Suggested edits to Ren Amamiya's page

[Yojimbo1989]

I have the following suggestions for Ren Amimiya

First: I believe early game Ren should be upgraded from High 8-C to either 8-A or low 7-C via his feat of defeating Shadow Kaneshiro given that Shadow Kaneshiro's palace was stated to encompass all of Shibuya, which has an area of 15.11 km^{2}

http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Shibuya

Or possibly we could rank Ren's early game tier as "At least High 8-C to 8-A/low7-C"?

Also: would it be a good idea to separate Ren's profile into 3 categories? I was thinking Early game tier, mid game tier and end game tier. Mid game tier would be 3-C i.e. Ren when he and the Phantom thieves fought Shadow Okumura and the end game tier would remain as is.

So in summary Ren's tier would then be

At least High 8-C to 8-A/low 7-C / 3-C / At least 3-C likely higher

Early game/Mid game/End game

Does this seem reasonable?

 

[ThePerpetual]

Can you provide a scan of the statement that his palace encompassed all of Shibuya, per chance? It would probably help out with that a lot.

 

[Jesterofgames]

I can I know what scene he's talking about

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLU1H24Jbcl6dqFVYwbc8bjwWAopvLmT8P&v=ZzEJUukPgmk 4:47-5:12 "The place kaneshiro thinks of as a bank is All of shibuya"

Plus There's also the fact the absolute Begining of game phantom theives Walked to school and were in Kamoshidas palace but didn't even realize it Until they saw the castle And you can see buildings outside of the castle

 

[Yojimbo1989]

^ This

 

[ThePerpetual]

Yeah, yeah, fair enough. Just wanted to be sure of things, it came up in another Persona thread...

 

[Yojimbo1989]

So, does it seems like a reasonable edit?

 

[Jesterofgames]

I should actually say Morgana says That the cities in the background of the palace Are still a part of said palaces https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iqZ0NVGW1fI&feature=em-uploademail 2:28 to 2:49 So City level Begining of game phantom theives?

 

[Yojimbo1989]

I should actually say
Morgana says That the cities in the background of the palace Are still a part of said palaces https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iqZ0NVGW1fI&feature=em-uploademail 2:28 to 2:49 So City level Begining of game phantom theives?

Or High 8-C to 7-B, since the Phantom Thieves get progressively stronger as the game goes

 

[Jesterofgames]

The palaces are city sized so City level is far more likely since the shadows make said palace

 

[Yojimbo1989]

We also have the fact that the Phantom Thieves defeated the cognition of Futaba Sakura's mother, which, I believe was created from Futaba's distortion, which was also responsible for the creation of a desert. Depending on the size of the desert this could potentially be up to continent level, since the Sahara (where the actual pyramids are located) covers an area equal to China/the USA and a greater area than Europe

 

[Solacis]

@Yojimbo

There's also taking into account that Futaba is surely well-learned enough to know the tidbit about the size of the Sahara, in addition to her cognition making it so that she wants people as far away as possible, makes it so that's it's plausible that her entire Palace can be much larger than what is strictly accurate.

Continent+ level mid-game Phantom Thieves, maybe?

 

[Yojimbo1989]

@Solacis

I would suggest "At least High 8-C to 7-B, possibly 6-A" for early game Phantom Thieves