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Sun Wukong (Journey to the West) Vs. Yang Qi (Sage Monarch)

Some info:
His resistance layers were previously trillions for scaling above the psychic and PI scale but to Half-Annulled, the hierarchy means nothing and this match is his Annulled version who transcends Half-Annulled to the degree of existing in an inaccessible higher world which was unfortunately not accepted as High 1-C. ¯\◕‿↼

Anyways, he has passive fate, law, subjective reality, reality warping, powernull, deconstruction (possibly just AP), sense manipulation, chaos manipulation, paralysis and fear manipulation.

Sight based EE, Death manipulation, power modification, durability negation. Plus body, energy, soul, will, nascent divinity, etc, ignition.

Reality warping and fate manipulation through speaking. As well as his voice breaking laws, destroying voids, etc.

Not to mention his subjective reality, although this fight is happening on a neutral plane of existence, the fight is already taking place inside his subjective reality due it's sheer size.

Not to mention he can kill abstract beings without actually eliminating what they represent and he has immortality type 8 negation. Wouldn't really matter anyways since above the Great Sage level he was able to kill someone + anything connected to their existence in one shot.

Lastly some of his equipment:

Some of his equipment:

Spear has passive corruption, sense manipulation, perception manipulation, Paralysis inducement, soul destruction, fear & powernull for other equipment. It also has other abilities, since it's made out of the essence of all hells I'll add some time in the future, like the hell of nightmares that does dream manipulation. Anyways, If hit by it, it has absorption or the destruction of your entire being (body, sea of energy/consciousness, soul, will, nascent divinity, vital essence, etc)

His armour (technically robe now) has passive powernull and attack reflection.

His wings have deconstruction or EE against other wings. It also has darkness manipulation
 
Some info:
His resistance layers were previously trillions for scaling above the psychic and PI scale but to Half-Annulled, the hierarchy means nothing and this match is his Annulled version who transcends Half-Annulled to the degree of existing in an inaccessible higher world which was unfortunately not accepted as High 1-C. ¯\◕‿↼

Anyways, he has passive fate, law, subjective reality, reality warping, powernull, deconstruction (possibly just AP), sense manipulation, chaos manipulation, paralysis and fear manipulation.

Sight based EE, Death manipulation, power modification, durability negation. Plus body, energy, soul, will, nascent divinity, etc, ignition.

Reality warping and fate manipulation through speaking. As well as his voice breaking laws, destroying voids, etc.

Not to mention his subjective reality, although this fight is happening on a neutral plane of existence, the fight is already taking place inside his subjective reality due it's sheer size.

Not to mention he can kill abstract beings without actually eliminating what they represent and he has immortality type 8 negation. Wouldn't really matter anyways since above the Great Sage level he was able to kill someone + anything connected to their existence in one shot.

Lastly some of his equipment:

Some of his equipment:

Spear has passive corruption, sense manipulation, perception manipulation, Paralysis inducement, soul destruction, fear & powernull for other equipment. It also has other abilities, since it's made out of the essence of all hells I'll add some time in the future, like the hell of nightmares that does dream manipulation. Anyways, If hit by it, it has absorption or the destruction of your entire being (body, sea of energy/consciousness, soul, will, nascent divinity, vital essence, etc)

His armour (technically robe now) has passive powernull and attack reflection.

His wings have deconstruction or EE against other wings. It also has darkness manipulation
First and foremost all of a Buddha's Abilities & Resistances directly scale to their tier due to them using The Dharma as a source of all their Abilities, The Dharma itself is Boundless in size (Not Tier 0, Just Infinite 9D) and can't be Destroyed or Abolished. Also cause The Dharma can affect Acausal Type 5, Transduality Type 2, Abstract Existence Type 1 & Nonexistence Type 2 all of their other Abilities can as well.

