Sun Wukong vs. Pennywise

[Jinsye]

The Monkey King vs. The Killer Clown

Both Omnipresent.

Type 5 Immortality restricted.

Buddha Sun Wukong (Low 2-C) vs. True Form Pennywise

Two Rounds:

Round 1: Inside the Deadlights

Round 2: Outside the Deadlights

Who wins?

Sun Wukong (Myth): 0

Pennywise: 2 (King, DMUA)

 

[Jinsye]

Bump

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

sunny guy by being a 2b, having reality warping and being menetaly higer being and pennys "beyond your comprehension insanity inducment probably not working"

 

[Jinsye]

sunny guy by being a 2b, having reality warping and being menetaly higer being and pennys (beind comprehension insanity inducment probably not working)

Should be obvious that y'know. We're using low 2-c.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

i went by sba, but the other points still stand

 

[ProspectX]

Can he actually kill him? Not sure.

 

[Jinsye]

i went by sba, but the other points still stand

Penny has reality warping too.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

he cannot kill, but can incapacitate.


to edward: wukong is actualy experienced fighting with it.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

and wouldent it go into hybernation eventualy?

 

[ProspectX]

Wukong seems to have more a powerful version of reality warping, probably.

 

[Jinsye]

Bump

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

pennys "beyond your comprehension insanity inducment probably not working"

So we're going to ignore the fact that It has other active forms of mind manipulation which it will probably use right away?

 

[Jinsye]

Bump

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

and which ones are the best that could work on a night-omniscient?

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Intelligence doesn't prevent mindhax from working.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

omniscience can counter many forms of it by simply making him know what is true and what isnt, so what does penny have?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

and the complexity of a mind DOES affect the mindhax effectiveness, which is why mentaly higher dimensional beings can lolnope lover dimensional mindhax

 

[Jinsye]

Yeah, but in this form is just he knows almost everything, he doesn't have a higher-d mind that Penny can't mindhax.

Nigh-Omniscience doesn't matter that much since it's in his own verse he knows almost everything. He probably wouldn't know about Pennywise. No prior knowledge,

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

what mind hax haspenny used to someone that knows everything about the universe with the exeption of a few handfull of beings? and yes, nigjht omniscient is a highjer dimensional mind

 

[Jinsye]

what mind hax haspenny used to someone that knows everything about the universe with the exeption of a few handfull of beings? and yes, nigjht omniscient is a highjer dimensional mind

Uhh.... no.

Nigh-Omniscience does not equal Higher Dimensional mind.

Nigh-Omniscience means that you are just really smart, you know almost everything.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

and knowing everything about the spacetime is not higher dimenaional?

 

[Jinsye]

and knowing everything about the spacetime is not higher dimenaional?

Penny's 4-D too.

His mindhax should still work unless you're someone like Bill who's insane enough that Pennywise's mindhax wouldn't work.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

first, nlf much? unly because his mindhax works on 3 d beings doesent mean it would here, or he would have mindhaxed maturin.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Nigh-omniscience alone =/= a higher-dimensional mind

Even if it did, It is the embodiment of a universal space-time continuum, and the natural enemy of a turtle whose mere bile can create a universal space-time continuum. Do you really think that Wukong's mind is somehow "too complex" for It to mess around with?

Hell, embodying/encompassing a parallel realm of that size (and its space-time) is already enough to make It 4-D, going by Fusion Zamasu. That alone should be enough to put such an argument to rest.

 

[Jinsye]

Penny also has other mindhax besides looking at it.

You saying would Wukong resist those?

Also King when are u gonna vote

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

unless he has shown to be able, im calling nlf. an0d understainding time space to an nightomniscient scale is higher dimensional mind


emboding something doesent changfe your abilities athax unlless its part of the mind. being 4d doesent mean you can mindhax a 4d. which is why maturin has noo mindhax resictence

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Penny also has other mindhax besides looking at it.
You saying would Wukong resist those?

Also King when are u gonna vote

has he shown affecting a 4d mind? if not then yes, he would

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

And as for the "or he would have mindhaxed Maturin" argument, that in and of itself is out of context. It's established early on in the series that Maturin doesn't do anything but watch and oversee events. He lent power to the Losers, but that was it. He never fought It at any point, not even once.

It went on with its routine of killing people and feeding off Earth because it didn't have anything stopping it from doing so. There was no reason for it to "mindhax Maturin" because Maturin wasn't an obstacle.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

and pennywise would just be alright with it whitout trying to stop him? and unless proven, its still an nlf

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

"NLF" implies someone is claiming It to not have limits. Which we aren't.

If anything, you're the one who the burden of proof falls on, not us. You're claiming Wukong can no-sell mindhax from a 4-D being...by being 4-D. That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

no, you are claiming that pennywise can mindhax a 4d with absolutly no proof.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

and nlf can be used to claims of an ability being able to do things that it has never shown.

claiming that sans can teletrasport between universes is an nlf, despite not claiming that sans can teletrasport everywhere

 

[DMB_1]

no, you are claiming that pennywise can mindhax a 4d with absolutly no proof.

Isn't Maturin, the turtle that sh*tted out the universe 4D?

 

[Jinsye]

But we're not saying Pennywise can mindhax everyone no matter what, people with good enough mind resistance should be able to deal with the mindhax.

We're saying that Pennywise can mindhax Sun Wukong because Wukong has no resistances to it besides the fact that he's 4 dimensional.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

and is still tiered low 2c and has has no resictences to mindhax, nor has it shown higher dimensional miond above 4d

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

no, you are claiming that pennywise can mindhax a 4d with absolutly no proof.

It is 4-D.
It has mindhax.

The Losers were still having trouble trying to defeat It in a mental battle after being amped by Maturin.

Meanwhile, you're the one claiming Wukong can nope mindhax from this being despite evidence generally pointing towards the contrary.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

and that is claiming that pennywise can mindhax a 4d whitout proof

 

[DMB_1]

and is still tiered low 2c and has has no resictences to mindhax, nor has it shown higher dimensional miond above 4d

Creating a Universe by having a stomach-ache might suggest that he's 4D.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

and is still tiered low 2c and has has no resictences to mindhax, nor has it shown higher dimensional miond above 4d

The fact that Maturin created a 4-D space-time continuum with one of his regular bodily functions should be abundant proof that he's 4-D.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

note the above 4d

someones raw power affects theire mindhax how again king? i fail to see it, especialy with lack of proof or statements. hes an eldrich monstrosity that can mindhax 3d beings, doesent mean that he can mindhax 4ds, much like how cthulhu cant


and please do tell me what he would do with mindhax