CSM: High Tiers Debunk [Staff Votes Needed]

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[DarkDragonMedeus]

Same views as FinePoint

 

[ElJoaki5]

Applied

 

[GunshyFever]

We agreed that the Primals would upscale from Yoru's Gun Gauntlet. Currently, Fake Chainsaw Man and even Pochita are seven times faster than the god tier's of the verse, despite Fake Chainsaw Man being only midtier and Pochita unable to scratch the Primals inverse power level while also having inferior feats. Please fix it.

Edit: Not to mention that FinePoint and Dragon disagreed with your scaling proposals for my reasons and you went ahead and used them anyways.

 

[ElJoaki5]

We agreed that the Primals would upscale from Yoru's Gun Gauntlet. Currently, Fake Chainsaw Man and even Pochita are seven times faster than the god tier's of the verse, despite Fake Chainsaw Man being only midtier and Pochita unable to scratch the Primals inverse power level while also having inferior feats. Please fix it.

Edit: Not to mention that FinePoint and Dragon disagreed with your scaling proposals for my reasons and you went ahead and used them anyways.

How? The fake chainsaw man page is a problem you caused, you made the page with a different scaling that hasnt been accepted for the other pages. He was already above the top tiers before my changes.

And you cant just say youre falling back to MHS+ gun gauntlet scaling when it was never accepted beforehand, you can look at Yoru’s page, her attack speed is not changed with the gun gauntlet. That is offtopic for this crt, you cant just turn it into an upgrade crt. If you want to try for MHS+ again with a scaling completely different to the one I took out from the pages then thats on you, its not the topic of the crt.

 

[GunshyFever]

How? The fake chainsaw man page is a problem you caused, you made the page with a different scaling that hasnt been accepted for the other pages. He was already above the top tiers before my changes.

And you cant just say youre falling back to MHS+ gun gauntlet scaling when it was never accepted beforehand, you can look at Yoru’s page, her attack speed is not changed with the gun gauntlet. That is offtopic for this crt, you cant just turn it into an upgrade crt. If you want to try for MHS+ again with a scaling completely different to the one I took out from the pages then thats on you, its not the topic of the crt.

I made my proposals and made everyone aware of the Fake Chainsaw Man scaling well beforehand. Regardless, I'm not here to argue with you. The scaling I suggested was the one agreed upon for use. If it wasn't accepted before, it is now thanks to FinePoint and Dragon. Do what you're supposed to do.

 

[ElJoaki5]

The scaling I suggested was the one agreed upon for use. If it wasn't accepted before, it is now thanks to FinePoint and Dragon. Do what you're supposed to do.

They never agreed with your scaling tho

 

[GunshyFever]

Disagree with the scaling proposals, largely for the reasons GunshyFever and TheRustyOne pointed out.

They disagreed with your scaling because of my and Rusty's points specifically, that is by default, agreement. And just to point out, literally everyone who is knowledgeable on the verse agreed with me as well, because your scaling messes everything up. This isn’t Part 1, this stuff is generally not accepted and shouldn't be accepted, especially when characters have legitimate scaling higher than the Gun Gauntlet.

You chose to mess things up by making this. We already have a speed CRT planned, and you rushed things and this is the result. If you don’t want to make the correct changes, I'll ask someone else to do it, I'm not willing to go in a back and fourth.

 

[ElJoaki5]

They disagreed with your scaling because of my and Rusty's points specifically, that is by default, agreement.

Im pretty sure theyd have to actually say they agree.
For now all I have done is take away what they agreed was wrong and replaced it with the second fastest thing currently accepted.

You chose to mess things up by making this. We already have a speed CRT planned, and you rushed things and this is the result. If you don’t want to make the correct changes, I'll ask someone else to do it, I'm not willing to go in a back and fourth.

So i cant make crts on my own? Its not like youd agree to these changed and include them in a bigger crt.

Anyways since there is a misunderstanding here its better to get staff than to just do whatever you want.

 

[GunshyFever]

Im pretty sure theyd have to actually say they agree.
For now all I have done is take away what I said was wrong and replace it with the second fastest thing currently accepted.

Your misunderstood, what's currently accepted is what I said.

So i cant make crts on my own? Its not like youd agree to these changed and include them in a bigger crt.

Anyways since there is a misunderstanding here its better to get staff than to just do whatever you want.

No, not when your intention is to f*ck shit up, make everything look distasteful, unbalanced and outright wrong. There is no equilibrium. When I do something, it’s for a reason. Bang is already accepted.

Feel free to call staff if your goal is to prolong this. I'm just letting you know that I have the right to revert edits you've made, especially since you’re adding your scaling proposals despite them being rejected.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Can I get an explanation as to what exactly is the accusation? I understand the broad strokes that ElJoaki is using unapproved scaling, but could I be told the specifics, from an uninformed position, please? Maybe with relevant threads linked, too.