So to start off with they pretty much have Omnidirectional Multilocation Subjective Reality, Conceptual Manipulation, Fate Manip, Holy Manip, High-Dimensional Manip, Transmutation, Void Manip, Sealing, Power Null, Morality Manip & Soul Manip at on an Infinite 9D Scale capable of affecting pretty much anything.

I have to mention that their Void Manipulation can turn practically anything into nothing and turn nothing into something.

So basically they can turn anything that has Form or that is of Emptiness/Voidness/Nonexistence, Mind, Age, Death, Suffering, Annihilation, Hindrance, Error & Delusion into nothing. They can also forcefully turn emptiness into form and then turn that into nothing as well.

They are Indestructible & Invulnerable, being outside of Destruction, Annihilation & Abolishment which goes for The Dharma as well, which gives them their Immortality Type 8. So basically you can't EE it or them.

They can also Purify and change the Morality of beings that are Nonexistent Spirits turning them basically into guardians for themselves. So summonings are a bad idea if their opponent has any they can naturally give off a light that stops any attempts to attack them.

Oh, and their seals negate your strength along with your power so that's basically it and through The Dharma, they can manipulate darkness.
 
First and foremost all of a Buddha's Abilities & Resistances directly scale to their tier due to them using The Dharma as a source of all their Abilities, The Dharma itself is Boundless in size (Not Tier 0, Just Infinite 9D) and can't be Destroyed or Abolished. Also cause The Dharma can affect Acausal Type 5, Transduality Type 2, Abstract Existence Type 1 & Nonexistence Type 2 all of their other Abilities can as well.
That would be AP within the tier, not actual resistance layers. Affecting infinite 9-D and all it's components doesn't grant that, or else Yang Qi would be the same for his second key having several infinities+ layers, let alone his third key you're using for this match.

An example of resistance layers:
  • Person A uses mind hax on person B
  • Person A then tries it on person C but finds that it does not work
  • Person A improves and tries it again person C and it works
That would be 1 layer.
I have to mention that their Void Manipulation can turn practically anything into nothing and turn nothing into something.
Turning nothingness into something else is something Yang Qi did in his first cultivation stage. He defied logic and melted the void into primal-chaos.
So basically they can turn anything that has Form or that is of Emptiness/Voidness/Nonexistence, Mind, Age, Death, Suffering, Annihilation, Hindrance, Error & Delusion into nothing. They can also forcefully turn emptiness into form and then turn that into nothing as well.
His third key is being used here, which is being Annulled; turning his already nonexistent state into further into nonexistence.

1. Voids (nothingness)
2. If existence is 1 and nonexistence is 0, this form is below 0 (Lifeless and Destructionless form)
3. If the duality of existence is 1 and nonexistence in all it's form is 0, this form is neither (nevasaññānāsaññāyatana Transduality type 2)
4. If existing outside the dualities of existence and nonexistence is 1 and existing in it 0, this form is neither (beyond nevasaññānāsaññāyatana)
5. The Annulled.
They are Indestructible & Invulnerable, being outside of Destruction, Annihilation & Abolishment which goes for The Dharma as well, which gives them their Immortality Type 8. So basically you can't EE it or them.
Yang Qi has immortality type 8 negation BTW.
They can also Purify and change the Morality of beings that are Nonexistent Spirits turning them basically into guardians for themselves. So summonings are a bad idea if their opponent has any they can naturally give off a light that stops any attempts to attack them.
Not sure why you mentioned this lol.
Oh, and their seals negate your strength along with your power so that's basically it and through The Dharma, they can manipulate darkness.
Oh, Yang Qi should have resistance to sealing (just forgot to add it). Basic sealing involves sealing someone's power, turning someone powerless. He's one of the only ones to develop it further by also sealing minds, souls, items, actual abilities.

Even without resistance, if it isn't passive, Yang Qi has a lot of options. For example absorbing whatever tries to affects him, erasing it out of existence, transferring it elsewhere, with a thought disappearing and leaving a clone or power double in his exact position to take his place in the one being sealed, etc...
 
Is it accepted as High 1C?

