Sub relatavistic mha don't make sense

[HollowVanity]

Ehm, making this about this calc: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/My_Hero_Academia:_Sniper_Rifle

The problems I have with it will be listed below:

1. Using 34.3 m/s. We don't really know is Shigaraki is moving fast in this scene, there are no speed lines on his arm so the fact that we are assuming hes moving at subsonic speeds for no reason is a bit odd.
2. We dont know when the bullet was shot so the 90 degree assumption is a despicably wild high ball, I believe that when the panel flips back to Shigaraki, we see a Shigaraki from before Nagant shoots her bullet meaning the distance Shigaraki moves is a LOT less then what it seems.
3. This isn't really convincing but its also odd that when the bullet leaves the chamber of the gun we see the word "blam" likely emphasizing the shockwave that the bullet created came when the bullet was still close to the chamber of the gun showing that the bullet is like around the same speed as sound and not sub relatavistic, this would mean nagant shot the bullet like 10 minutes in the past but still, its a bit odd right ?

Solution (imo): Is to wait for the anime to come out to give us more details on the feat, since the feat leaves SO much room for assumptions that just highball the feat to an unnecessary scale

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

I respectfully disagree. Supersonic is pretty casual in Mha by everyone. Subsonic is already a lowball. Noone is gonna move a thousand times less than their normal speed speed lines or not.

 

[HollowVanity]

I respectfully disagree. Supersonic is pretty casual in Mha by everyone. Subsonic is already a lowball. Noone is gonna move a thousand times less than their normal speed speed lines or not.

Erm, why do people always ignore my other arguments and my solution. Also do you even know if Shigaraki is trying to go fast ?

 

[Emerald]

Cause he wants to kill Deku, he wants to touch the ground as fast as he can to deal with him

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Erm, why do people always ignore my other arguments and my solution. Also do you even know if Shigaraki is trying to go fast ?

Pretty sure that he wanted to yeah. He wasn't exactly sipping tea at the scene. Also what the poster above said. Timeframe is probably much much less. This is a severe lowend calc for this.

 

[HollowVanity]

Cause he wants to kill Deku, he wants to touch the ground as fast as he can to deal with him

Again. Could we please touch on my other points to ? Sure we wants to touch the ground to kill Deku but idk if he's in a rush or anything, ill drop this point for now

 

[Emerald]

Sure we wants to touch the ground to kill Deku but idk if he's in a rush or anything

They are in the middle of an intense fight and Deku was shown previously being more than capable of just ending him right there with a Quintuple Smash (Which tore a hole in his chest), so he would rush to kill Deku as fast as he can.

 

[HollowVanity]

They are in the middle of an intense fight and Deku was shown previously being more than capable of just ending him right there with a Quintuple Smash (Which tore a hole in his chest), so he would rush to kill Deku as fast as he can.

Dude, I said I'll drop that point since im an anime only, read through my other points

 

[SODAKU]

I disrespectfully(/j) disagree , 34.3 is a lowball already.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Second point I can't comment on because it's the realm of calcs. But I feel I have adequately explained the first point and also the third.

 

[HollowVanity]

I disrespectfully(/j) disagree , 34.3 is a lowball already.

OMG IF SOMEONE DOESN'T READ THROUGH MY OTHER POINTS AND POINTS OUT ONLY MY FIRST DOT POINT IM GOING TO RAID AN ADOPTION CLINIC (joke btw, please read my other points though, thank you)

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Do I need to point out a bullet can't remain for 10 minutes in the air if it was just the speed of sound or go through 200 km? Third point also doesn't stand.

 

[Emerald]

3. This isn't really convincing but its also odd that when the bullet leaves the chamber of the gun we see the word "blam" likely emphasizing the shockwave that the bullet created came when the bullet was still close to the chamber of the gun showing that the bullet is like around the same speed as sound and not sub relatavistic, this would mean nagant shot the bullet like 10 minutes in the past but still, its a bit odd right ?

It's just fiction logic. Even if you disregard the Sub Rel feat, MHA characters have a bunch of feats that surpass the speed of sound through calcs. In theory the shockwave caused by the bullet leaving the barrel would be a nonfactor, since her bullets can move at faster than sound speeds casually. But it's fiction and it's just a small scene to show that Nagant shot a bullet

 

[SODAKU]

OMG IF SOMEONE DOESN'T READ THROUGH MY OTHER POINTS AND POINTS OUT ONLY MY FIRST DOT POINT IM GOING TO RAID AN ADOPTION CLINIC (joke btw, please read my other points though, thank you)

Raid it

I havo no competence to respond to the second point , so i respond to what I know and have experience with

 

[HollowVanity]

Do I need to point out a bullet can't remain for 10 minutes in the air if it was just the speed of sound or go through 200 km? Third point also doesn't stand.

fiction is sus yk but yeah my 2nd point is the main one

It's just fiction logic. Even if you disregard the Sub Rel feat, MHA characters have a bunch of feats that surpass the speed of sound through calcs. In theory the shockwave caused by the bullet leaving the barrel would be a nonfactor, since her bullets can move at faster than sound speeds casually. But it's fiction and it's just a small scene to show that Nagant shot a bullet

fiction is sus indeed, can you comment on my second point ?

Raid it

I havo no competence to respond to the second point , so i respond to what I know and have experience with

erm

 

[ShigarakiShimura]

fiction is sus yk but yeah my 2nd point is the main one

fiction is sus indeed, can you comment on my second point ?

erm

Your 2nd point doesn't make sense. You believe that the panel of shigaraki moving his hand takes place before nagant shot the bullet even though we see a panel of the bullet already being shot before the shigaraki panel. You believe that for some reason that the panels are reversed and you have no reason or evidence to back it up.

