Stranger Things Season 5 Discussion

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

Brenner would probably get limited Power Nullification, Electricity Manipulation, and Sleep Inducement through some of his equipment, though most of it wouldn't be practical in combat without prior setup.

Brenner would be such an interesting profile ngl

Also Brenner being one of the most intelligent characters in the shows reminded me that a ton of characters could use an intelligence upgrade.

I feel like Hopper definitely AT LEAST needs Gifted intelligence in terms of combat. He’s a veteran, has fought Russian Soldiers, Demogorgans, and the US Military with no issue. He’s also very creative and does not waste a second in terms of combat, like with the grenade thing in S5 Vol. 1, etc.

Steve definitely needs at least a bit of acknowledgement for coming up with the entire plan with the satellite tower and Abyss. He even impressed Dustin thoroughly in this scene, someone of far higher intelligence of him. Also with the Bopper/driving through the opening to the Upside Down.

Speaking of Dustin, being able to make sense of Brenner’s notes and conclude things about the Upside Down after his “fight” with Steve should be considerably more than enough to make note of.

Nancy should definitely just get an upgrade of some kind because she was straight up sniping highly trained Military men without getting shot, and in all honesty is probably just below Hopper in terms of marksmanship at this point.

There’s probably far more to be considered for others as well, but this should def be taken in congruence with getting some calcs as well. (Also think that almost all the equipment/weapon art in S5 used the the Squawk should be listed under Murray as he provides all of their needs within that season specifically)

 

[Ti58]

Given that there are now direct statements about the abyss being a planet, Henry should scale to a portion of the total energy of this feat.

the Abyss is an entire dimension though, not just a planet. The statements about it being a planet are about what's specifically colliding with the Earth. And also he channels his power through 12 children to do this feat of merging what seems to be universes.

 

[Meli_Tempest]

the Abyss is an entire dimension though, not just a planet. The statements about it being a planet are about what's specifically colliding with the Earth. And also he channels his power through 12 children to do this feat of merging what seems to be universes.

Yes, it seems that the Abyss exists in an alternate dimension, but (perhaps I am mistaken) I do not recall any mention of this movement affecting the entire dimension.

Only the planet located within it. Vecna should scale to 1/13th of the required energy.

 

[Ti58]

Yes, it seems that the Abyss exists in an alternate dimension, but (perhaps I am mistaken) I do not recall any mention of this movement affecting the entire dimension. Only the planet located within it.

I mean didn't he want to merge the Abyss and the Rightside up?

Vecna should scale to 1/13th of the required energy.

There is no evidence of that though. Just because he uses that many kids doesn't mean he gets exactly that many times stronger.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Only the planet located within it. Vecna should scale to 1/13th of the required energy.

I feel like that kinda makes a lot of assumptions. We have no idea if all those kids possessed exactly his power. For all we know each kid squared his power or doubled it each time, that way it was Vecna's abilities *(2^12) or something. We have no idea how it works, so assuming he's 1/13th of the power rather than saying he just magically amping his powers tenfold via the ritual seems pretty wanky

Also, Tier 5 Stranger Things. Holy outlier Batman! Tier 8 - 7 make sense, but that's a feat nothing else in the verse even comes close too. I agree with 5-B/2-C Environmental Destruction/prep time, but claiming his normal telekinesis is anywhere in that ballpark is a bit absurd

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

Stranger Bump

 

[Dinobot1996]

According to the recent junior novelization adaptation of Stranger Things 2, the Mind Flayer's smoke form is described as being as tall as a skyscraper, which lines up with the 50 story height that was brought up for it before:

 

[Ti58]

what the hell is this

 

[Dinobot1996]

Stranger Things: The Complete Scripts, Season 2 also directly backs up the 50 story height:

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

what the hell is this

Absolutely not

 

[Ti58]

Stranger Things: The Complete Scripts, Season 2 also directly backs up the 50 story height:

I mean wasn't it stated to be 50 stories tall multiple times? It was also stated to be 50 feet tall (15 meters in better units) but I'm fairly certain this is a mistake

Absolutely not 50 feet here.

Concept art of it and Will, definitely not 50 ft.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles X Stranger Things crossover, again, not 50 feet tall

S2 poster

 

[Dinobot1996]

The random 50 feet statement never made sense to me either, I mostly wanted to make there were multiple direct statements to debunk it in favor of 50 stories.

 

[Ti58]

What abilities does the Mind Flayer's abyss form does even have?

 

[Arkenis]

I mean wasn't it stated to be 50 stories tall multiple times? It was also stated to be 50 feet tall (15 meters in better units) but I'm fairly certain this is a mistake

Absolutely not 50 feet here.

Concept art of it and Will, definitely not 50 ft.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles X Stranger Things crossover, again, not 50 feet tall

S2 poster

Broooooo we can't see those except the last one. If those are wiki pics they never work here.

 

[Damage3245]

What abilities does the Mind Flayer's abyss form does even have?

Large Size. Superhuman Physical Characteristics. Natural Weapons. Regeneration + Biological Manipulation, I assume.

 

[Ti58]

Broooooo we can't see those except the last one. If those are wiki pics they never work here.

Yeah.

Large Size. Superhuman Physical Characteristics. Natural Weapons. Regeneration + Biological Manipulation, I assume.

Most of these are pretty obvious (and lmao it has barely any abilities). But why regeneration and biological manipulation?

 

[Damage3245]

Most of these are pretty obvious (and lmao it has barely any abilities). But why regeneration and biological manipulation?

If it's like the Mindflayer's previous physical avatar then it should be able to shapeshift / assimilate biological matter & recover from being damaged.