If yes, then Yang could probably still incap. I don't see anything on Wukongs page that could threaten Yang
 
Is it accepted as High 1C?

If yes, then Yang could probably still incap. I don't see anything on Wukongs page that could threaten Yang
Yes, but Wukong could just counter via using Subjective Reality by viewing yang qi and his powers and resistances as unreality.
 
That would be AP within the tier, not actual resistance layers. Affecting infinite 9-D and all it's components doesn't grant that, or else Yang Qi would be the same for his second key having several infinities+ layers, let alone his third key you're using for this match.

An example of resistance layers:
  • Person A uses mind hax on person B
  • Person A then tries it on person C but finds that it does not work
  • Person A improves and tries it again person C and it works
That would be 1 layer.
I understand the idea of Resistance Layers I was just letting you know the size of their area of effect.
His third key is being used here, which is being Annulled; turning his already nonexistent state into further into nonexistence.

1. Voids (nothingness)
2. If existence is 1 and nonexistence is 0, this form is below 0 (Lifeless and Destructionless form)
3. If the duality of existence is 1 and nonexistence in all it's form is 0, this form is neither (nevasaññānāsaññāyatana Transduality type 2)
4. If existing outside the dualities of existence and nonexistence is 1 and existing in it 0, this form is neither (beyond nevasaññānāsaññāyatana)
5. The Annulled.
1. Nonexistence
1. Transcendent Monks view Nonexistence as nothing & have the Transduality of being between Existence & Nonexistence.
2. Bodhisattvas view Transduality to that level as nothing, originating from nothingness, and have a higher degree of Transduality.
3. Buddha sees Nonexistence & Transduality even to that level as nothing, existing as nothingness lacking emptiness and having Transduality beyond any type before it.

So basically they reached the same point of higher nonexistence.
Yang Qi has immortality type 8 negation BTW.
How does it work?
 
Yes, but Wukong could just counter via using Subjective Reality by viewing yang qi and his powers and resistances as unreality.
How is someone passively paralyzed, powernulled, killed by primal-chaos, deconstructed, fear haxed, law haxed, corrupted, as well as all of Yang Qi's other passives...able to even counter? Also, the fight is happening inside Yang Qi's subjective reality...


I understand the idea of Resistance Layers I was just letting you know the size of their area of effect.
My bad for misinterpreting.
So basically they reached the same point of higher nonexistence.
Great. I was just showing how they can go further below nonexistence without dying.
How does it work?
Two ways.

First way:
  • They ignore whatever is connected to someone. For example, Yang Qi had smurf immortality type 8 due to hells and ordinary Grand Emperor could ignore this without they themselves actually being tier 2. Another example is how they can kill him without actually erasing all Yang (yin & yang) from existence, directly killing him and only him.
Second way:
  • Killing someone + anything connected to their existence at once. Around the Great Sage level, Yang Qi gained this ability against some arrogant young masters who were confident they would simply resurrect outside upon being killed by him. He killed them and their nascent divinities they hid in some void, dimension or secured behind seals in their sects, telling them he can kill them and anything connected to their existence. It should have been around the Demi-Immortal level when other cultivators gain this ability, although someone with terrifying will convergence just takes it to another level.
 
Two ways.

First way:
  • They ignore whatever is connected to someone. For example, Yang Qi had smurf immortality type 8 due to hells and ordinary Grand Emperor could ignore this without they themselves actually being tier 2. Another example is how they can kill him without actually erasing all Yang (yin & yang) from existence, directly killing him and only him.
Second way:
  • Killing someone + anything connected to their existence at once. Around the Great Sage level, Yang Qi gained this ability against some arrogant young masters who were confident they would simply resurrect outside upon being killed by him. He killed them and their nascent divinities they hid in some void, dimension or secured behind seals in their sects, telling them he can kill them and anything connected to their existence. It should have been around the Demi-Immortal level when other cultivators gain this ability, although someone with terrifying will convergence just takes it to another level.
The first way doesn't seem to work effectively.