 

[GunshyFever]

Can I get an explanation as to what exactly is the accusation? I understand the broad strokes that ElJoaki is using unapproved scaling, but could I be told the specifics, from an uninformed position, please? Maybe with relevant threads linked, too.

For a short summary, scaling was discussed. A removal and change were accepted. All other scaling proposals were not accepted due to reasons provided by me and Rusty. He went ahead and added his rejected changes anyways. I said don't do that, he said get staff, I said alright.

 

[ElJoaki5]

Can I get an explanation as to what exactly is the accusation? I understand the broad strokes that ElJoaki is using unapproved scaling, but could I be told the specifics, from an uninformed position, please? Maybe with relevant threads linked, too.

Both Medeus and FinePoint agreed with me that Makima reacting to the gun devil bullet and that Aging reacting to the Gun Goddess bullet being movement speed (The two first points of the CRT) are wrong. The problem comes with what the replacement should be. Gunshy proposed a new scaling chain and claims the staff agreed with it (All they said is they disagree with my scaling without directly saying they agree with his). Ive gone and taken away those two things that have been accepted to be wrong and replaced it with whatever next calc was already in the verse page.

 

[ElJoaki5]

Also im pretty sure FinePoint was disagreeing with my third proposal (Thats why he talks about disagreeing with it because of what Rusty said)

 

[GunshyFever]

Your misunderstood, what's currently accepted is what I said.

No, not when your intention is to f*ck shit up, make everything look distasteful, unbalanced and outright wrong. There is no equilibrium. When I do something, it’s for a reason. Bang is already accepted.

Feel free to call staff if your goal is to prolong this. I'm just letting you know that I have the right to revert edits you've made, especially since you’re adding your scaling proposals despite them being rejected.

Off topic, I hope this wasn't offensive, I meant this completely casually.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Alright, I understand now.

@ElJoaki5 You probably shouldn't have changed the scaling without a clear definition of what you were going to replace it with as part of the proposal.

@GunshyFever To clarify: the 7-A scaling changes of the OP were rejected, but applied? If your contention is solely with speed scaling then I would say that ElJoaki's actions were perhaps somewhat clumsy in revising but otherwise entirely above board, my interpretation of FinePoint and DDM's votes are the same as his. They rejected AP scaling but agreed with speed changes.

 

[ElJoaki5]

Alright, I understand now.

@ElJoaki5 You probably shouldn't have changed the scaling without a clear definition of what you were going to replace it with as part of the proposal.

@GunshyFever To clarify: the 7-A scaling changes of the OP were rejected, but applied? If your contention is solely with speed scaling then I would say that ElJoaki's actions were perhaps somewhat clumsy in revising but otherwise entirely above board, my interpretation of FinePoint and DDM's votes are the same as his. They rejected AP scaling but agreed with speed changes.

I only touched the speed

 

[GunshyFever]

Alright, I understand now.

@ElJoaki5 You probably shouldn't have changed the scaling without a clear definition of what you were going to replace it with as part of the proposal.

@GunshyFever To clarify: the 7-A scaling changes of the OP were rejected, but applied? If your contention is solely with speed scaling then I would say that ElJoaki's actions were perhaps somewhat clumsy in revising but otherwise entirely above board, my interpretation of FinePoint and DDM's votes are the same as his. They rejected AP scaling but agreed with speed changes.

If that is the case then apologies for my misunderstanding

 

[Mr. Bambu]

If that is the case then apologies for my misunderstanding

You're alright. I suppose FinePoint and DDM are free to clarify, but as it stands I believe this is all above board. Cheers y'all.

 

[FinePoint]

You're alright. I suppose FinePoint and DDM are free to clarify, but as it stands I believe this is all above board. Cheers y'all.

Well, I go through a lot of different threads, and this was pretty far back in the list at this point; so I don't remember exactly.

From what I can tell skimming back over it and trying to remember, I disagreed that the bullet KE was unusable just because it didn't completely obliterate the mountain it hit despite having enough energy, since it did at least do "significant damage" to it, and realistic collateral is almost never properly considered in fiction, often inconsistent at best.

To use a verse I do know as an example (One Punch Man), the clash between Saitama and Garou wiped (at least) entire stars out of the sky, and it was explicitly said they would've destroyed the Earth from a single punch had Blast not redirected the energy. Yet when fighting on Jupiter's moon, despite supposedly getting even stronger and punching at full force many times during their fight there, they didn't destroy the moon until Saitama did something to intentionally do so. He also somehow sneezed away Jupiter's entire atmosphere without affecting the moon right below him.

In terms of speed, it seems like I approved the reaction speed feat for Aging but was skeptical for the woman (I forgot her name while writing this.)