 

[Kaydee1648]

The mind flayer original body should also have power bestowal & Interdimensional range since it gave Vecna his power, though not directly.

 

[Ti58]

Would it be possible to calculate the energy needed to open a portal by using that Soviet nuclear reactor thing?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Where is the episode 9?

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Where is the episode 9?

It was never happening. Conformity Gate was pure cope

Imagine writing a season so bad that your fans think it was all on purpose because you're secretly releasing a 9th episode that will fix everything

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It was never happening. Conformity Gate was pure cope

Imagine writing a season so bad that your fans think it was all on purpose because you're secretly releasing a 9th episode that will fix everything

Okay so the documentary actually made it so much worse

They started filming episode 8 before it was actually finished being written and used ChatGPT for large amounts of Season 5's script

That plus the fact that during production of S5 the Duffers showed almost no knowledge of the actual story or characters makes it all but confirmed that the show was ghost written

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

We finally got a calculation on the Demogorgon ripping open the truck trailer

Looks like the verse is getting bumped to Class M

 

[Ti58]

Does anyone have any images of the S5 Mind Flayer that aren't affected by perspective? I was trying to calculate the Flayer's GPE, I know its height as it was recently stated, but idk how to calculate its weight honestly.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Does anyone have any images of the S5 Mind Flayer that aren't affected by perspective? I was trying to calculate the Flayer's GPE, I know its height as it was recently stated, but idk how to calculate its weight honestly.

You'd use a formula simular to what's seen in this blog post

Pretty much, you'd see how much taller The Mind Flayer is compared to a real life counterpart (I'd reccoment a spider) and then see how much said real life counterpart weighs. Then you'd just throw those numers into the formula linked above

I'll give a random example, say The Mind Flayer is 10 meters tall & a normal spider is 0.2 meters tall

10/0.2 = 50x taller than a spider

50^3 = 125,000x heavier

Lets say an average spider weighs 100 grams

0.1 * 125,000 = 12,500 kg

This is just an example using random numbers, but it would look something like this

 

[Ti58]

You'd use a formula simular to what's seen in this blog post

Pretty much, you'd see how much taller The Mind Flayer is compared to a real life counterpart (I'd reccoment a spider) and then see how much said real life counterpart weighs. Then you'd just throw those numers into the formula linked above

I'll give a random example, say The Mind Flayer is 10 meters tall & a normal spider is 0.2 meters tall

10/0.2 = 50x taller than a spider

50^3 = 125,000x heavier

Lets say an average spider weighs 100 grams

0.1 * 125,000 = 12,500 kg

This is just an example using random numbers, but it would look something like this

I wanted too do this using the japanese spider crab but it has no height measumerent, only leg width, which I don't have for the MF. It's also pretty hard to find height measumerents for spiders and stuff.

 

[Dinobot1996]

A couple more currently unevaluated supporting calculations:

• Steve blitzes a Russian
• Demogorgon opens a metal door

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

A couple more currently unevaluated supporting calculations:

• Steve blitzes a Russian
• Demogorgon opens a metal door

That 2nd calculation claims that the Demogorgon's head is 66 meters wide... Yeah I don't think that can be used

 

[Quaticco]

I made a calc with evidence that El is tier 4-A.

 

[Ti58]

I made a calc with evidence that El is tier 4-A.

absolutely not happening

 

[Quaticco]

absolutely not happening

but why not? wormholes take immense amounts of energy to open, and one with a radius of nearly 6 km would land it a tier 4-A. I know it’s not very consistent to other powerscalings in the verse, but maybe that’s just a testament to how off-the-rails the powerscaling went in the last season

 

[Dinobot1996]

 

[Legion350]

but why not? wormholes take immense amounts of energy to open, and one with a radius of nearly 6 km would land it a tier 4-A. I know it’s not very consistent to other powerscalings in the verse, but maybe that’s just a testament to how off-the-rails the powerscaling went in the last season

Where did your formula come from? The calc doesn't provide a source to justify any of the assumptions you made. Also, 7.858e47 J is only 4-B. 4-A starts at 2.008e57, because 4-B somehow has the third biggest tier range on the AP chart [after 3-A & 3-B].

 

[Jaften]

So Vecna is currently listed as potentially 2-C ED for the merger of the Abyss and Earth realms, but does anyone else feel like this should be bumped down to 3-A, due to the different realms apparently sharing a common temporal axis, rather than being complete and separate spacetimes?

 

[Kaydee1648]

So Vecna is currently listed as potentially 2-C ED for the merger of the Abyss and Earth realms, but does anyone else feel like this should be bumped down to 3-A, due to the different realms apparently sharing a common temporal axis, rather than being complete and separate spacetimes?

I removed it entirely from the profile. It’s wasn’t accepted in a CRT.

@Phonixek don’t do that again, take this as a warning.

 

[StarShooter80]

Yeah Phonixek, that addition... was lowkey strange

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Yeah Phonixek, that addition... was lowkey strange

Ehh, idk I've seen stranger things

 

[StarShooter80]

Ehh, idk I've seen stranger things

 

[Phonixek]

Where did your formula come from? The calc doesn't provide a source to justify any of the assumptions you made. Also, 7.858e47 J is only 4-B. 4-A starts at 2.008e57, because 4-B somehow has the third biggest tier range on the AP chart [after 3-A & 3-B].

there are justifications for it, the formula itself is for creating some sort of disturbance in space time which gates are

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

2 accepted calculation blogs

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:OiEuSouDuvi/Stranger_Things:_Demogorgons_Raise_Metal_Plates

Stranger Things: Eleven opens a gate ( Recalculation )

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