The second way is far worse, he would need to destroy that said 11D Dharmakaya.
 
How is someone passively paralyzed, powernulled, killed by primal-chaos, deconstructed, fear haxed, law haxed, corrupted, as well as all of Yang Qi's other passives...able to even counter? Also, the fight is happening inside Yang Qi's subjective reality...
Because Sun Wukong is one with the Dharma, to paralyze him you would need to Paralyze the entirety of The Dharma.

This lets me bring up that at its core The Dharma is Information, so to manipulate it or destroy it you would need Information Manipulation. But The Dharma also can't be destroyed so...

Deconstruction, Chaos Hax, EE (Basically anything that involves destruction) & Fear Hax won't work as they can Bypass Mental Projections which include Fear and are outside of Destruction, Annihilation & Abolishment.

Also unless Yang Qi's Subjective Reality is Infinite in size on a 9D Scale then the fight is happening in Sun Wukong's Subjective Reality.

First way:
  • They ignore whatever is connected to someone. For example, Yang Qi had smurf immortality type 8 due to hells and ordinary Grand Emperor could ignore this without they themselves actually being tier 2. Another example is how they can kill him without actually erasing all Yang (yin & yang) from existence, directly killing him and only him.
Second way:
  • Killing someone + anything connected to their existence at once. Around the Great Sage level, Yang Qi gained this ability against some arrogant young masters who were confident they would simply resurrect outside upon being killed by him. He killed them and their nascent divinities they hid in some void, dimension or secured behind seals in their sects, telling them he can kill them and anything connected to their existence. It should have been around the Demi-Immortal level when other cultivators gain this ability, although someone with terrifying will convergence just takes it to another level.
Sun Wukong has Immortality Type 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8 & 9 so none of those methods are going to work unless they bypass all of that.
 
Because Sun Wukong is one with the Dharma, to paralyze him you would need to Paralyze the entirety of The Dharma.

This lets me bring up that at its core The Dharma is Information, so to manipulate it or destroy it you would need Information Manipulation. But The Dharma also can't be destroyed so...
Which is happening in this case. Also, interacting with information and creating realms out of it is Demi-Immortal level stuff.
Deconstruction, Chaos Hax, EE (Basically anything that involves destruction) & Fear Hax won't work as they can Bypass Mental Projections which include Fear and are outside of Destruction, Annihilation & Abolishment.
You chose his third key, transduality doesn't matter in this case.
Also unless Yang Qi's Subjective Reality is Infinite in size on a 9D Scale then the fight is happening in Sun Wukong's Subjective Reality.
The God World is infinite. The world that exists above it is his God Legion Paradise (his subjective reality).
Sun Wukong has Immortality Type 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8 & 9 so none of those methods are going to work unless they bypass all of that.
1, 2, & 3 don't matter. 3 especially since Yang Qi's negation and regen is above Sun Wukong.

Yang Qi has immortality type 4 negation. Type 5 is lower than Transduality type 2 so it's irrelevant in this case.

Type 8, nothing stops Yang Qi from killing Sun Wukong. The Dharmakaya can recreate him as much times as it wants, the end result is the same.

Type 9 doesn't matter in this case.
 
Which is happening in this case. Also, interacting with information and creating realms out of it is Demi-Immortal level stuff.
In what way, it's not listed on his profile.
The God World is infinite. The world that exists above it is his God Legion Paradise (his subjective reality).
Is the God World Ninth Dimensional? Remember we're talking about Higher Infinities here.

My answer to the other stuff depend on these answers btw.
 
In what way, it's not listed on his profile.
It's under data manipulation. Demi-Immortals created the world of mirages, MC could see the information that made up the world and interact with it + the data.

Is the God World Ninth Dimensional? Remember we're talking about Higher Infinities here.

