Storm Naruto resurrection removal

[DavidTPPM]

This should be pretty clear. Storm 4 Naruto currently has this on his profile

Possibly Resurrection, Statistics Amplification, Healing, Fate Manipulation and Immortality (Type 8; reliant on Hagoromo. Should Naruto get KO'd or killed in story mode, Hagoromo will appear and allow him to continue the battle, giving him the option of increasing either his attack or defense power for the remainder of the battle and restoring his health. When Naruto loses, Hagoromo states that Naruto isn't supposed to go to sleep yet, and can choose his own path and walk again, allowing him to change and choose his own fate)

This has no reason to be there even "possibly". Here are the main reasons.

1. It's not Narutos canon ability but a game mechanic:

Naruto doesn't actually canonically die when this happens. It's simply a game mechanic to stop you from losing. It's no different from a standard respawn mechanic from most other games. Naruto actually DOES almost die in the story when Kurama is yanked out of him like in the Manga. When this happens Sakura notes Naruto will survive if he gets kurama. And after Zetsu steals it, he even notes that Naruto will die now, further proving Naruto is not immortal thanks to Hagoromo.

2. It's not even Naruto who ressurects himself. It's Hagoromo:

As the profile notes, it's Hagoromo who revives Naruto. Which means it makes no sense for Naruto to have this as an ability. It's literally outside help from someone else. Hagoromo doesn't appear due to any of Narutos abilities like summoning jutsu, he does this seemingly out of his free will. This is like giving Canon War Arc Naruto spacetime teleportation because Obito helped him teleport into Kaguyas dimension.

3. It's not just Naruto but also every other playable character:

Even characters who CANONICALLY DIE in the story like Hashirama get revived by Hagoromo if you lose while playing as them. So even if it were a canon, Hagoromo wouldn't revive anyone outside of the events where you as the player play as the characters.

Proposition 1: the ability is not only non-canon, it's also not even Narutos ability and was limited to very specific events. Storm Naruto and anyone else who has this on their profile for the same reason should get it removed.

Proposition 2: Since RanaProGamer
Kinda proved Hagoromo healing unconscious people is acknowledged by the in-game dialog, if proposition 1 gets rejected the ability should be still downgraded from resurrection and Immortality to regeneration (idk which tier really) since all we know Hagoromo canonically does is heal KOed characters. We never see him resurrect dead people or heal major injuries like limb loss, decapitation, etc.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Bump

 

[Hypertornado099]

Don't read Naruto but the "change and choose his own fate" sounds like its very obviously not fate manipulation

 

[DavidTPPM]

Don't read Naruto but the "change and choose his own fate" sounds like its very obviously not fate manipulation

Yeah but that's not even the main point. It's not canon and not Narutos ability.

 

[MrKerf]

1. It being Game Mechanic is debatable. Since Storm games are not allowed to be scaled in any way to or from manga, it is its own verse in a vacuum. So if game-overs have plot explanations - they are (or at least might be) canon.
And Sakura or others' talks don't prove anything, since they have no idea about Hagoromo.

2. Reliant Immortalities are typically not someone's own ability so that being not his ability is a non-factor. We have a ton of such examples on the wiki.

3. That's actually an interesting and viable argument. However, since it is - again - it's own verse, Hagoromo can revive anyone he wants to. More specifically, it is in line with his phrases - "it is not your time yet", etc, etc. So, no contradictions here, he revives only those who are destined to die in some other place.

Not convinced. Put me under disagree. Although I am open to removing Fate Manipulation part.

 

[DavidTPPM]

1. It being Game Mechanic is debatable. Since Storm games are not allowed to be scaled in any way to or from manga, it is its own verse in a vacuum. So if game-overs have plot explanations - they are (or at least might be) canon.
And Sakura or others' talks don't prove anything, since they have no idea about Hagoromo.

Sakura is playable pre-Kurama yank so if it's actually canon to the story she should know about it. As she would have canonically encountered Hagoromo in case you died in her mission.

2. Reliant Immortalities are typically not someone's own ability so that being not his ability is a non-factor. We have a ton of such examples on the wiki.

But Naruto outright does NOT have any immortality. Hagoromo just walks up to him and revives him in the game over scene. A reliant immortality would be something like Kaguyas canon immortality. If you take away the juubi/bijuu she loses it and dies but with it she's immortal. This is just someone helping Naruto.

3. That's actually an interesting and viable argument. However, since it is - again - it's own verse, Hagoromo can revive anyone he wants to.

Yes Hagoromo can. Anyone with the ability to revive others can revive others in their own series. Same way Nagato revived Kakashi in canon and Kabuto revived the edo army. But that's not Narutos ability. Hagoromo isn't sealed inside him like a bijuu, he's not summoned like a toad, he's literally just a character acting on his own accord. It's like saying "Sakura healed base Naruto in canon so canon base Naruto has low-mid regen and type 3 immortality.