 

[HollowVanity]

Your 2nd point doesn't make sense. You believe that the panel of shigaraki moving his hand takes place before nagant shot the bullet even though we see a panel of the bullet already being shot before the shigaraki panel. You believe that for some reason that the panels are reversed and you have no reason or evidence to back it up.

Well I do, it's the fact that Shigaraki is screaming, it also just makes sense, plus, I think its better for an anime version of this to actually have solid evidence that the bullet moved 209 km in the 0.03 timeframe instead of going with an assumption filled calc

 

[ShigarakiShimura]

Well I do, it's the fact that Shigaraki is screaming, it also just makes sense, plus, I think its better for an anime version of this to actually have solid evidence that the bullet moved 209 km in the 0.03 timeframe instead of going with an assumption filled calc

"Just makes sense" is not evidence and it doesn't make sense by paneling. And screaming doesn't mean anything. People can have an entire conversation while going mftl+. How many times do you need to be told that talking at fast speeds is not a debunk.

 

[HollowVanity]

"Just makes sense" is not evidence and it doesn't make sense by paneling. And screaming doesn't mesn anything. People can have an entire conversation whioe going mftl+. How many times do you need to be told that talking at fast speeds is not a debunk.

Again, I really think an anime version is necessary

 

[ShigarakiShimura]

Again, I really think an anime version is necessary

So you have no argument against it but you still want us to get rid of it and wait for a year+ so we see the anime version?

 

[HollowVanity]

So you have no argument against it but you still want us to get rid of it and wait for a year+ so we see the anime version?

Yeah basically, just kinda makes no sense if I'm honest theres a good amount of inconsistencies

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Even with an anime scene we still would have to use the arm moving to get the accurate time as the anime timeframe doesn't cut it. Also manga always takes precedence so if the anime disagrees with the feat this is still the valid one. Anything else?

 

[HollowVanity]

Even with an anime scene we still would have to use the arm moving to get the accurate time as the anime timeframe doesn't cut it. Also manga always takes precedence so if the anime disagrees with the feat this is still the valid one. Anything else?

The whole thing is just a bunch of shambles assumptions, I'm gonna drop this until someone who hasn't read the series can come and voice there opinions on the assumptions that this calc has. The anime timeframe does cut it in a lot of instances, alot of people are waiting for anime timeframes for certain feats, I don't get why the mha community is struggling so much with waiting when other people do it without complaints. But if I'm this outnumbered, nothing I can do.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

The whole thing is just a bunch of shambles assumptions, I'm gonna drop this until someone who hasn't read the series can come and voice there opinions on the assumptions that this calc has. The anime timeframe does cut it in a lot of instances, alot of people are waiting for anime timeframes for certain feats, I don't get why the mha community is struggling so much with waiting when other people do it without complaints. But if I'm this outnumbered, nothing I can do.

If you didn't already have support why open such a random crt pal...

 

[HollowVanity]

If you didn't already have support why open such a random crt pal...

was expecting to get people who I didn't debate with in the mha discussion thread, turns out I was wrong pal

 

[Random-Helper323]

Point 1: I'm not sure if calculations are allowed to use the verse's existing speed levels for calculations of speed. I thought that was called calc stacking. Realistically, the rule against calc stacking is nonsensical, but I know it exists to prevent people getting extremely high results that the verse doesn't typically show. If someone could answer that for me I'd be grateful.

From a common sense perspective though, if Shiguraki is fighting for his life, and his life may well depend on reaching the ground before Deku kicks his head off, it's more than reasonable to think he's going top speed. If we didn't conclude such things speed scaling wouldn't exist at all, and the battles would all be assumed to consist of everyone fighting for their lives while intentionally moving slower than their normal speed.

Point 2: this is calculation stuff, probably based on the panel. You'd have to speak directly to the one who made the calculation. Be polite about it if you do though; that person just made a calculation, nothing warrants rudeness.

Point 3: this is just standard fiction stuff, especially comics and manga. In fact, the sound effect doesn't even mean anything about speed; it just proves the sound is made. It's also strangely common for a faster character to somehow hear an incoming projectile that moves faster than sound, or see the light from a projectile that moves faster than light. I kind of saw it as fiction speed coming attached to somehow seeing and hearing things from further away at high speeds, but really it's just a very standard fiction rule.

So in short, points 1 and 3 are just standard fictional tropes and scaling rules, and point 2 requires calling out the calculation blog and speaking to its maker rather than just making a revision thread. I guess you could make a questions thread asking where the 90° angle came from.

 

[Dalesean027]

Vehemently disagree with this thread for reasons already provided here and in the discussion thread

 

[CloverDragon03]

Disagree with the OP, I've gone through this debate multiple times already

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Disagree with the OP FRA

 

[Danny33wise]

Seems like everyone here also disagree, then Theirs no point in continuing debating this since a moderator and 2 people from the calc group also disagrees with this.

This should be locked, and I also disagree with this.

 

[HollowVanity]

This feat is gettin removed when the anime comes out, so enjoy it while it lasts

 

[Damage3245]

This feat is gettin removed when the anime comes out, so enjoy it while it lasts

Do you want me to close the thread now?

 

[HollowVanity]

Do you want me to close the thread now?

yes thank you