My answer to the other stuff depend on these answers btw.
Yes tiering wise, but verse wise? No. The God World isn't the ninth dimension. The verse has higher dimensions at-least up-to the 8th dimension. The God World isn't the 9th dimension in the sequence, it's just that it's r>f transcendence grants it 9-D vsbattles tiering wise.

It was the ultimate world before Yang Qi transcended it.
 
Isn't information manipulation and data manipulation vastly different? One is manipulating reality while the other is manipulating a reality that is computer like.
 
They are different yes, but you may have missed the scan saying data and information. Whether I have data & information manipulation added now or later doesn't matter since he clearly has the NPI.
 
It's under data manipulation. Demi-Immortals created the world of mirages, MC could see the information that made up the world and interact with it + the data.
Oh, I see it thanks.
Yes tiering wise, but verse wise? No. The God World isn't the ninth dimension. The verse has higher dimensions at-least up-to the 8th dimension. The God World isn't the 9th dimension in the sequence, it's just that it's r>f transcendence grants it 9-D vsbattles tiering wise.

It was the ultimate world before Yang Qi transcended it.
Ok so their AE, Acausality, Transduality, and NEP all cancel one another out making them irrelevant.

Fate Manipulation (They exist beyond Fate and the Fate of those beyond Fate.)
Law & Reality Manip (They exist unbound from Reality.)
Power Modification, Null, Absorption & Data Manipulation (The Dharma does not change and can't be destroyed or erased.)
Durability Negation (Indestructible by nature, so no Durability to bypass.)
Body, Energy, Soul & Will Manip (Even without NEP their Body, Soul & Will would be unchanging like The Dharma. And they don't have Energy.)
Chaos Manip (They exist unbound from the Yin-Yang which created Chaos.)
Fear, Sense, Dream & Perception Manipulation (Can bypass Mental Projections which include all of these things.)
Death Manip (They are Deathless even without Transduality and can Nullify Death.)
Corruption (Can purify themselves of corruption.)
Paralysis (Can nullify Hindarances which would include Paralysis.)

Alright, so this is all without Transduality, AE, Acausality, or NEP considering they all cancel one another out.

This leaves Subjective Reality.
So his God Legion Paradise is Infinitely larger than the God World? Or is it simply above it physically?
 
If it isn't r>f transcendence and it isn't transduality, their resistance gets negated. For example the below counts for nothing without r>f transcendence, as his laws don't rely on whether you're in our outside reality or even if you predate it (his fodder self had pre-pre-universe laws).
Law & Reality Manip (They exist unbound from Reality.)
Another example is the below. This site doesn't have true immunity, it has resistance. Their unchanging nature doesn't mean much to resistance negation. Also, you've basically described the nature of resistance layers. Higher resistance layers means you can't be influenced/changed by that specific ability/abilities.
Power Modification, Null, Absorption & Data Manipulation (The Dharma does not change and can't be destroyed or erased.)
You've basically just listed resistances in your entire post. I'll address them below.
Durability Negation (Indestructible by nature, so no Durability to bypass.)
Durability negation is specifically for this type of situation lol.
Body, Energy, Soul & Will Manip (Even without NEP their Body, Soul & Will would be unchanging like The Dharma. And they don't have Energy.)
Again, resistance, which would be negated.
Chaos Manip (They exist unbound from the Yin-Yang which created Chaos.)
In the verse, chaos predated the dao and yin-yang. Nothing can escape the touch of primal chaos. Again, you've listed a resistance.
Fear, Sense, Dream & Perception Manipulation (Can bypass Mental Projections which include all of these things.)
Death Manip (They are Deathless even without Transduality and can Nullify Death.)
Corruption (Can purify themselves of corruption.)
Paralysis (Can nullify Hindarances which would include Paralysis.)
All these you've listed? Can't be negated. Yang Qi's resistances and resistance negation is above Sun Wukong in this match. He not only bypasses his resistances, Sun Wukong can't even negate his abilities. Not to mention most of those abilities is already GG material.

