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Street Fighter Revision

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Bison is 100% Not as strong as Akuma in neither SFV nor SFA3.

1.-SFA3 Bison was defeated by a very, very early Ryu who just started learning how to control the Murder Intent, if ALPHA Ryu was somehow stronger than Akuma, most of the story up to that point would cease to make any sense.

2.-Bison's plan was to steal Ryu's body to destroy a city to threaten the world into submission. Why the hell qould he bother of he could bust an Island by scaling?

3.-SFV Bison was defeated by PoN Ryu, who was stomped by base Akuma, and since SFV has a different color for Shin Akuma, i think we can be sure that this was BASE Akuma.

Its simple scaling, really.

SFV/SFA3 Bison < PoN Ryu <Base Akuma.
 
Ryu beat a weakened Bison, but I agree with the rest. Alpha Bison < Mu no Ken Ryu < SFV Bison (though Ryu is most likely gonna surpass Bison by the time of the 2nd cinematic story) < Base Akuma. Bison and Akuma are in different leagues.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Bison beats up Akuma in SFA3 and SFV is Bison at his strongest yet.
Everyone just got stronger by SFV.
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No, Alpha 3 is 95+% non-canon, the only things that we know officially happened are Cammy saving the Dolls, Bison brainwashing Ryu, defeating Ken and Sakura simultenously, Ryu Shoryuken'ing Bison and "the World Warriors destroying the Shadaloo Base" (not stated who exactly). By that logic, Fei Long can solo Shadaloo (he beat Balrog, Vega and Bison in his story), Eagle is stronger than Guile, Juni beat Ryu who stated he would not hold back, etc. And Akuma beats up Bison in his own story too, but in fact, they didn't even fight one another.
 
Alpha 3 Bison vs Akuma is so outlierlish i cannot believe it has been accepted on the first place.

Hell, if Alpha 3 Bison could beat Akuma, but lost to PoN Alpha 3 Ryu, then wouldnt Ryu have STOMPED Akuma in SFV?

Sorry but no, Bison should be downgraded to 7-B for even being able to fight Base Ryu.

SFA3 was technically Bison at his best, and lost to a BoS Ryu who was just starting to resist the satsuni no hadou.


Also, the Satsuni no Hadou is infectious as seen in Sagat´s SFV ending.
 
Asuka the Demonic Empress said:
Alpha 3 Bison vs Akuma is so outlierlish i cannot believe it has been accepted on the first place.
Hell, if Alpha 3 Bison could beat Akuma, but lost to PoN Alpha 3 Ryu, then wouldnt Ryu have STOMPED Akuma in SFV?

Sorry but no, Bison should be downgraded to 7-B for even being able to fight Base Ryu.

SFA3 was technically Bison at his best, and lost to a BoS Ryu who was just starting to resist the satsuni no hadou.
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Correct. Akuma SGS'ing Bison in SFII is all that happened between them in the series.
Rose should get downgraded, too. Her only canonical achievement was defeating Bison in Alpha 2, and even then it was thanks to the fact that Soul Power is the antithesis of Psycho Power, she was lucky. But Bison is way more experienced, additionally, Psycho Drive in SFA3 and especially the Black Moons in SFV were giving him way more power.
The Alpha series has too many filler fights, it's more than obvious that Rose vs. Akuma (lol) is one of them.
 
Nash had to weaken Bison (someone way inferior to Akuma) for Ryu to take the win, and Akuma soundly beat him, so I think MnK Ryu would be 7-B to 7-A, but not High 7-A yet.
 
Well, he did fight Akuma to a standstill in SF3, so he should be High 7-A in a "Street Fighter 3" form.

And i do not know why we do not consider Ryu Final canon, as it is written by the same people who actually make the games and is 100% official capcom material.
 
Well, 2nd Impact also has many filler fights, similar to Alpha. In canon, SFIII Ryu was beaten by One-Armed Oro, who is equal to Base Akuma. Ryu Final wasn't written by Capcom, but they did use some of its elements in 3rd Strike.
 
Well yeah, but SF3 has Ryu beat Alex (Or at least overwhelm him quite a bit on the start), who beat Gill, and gill has that Moses Water Splitting feat.

So SF3 Ryu, should probably be At least 7-A, possibly higher.


But Capcom will eventually have to make a game that explains what canonically happens in SF3 in detail, so Ryu wouldnt stay 7-A for long.
 
Gill has never gone all out in canon. He let Dudley, Yun & Yang, Urien, Ibuki and Alex win. Considering Gill one-shotted Alex in Kolin's new SFIII ending aka what if Gill fought him seriously.
 
Well, SFV endings are not accurate unless they are in canon, because Bison´s SFV ending has him beating PoN Ryu.

And that is 100% a reference to Gill´s SF3TS ending, where he beats Alex and brainwashes/skin bleaches him, which would contradict his ending where he fights Ryu without being a blue/red popsicle.
 
