-C in size. Also looking through the different dream realms and I'm 99% sure most of these don't have any stars, the dream world in the park at the start of the game doesn't seem to have any celestial bodies shown off at any point.
But said Dream world DOES have Dream's Deep in it, which is a higher plane of existence...
 
Oh man I'm sorry if anything irl affected your mood 😔
Trust me a lot has and keeps doing it, but yeah there's a reason I've been a lot more pissy and fast to burn out.

But, like I said, it's not an excuse and I won't use it as one.
Yeah, I know, it's weird. The Japanese version calls him invincible, as well as the guidebook, but he can be stunned. Chalk it down to a loser boo-boo or game mechanics.
I chalk it up to being anti-feat to invulnerability or being invulnerable.
Not denying that, but said counters consistently show strain on the Bros. Some stagger them, and some completely disarm them, which I know you won't like to hear, but not even Dreamy Bowser could do that.
Which is still an anti-feat to Reclusa being a god-tier...
And it's not a matter of trying to disarm them, it's the fact that Reclusa is exerting so much force that he disarms them as a byproduct of the attack
Which is an anti-feat...
I am aware of this. That being said, I lampshaded this while suggesting that we should assume Bowser would TRY his best to avenge Jr.
Oh wow, PIS is a thing? Damn, that's impossible!
Have Godzilla teach him the famous technique.
godzilla-flying.gif


Tier 2 base Bros? Satisfactory!
Seriously though, there are levels of Bond energy. Want to see concentrated Bond energy? Go to the end of the fight, the falling section.
And still, a base Bros and Bonds bros there isn't much of a difference, and Bonds Bros can throw Weeping Reclusa's attacks back at him and hurt him.
 
CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT F*CKING RECLUSA ALREADY
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR LITERAL MONTHS AT THIS POINT
Like I'm fine with that honestly, I just eventually want him to get a finished profile and stuff...

You gotta understand that this is a character with an unfinished profile who was part of multiple unfinished discussions...
 
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Trust me a lot has and keeps doing it, but yeah there's a reason I've been a lot more pissy and fast to burn out.

But, like I said, it's not an excuse and I won't use it as one.
Hope things get better
I chalk it up to being anti-feat to invulnerability or being invulnerable.
I mean, in an RPG, HP shows health, and regardless of whether or not he rubs his head, he's not taking any actual damage...
Which is still an anti-feat to Reclusa being a god-tier...

Which is an anti-feat...
These are feats of Reclusa though, why would that act as an anti feat for him?
Oh wow, PIS is a thing? Damn, that's impossible!
Yeah.
And still, a base Bros and Bonds bros there isn't much of a difference, and Bonds Bros can throw Weeping Reclusa's attacks back at him and hurt him.
That's not true though, Bond Hammer attacks are the only thing shown to deal REAL, PERMANENT DAMAGE to him.

Don't believe me? Look what happens if you don't charge.
 
Can be the case but they do talk about expanding the dream world itself due to a lack of room rather than a lack of land, plus the island they create is even called it's own dream world so dream worlds can be 6-C in size. Also looking through the different dream realms and I'm 99% sure most of these don't have any stars, the dream world in the park at the start of the game doesn't seem to have any celestial bodies shown off at any point.
I mean, I get what you’re saying my friend, but there something I'm iffy about it. The dream world you're talking about is very clearly themed around islands and beaches because it’s a dream reflection of Driftwood Shore. So when they say they need to “expand the dream world” and what we literally see is more islands being created, that doesn’t automatically imply anything crazy and It’s a setting-based/land expansion like I feel that adding more islands is expanding that world in a practical sense. I don’t really see how “lack of room” is meaningfully different from “lack of land” here.Seadric created more land so they can have something to stand on to keep on traveling. It's like making a bridge to a place that is empty and building something there, you are only filling up that already existing space. In context, the problem is that there isn’t enough place for Peach to be hidden farther away. But how do you move someone farther into the background if there’s nothing for them to stand on? You can’t hide someone in empty sky. it shouldn't be island only when it has it's own sky (and each dream has its own flow of time but i think that's irrelevent), pretty much every dream world with a boss battle contains a space with stars, the ones that don't just don't have those big bosses. But the pattern is consistent and the moment Dreamy Luigi jumps high enough (as every dream world follows the same pattern with wacky envirements and abstract looking skies)
 
i'm tired, boss
Okay, look Armor. I want this to end as much as you do.
To expedite this, I think I've compiled a short list of all of your contentions with the scaling for Reclusa. I'd like you to verify that these are your issues:

  1. Reclusa doesn't scale to the Dream Worlds he creates/alters because he's generating them through the victims' minds, and not making the world's directly
  2. Reclusa "destroying worlds" can simply mean he's killing everyone in them, rather than destroying the universe itself
  3. If he's killing everyone, he uses hax rather than AP, so he doesn't scale to any potential god-tiers of worlds he attacked
  4. Weeping Core Reclusa disarming the Bros while Dreamy Bowser couldn't is a matter of whether the attacker was trying to disarm, rather than force

Again, tell me if I missed any, but I'd really appreciate it if you could tell me where you disagree --- I think these are the reasons.

I'll admit, I've been pretty disorganized with the threads, so I don't believe I answered any of these adequately.

But this would help me wrap it up by tackling the core of the debate --- as you said, you're bothered by me bringing up things you consider unrelated, so I'd like to adhere to that.
 
Okay, look Armor. I want this to end as much as you do.
To expedite this, I think I've compiled a short list of all of your contentions with the scaling for Reclusa. I'd like you to verify that these are your issues:

  1. Reclusa doesn't scale to the Dream Worlds he creates/alters because he's generating them through the victims' minds, and not making the world's directly
  2. Reclusa "destroying worlds" can simply mean he's killing everyone in them, rather than destroying the universe itself
  3. If he's killing everyone, he uses hax rather than AP, so he doesn't scale to any potential god-tiers of worlds he attacked
  4. Weeping Core Reclusa disarming the Bros while Dreamy Bowser couldn't is a matter of whether the attacker was trying to disarm, rather than force

Again, tell me if I missed any, but I'd really appreciate it if you could tell me where you disagree --- I think these are the reasons.

I'll admit, I've been pretty disorganized with the threads, so I don't believe I answered any of these adequately.

But this would help me wrap it up by tackling the core of the debate --- as you said, you're bothered by me bringing up things you consider unrelated, so I'd like to adhere to that.
Hmm, I might take a swing at this topic in another thread; I have a list of CRTs for different verses like Spawn, Hellboy, and the Mario Bros.

Maybe there's another way I can bring in a Tier 2 rating regarding Reclusa.
 
Why don't we just calc the energy yield of Conductor Connector?

Like, calculate how much energy is siphoned from the satellites using size comparison to Sprite Bulbs rather than how fast the cord moves or how hard it is to throw or whatever?
 
Okay, look Armor. I want this to end as much as you do.
To expedite this, I think I've compiled a short list of all of your contentions with the scaling for Reclusa. I'd like you to verify that these are your issues:

  1. Reclusa doesn't scale to the Dream Worlds he creates/alters because he's generating them through the victims' minds, and not making the world's directly
  2. Reclusa "destroying worlds" can simply mean he's killing everyone in them, rather than destroying the universe itself
  3. If he's killing everyone, he uses hax rather than AP, so he doesn't scale to any potential god-tiers of worlds he attacked
  4. Weeping Core Reclusa disarming the Bros while Dreamy Bowser couldn't is a matter of whether the attacker was trying to disarm, rather than force

Again, tell me if I missed any, but I'd really appreciate it if you could tell me where you disagree --- I think these are the reasons.

I'll admit, I've been pretty disorganized with the threads, so I don't believe I answered any of these adequately.

But this would help me wrap it up by tackling the core of the debate --- as you said, you're bothered by me bringing up things you consider unrelated, so I'd like to adhere to that.
YOU LITERALLY HAVE, FOR AN ENTIRE PAGE WORTH
RECLUSA.
 
By all means, if people think Mario is 1-A they can make a thread. I'm not even an expert on the topic so they don't even need to worry about me too much. I don't expect such a thread will ever be accepted, but they're welcome to try.
 
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