This leaves Subjective Reality.
So his God Legion Paradise is Infinitely larger than the God World? Or is it simply above it physically?
In size and in nature.
 
In size and in nature.
Why the hell isn't he 10D?
Another example is the below. This site doesn't have true immunity, it has resistance. Their unchanging nature doesn't mean much to resistance negation. Also, you've basically described the nature of resistance layers. Higher resistance layers means you can't be influenced/changed by that specific ability/abilities.
From what's stated here on the profile his Resistance Negation works on those who are weaker than himself. Am I reading that wrong?
 
Why the hell isn't he 10D?
Don't worry bro, it'll happen once I have things sorted. They take their transduality to the next level by also making reality on of the dualities to exist outside of to the point that Yang Qi said " it made reality like little more than a dream." Which is r>f and a Half-Annulled can go a layer above that and the Annulled exist above that, either a layer or complete hierarchical transcendence. To the point that people at the level of his second key and below cannot interact with his higher world and his world remained inaccessible and a legend in the hearts of the people for all eternity.
From what's stated here on the profile his Resistance Negation works on those who are weaker than himself. Am I reading that wrong?
It's also resistance negation for people of a similar level. By that I mean, for example, if 2 cultivators are Yin-Yang Transformation (Legendary cultivation level), yes they can affect each other but they also cancel each other out. For example if one of them tries to EE the other, it will work if one of them doesn't null it. Add a higher cultivator to the mix and the lower cultivator not only can't resist but they can't null it.

But there exists people like Yang Qi. People who's resistance and resistance negation is above their level. For example, if we use the Yin-Yang Transformation example above, Yang Qi at that level was equal to a Great Sage at the Born Again Step (an entire realm above).

At the Half-Annulled level, no Half-Annulled could compare to him.



Lastly:

Cultivation level =/= Just strength.

Cultivation level is strength + enlightenment + a change in your existence. Cultivators have access to methods to increase their strength and only complete imbeciles do so, as it won't increase your cultivation level. The only way to increase it is to contemplate the Dao, although later on, it's about becoming enlightened on the Annulled.
 
Alright, I'm about to admit a GG on this, Yang Qi is a whole smurf on the 9D plane.

It really comes down to does he have a way of destroying or changing Information that is unchangeable and cant be destroyed. If he does that's a GG if not this is going to turn into an incon.
 
Alright, I'm about to admit a GG on this, Yang Qi is a whole smurf on the 9D plane.

It really comes down to does he have a way of destroying or changing Information that is unchangeable and cant be destroyed. If he does that's a GG if not this is going to turn into an incon.
That describes the world of mirages for someone of Yang Qi's level at the time and yet, he absorbed and removed information as he pleased, even though information could only be transferred, not destroyed.

Also, Yang Qi is only 1-C for a bit until I can probably upgrade him and what you've described about Sun Wukong in this thread, actually earns him a spot in High 1-C's second spot, considering Mother Eater incon'd someone with law hax from Doctor Who.

Edit: In my previous post, I forgot to add that an aspect of a cultivator's existence can have a higher enlightenment level. MC for the longest time had a higher soul enlightenment than his body.
 
That describes the world of mirages for someone of Yang Qi's level at the time and yet, he absorbed and removed information as he pleased, even though information could only be transferred, not destroyed.
Alright then ya Sun Wukong gets incapped from dying and being recreated infinitely, Yang Qi is absolutely busted and probably going to need to read the novel now.
Also, Yang Qi is only 1-C for a bit until I can probably upgrade him and what you've described about Sun Wukong in this thread, actually earns him a spot in High 1-C's second spot, considering Mother Eater incon'd someone with law hax from Doctor Who.
Neat!
 
Alright then ya Sun Wukong gets incapped from dying and being recreated infinitely, Yang Qi is absolutely busted and probably going to need to read the novel now.
Believe it or not, Divine Dreamwalker's (author of Sage Monarch) novels are tame in comparison to Ergen novels which are busted.
 
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