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Super Dimentio's Speed and Lifting Strength

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Hello, I'm new here. Before you get that already have this discussion, no.

Well, I was seeing the Speed System and characters themselves, and realized that characters like Time Eater have speed Immeasurable to survive the outside of time and space. So I think that if I prove that Super Dimentio can also survive outside of time and space, to its high speed and strength would be Immeasurable.

To prove that he may first have to prove dimensions refer to mathematical dimensions, and have evidence that during the game, for example, Flip , which is to switch from the 2D to the 3D space.

We also Merlon at the beginning of the game that mentioned dimensional technique , and was revealed that it was mathematical dimensions when Bestovius appeared and gave this technique to Mario.

Another evidence is the Dimentio referred to as the Master of Dimensions , and with able to use the same dimensional technique .

Nevertheless, the clearest evidence was early in the game when Merlon described the Void as a crack in the dimensional fabric of space, and a frame later, he says that in the end, would destroy all existence, all worlds and all dimensions.

I would have absolutely no logic he refer to dimensions as Universes and that a sentence before he referred to them as mathematics. According why there had already worlds representing the Universes and would not say if dimensions were not mathematical. Therefore, the void would destroy rather mathematical dimensions.

Super Dimentio intended to recreate the existence after destroying it , implying that it would be several to survive even after all dimensions destroyed, which would survive the next outside of time and space.

Super Dimentio deserves an upgrade in speed and lifting strength to Immeasurable.´╗┐

Just a question of mine that has nothing to do with the discussion, it was not shown anything at all level star in the game, why exactly base Dimentio is as Star Level? someone can answer me?
 
The major reason for the Star level feat is due to the playable cast being able to survive the destruction of Sammer's King, with Mario being able to survive Count Bleck's attacks in the beginning of the game, who destroyed his universe without the Chaos Heart. However, Dimentio was able to kill the cast effortlessly, where they ended up in Underwhere and Overthere, basically the SMB's version of hell and heaven respectively.(More like the Underworld from Greek mythology for the former)
 
Dimentio was quite obviously going to survive the destruction he was going to cause, which does seem rather similar to Time Eater's situation. I think his speed (and then Paper Mario with Pure Hearts through scaling) being Immeasurable wouldn't be too unreasonable. But we should see what others think.
 
Well, since Dimentio is 2-B, yes. He should also get immeasurable lifting strength.
 
Being 2-B doesn't mean immeasurable lifting strength.

Moving in a destroyed space-time continuum is simply infinite speed as it's derived from basic manipulation of a timeline.

I see no evidence stating that he moved anywhere.
 
Is it? I just looked at the Lifting Strength page and it said Low 2-C to High 1-B. Although it also said: "Beyond 3-Dimensional concepts of mass: 4D hypermass lifting level and above."
 
KuuIchigo said:
Is it? I just looked at the Lifting Strength page and it said Low 2-C to High 1-B. Although it also said: "Beyond 3-Dimensional concepts of mass: 4D hypermass lifting level and above."
Yes, some form of lifting must be involved, or moving. Alternatively the entity must be higher dimensional as our concept of mass would no longer apply. Where is any of these conditions met, OP?
 
TheMightyRegulator said:
Being 2-B doesn't mean immeasurable lifting strength.

Moving in a destroyed space-time continuum is simply infinite speed as it's derived from basic manipulation of a timeline.

I see no evidence stating that he moved anywhere.
Infinite? So why Time Eater has Immeasurable speed, and what he did was just that?
 
Kevyn Souza said:
If evidence is needed that would destroy it and survive will be the same.
It won't really. Existing in something is not equivalent to moving in something, nor should it be regarded as such.
 
TheMightyRegulator said:
It won't really. Existing in something is not equivalent to moving in something, nor should it be regarded as such.
I do not understand your point. If he intended to recreate should logically be out of time and space for this.
 
TheMightyRegulator said:
No, Multiverse recreation has nothing to do with the plane an entity exists on.
You seem not to have understood what I said. I did not say that recreate the Multiverse of him Immeasurable speed, I said that the fact that he was going to destroy and after that re-create implies that he would be able to exist even after all dimensions have been destroyed and are mathematical dimensions as I have shown. Not recreate the Multiverse, it is independent of time and space exist.
 
Existing after the destruction of all dimensions has nothing to do with the plane of existence an entity exists on. Him taking actions to recreate however, would still just be infinite speed, if even that. At this level of power it's downright expected that entities create and destroy with mere thought. There's no evidence that any movement was even required.
 
Exist after the time and space to be destroyed is rather the plane of existence, if not the Time Eater no would like Immeasurable. And it seems to me irrelevant, so much that was considered with other characters. You can see the Arceus is as Immeasurable only to exist outside of time and space, and the game does not say anything about it to move out of time and space, just exist. That did not stop his speed was immeasurable and do not see why that would prevent Super Dimentio.
 
Kevyn Souza said:
Exist after the time and space to be destroyed is rather the plane of existence,
The same plane of existence. Simply destroying the surrounding space-time doesn't mean the 4 th dimension he embodies is anything more significant than before.

If not the Time Eater no would like Immeasurable. And it seems to me irrelevant, so much that was considered with other characters. You can see the Arceus is as Immeasurable only to exist outside of time and space, and the game does not say anything about it to move out of time and space, just exist. That did not stop his speed was immeasurable and do not see why that would prevent Super Dimentio.

I already explained why the Time Eater is rated as immeasurable, stop trying to compare them as they have fundamentally different reasonings.

Dimentio, from what you've described, exists in destroyed space-time, not outside it. Arceus, who not only exists outside but transcends it relative to the plane of existence of the Universe, has no bearing here either nor is its ratings based on the game, though we could do so if we wished.


Movement is relevant here because again, existing in destroyed space-time =/= to existing outside it.
 
I don't see why "taking action in a timeless void then going back in time" would be greater speed than taking action in a timeless void and then creating entirely new space-times in the empty void. Also Dimentio being able to move within the void and create his new worlds kind of goes without saying.

Dimentio's body wasn't just going to be completely frozen without him being able to do anything but create and destroy universes by thinking, which even then, in all technically a thought requires some miniscule action in the body to occur. One's entire being cannot be in a frozen state of inaction yet still capable of processing thoughts.
 
Taking action isn't, but going back in erased time supposedly requires hypertime according to our consultant.

Fair enough, though I still don't see why this should be regarded as immeasurable instead of infinite speed.
 
Alright then. I would've thought creating entirely new timelines from nothing within erased time would've been more impressive than traveling into erased time. However I'm not that knowledgable of these things and trust Dark's judgement. I wouldn't have an issue with Infinite Speed then.
 
Paper Mario defeated Dimentio, so yes this upgrade would apply to him as well, if it's to be implemented.
 
The speed is uncertain. I have asked DarkLK about it.
 
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