Still doesn't change the fact Gill has never fought seriously in canon yet, he only wanted to know whether Dudley, Ibuki and Alex were worthy enough to enter his new world. Yes, it was a reference to his 3S ending, which shows what would actually happen in a non-BS scenario when both are not holding back.

There's also a problem that the Western releases of SFIII:3S only have a fraction of the win-quotes. A guy who knows Japanese stated to me that in the original version there was a Gill-to-Alex quote which proves Gill was holding back.
 
Oh, well, if you could find that quote, it would help quite a bit, but for now, it is kinda inconclusive if either of them were doing their best, since Alex did have to survive a fight with Gill to eventually fight Ryu on the SF3TS finale without being blue/red´d, after all.


It should be stated that in Alex´s SFV story mode, he did fight and defeat Shadaloo´s data on Ryu, which would be post-SFIV on the least.
 
Anyways, Evil Ryu has never appeared in canon, the satsuni no hadou has never 100% dominated Ryu.

But, we have to count him as his separate character/form, he would be 100% High 7-A by fighting Base and Shin Akuma in SFA3.
 
That was literally the purpose of Gill and his tournament - to find worthy fighters, he didn't have to defeat them, so he just let them accomplish their goals. He gave Dudley a car out of respect (similar to Urien returning Li-Fen to Chun-Li although Urien >>> Chun-Li), allowed Alex to avenge Tom and handed over the G File to Ibuki.

Gill is one of the strongest chars, it's just that he had a terrible showing. Current Capcom will definitely do him justice in SFV's next story mode if he appears, or in the next SF game. They might also retcon most of SFIII, if not entirely.
 
Well, Ryu did defeat Gen in SF1, but you can say he was just holding back.

But yeah, Ryu should be downgraded to At least 7-A because he has never defeated Akuma in canon (if you do not count Ryu Final), since he is eventually going to be High 7-A again eventually since Akuma vs Ryu will happen at some point, Evil Ryu is 100% High 7-A.

I am still neutral to the whole Gill thing, since we do not know just how strong he is compared to Akuma (but he would most likely be stronger based on the sea-splitting feat) or if he truly held back against Alex, i would prefer if we put on a hold on anything SF3 related until Capcom clarifies stuff for us.

But yeah, if you do have that quote around, it would help a lot.
 
In the Japanese canon of SFI, Ryu has only fought a bunch of random Muay Thai fighters and then ran into Sagat. He didn't fight Gen. Gen would solo the SFI roster while being sick.
 
Yeah, he did fight SFV Akuma, Gen did die, but still gave Akuma a decent enough fight.

But you could say that he was the old teacher testing Ryu, holding back quite a bit.
 
Yes, that feat is from Viper's SFIV Aftermath trailer. I think 7-B characters would be Base Ryu, Ken, Dhalsim, Alpha Nash (since he beat Alpha Bison) and Torrent Necalli.
 
But Zangief isn't 7-B, so how would that make Sakura and Karin 7-B? And I honestly doubt Aftermath trailers are canon as their events were never referenced in the games, though Chun-Li's feat should still be consistent with her canonical powerlevel.
 
I could be open due the SFV retcons for at least 7-B for Alpha Bison and Rose since that Bison is stronger than his other bodies sans V, superior to Sagat, toyed with Nash, is considered a threat to many characters and also able to defeat and empower Base Ryu and the satellite.

At least 7-B, likely far higher for V Bison, Evil [Oneshotted Alpha Biso] and PoN Ryu, Torrent Necalli and Full Power Cody, the likely far higher is due to Bison being empowered by the moons, but said boost is unquantificable which is why the likely far higher.
 
Didn't someone state the full power of the base could destroy the continent or something ? I vaguely remember it was stated by someone who was working on the project.
 
Yeah, At least 7-B to 7-A for them seems reasonable enough. Which tier is Gill at the moment? Because SF3 scaling might put Ryu and Alex at a higher tier if Gill was not holding back.

Or sure, we can just wait for Capcom to redcon SF3 and write their own Ryu Final to finally scale Ryu to Akuma.

Canon!Evil ryu (Barely tapped into by ryu to defeat Bison and Sagat) is At least 7-B to 7-A, while Non-canon or fully submitted Evil Ryu is 100% High 7-A because he fought on even grounds with Shin Akuma in SFA3
 
That Cammy ending likely implied that she would do so over time, the original jap. version could have different words about it, lastly said ending is not canon as Brain said that only a few parts of the whole Alpha series are canon, which does not include that. We cannot give 7-A or High 7-A out of speculation only at least 7-B, likely far higher unless a feat that scales to them is calced.
 
Until Capcom explains what exactly happened in SF3, If Gill was serious against Alex, then both Alex and Ryu should scale.

And Ryu Final is 100% sponsored by capcom, and Karin literally originated from Sakura Ganbaru, from the same author. So, if we considered this to be canon, Ryu could have regen and High 7-A.

And based on Sagat's ending and SFV story, Satsuni no Hadou is contagious.
 
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