More specifically, it is in line with his phrases - "it is not your time yet", etc, etc. So, no contradictions here, he revives only those who are destined to die in some other place.

More like people he doesn't want to die yet. Either way, what I'm getting at is that even if we were to ignore that it's non canon and not Narutos ability, we have no reason to think Hagoromo would revive Naruto outside of the story's events. Everyone is canonically still afraid of dying regardless of how many countless times you get revived in the story mode.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I disagree FRA

 

[DavidTPPM]

Bump

 

[RanaProGamer]

What Kerf said, but also, thanks to Storm Connections, we know exactly how Hagoromo does this and proves that it’s a canon ability. Hagoromo and Jiraiya both weave the foundation of the Naruto timeline after history was being erased from the Book of Transcendence. To ensure history was restored, they are weaving events whereupon its path can be retraced. So yes, they insert themselves to make sure that history is following through by reviving those who are meant to live according to the book. This is also backed up since when you lose, it’s not a game over screen which has to be restarted, the battle continues from where it left off, and has a canon explanation that the certain character isn’t supposed to die in that point of the story and Hagoromo revives them.

Though seeing that characters you can play as be revived having no knowledge of Hagoromo implies that they have no memory of being revived, that’s all.

Also, this is 100% Type 8 Immortality, good example is The Hunter, his justification is (Reliant on the Moon Presence and the Hunter's Dream, the Moon Presence will constantly revive the Hunter if they are killed). It’s literally the same in this case. The Moon Presence is literally a different being (not even a source of his power) reviving The Hunter.

Also, every character being revived doesn’t contradict anything. They would all have this ability up until “their time” according to the Book.

 

[DavidTPPM]

What Kerf said, but also, thanks to Storm Connections, we know exactly how Hagoromo does this and proves that it’s a canon ability.

Even if it's a canon ability of Hagoromos (which I'm not really doubting) it's not Narutos ability or a canon event in the story. Hagoromo is not an inner demon like sukuna, a summoning jutsu like Fukasaku, a summon like Moris extreme duplication, or any other form of acceptable helper ability. I already explained this. Sakura healing someone won't give them her regeneration on their profiles.

Though seeing that characters you can play as be revived having no knowledge of Hagoromo implies that they have no memory of being revived, that’s all.

Or they simply weren't revived since it's never acknowledged even by the person who kills the player. There's no reason to treat this any different than for example The Knight waking up on the bench after dying like nothing happened.

Also, this is 100% Type 8 Immortality, good example is The Hunter, his justification is (Reliant on the Moon Presence and the Hunter's Dream, the Moon Presence will constantly revive the Hunter if they are killed). It’s literally the same in this case. The Moon Presence is literally a different being (not even a source of his power) reviving The Hunter.

Then that's also wrong and we should make a CRT to remove that? I can't say much because I haven't played Bloodborn but if it's the same then both should be removed lol.

Main point stands. Even if it's canon ability of Hagoromo, it's NOT NARUTOS ABILITY.
Same way Sakura healing Naruto doesn't give Naruto her regeneration/immortality, Nagato reviving Kakashi won't give Kakashi resurrection, Orochimaru reviving Minato won't give him resurrection, there is no reason Hagoromo reviving people should give them resurrection either.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Even if it's a canon ability of Hagoromos (which I'm not really doubting) it's not Narutos ability or a canon event in the story. Hagoromo is not an inner demon like sukuna, a summoning jutsu like Fukasaku, a summon like Moris extreme duplication, or any other form of acceptable helper ability. I already explained this. Sakura healing someone won't give them her regeneration on their profiles.

Again, doesn’t matter if it’s outside force. That’s what Immortality Type 8 is. It’s what’s generally accepted in the wiki. The issue with your Sakura argument is that Naruto isn’t reliant on her. Look at the description, “The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place, and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits, losing them otherwise. What exactly a user is reliant over, the benefits given from it, and how the process of the ability operates must be explained”. It fits the description.

Or they simply weren't revived since it's never acknowledged even by the person who kills the player. There's no reason to treat this any different than for example The Knight waking up on the bench after dying like nothing happened.

The person who kills the player doesn’t even know if they’re revived or not. Should you lose in Madara vs Guy, Madara acknowledges it as resiliency. It’s like if a person fell down a flight of stairs and got up, did that person get revived or is he simply tougher.

Then that's also wrong and we should make a CRT to remove that? I can't say much because I haven't played Bloodborn but if it's the same then both should be removed lol.

I can give you so many examples of outside entities being the reliant factor of Immortality. That’s just how the wiki accepts it.

Main point stands. Even if it's canon ability of Hagoromo, it's NOT NARUTOS ABILITY.
Same way Sakura healing Naruto doesn't give Naruto her regeneration/immortality, Nagato reviving Kakashi won't give Kakashi resurrection, Orochimaru reviving Minato won't give him resurrection, there is no reason Hagoromo reviving people should give them resurrection either.

Bringing this up again “The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place, and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits, losing them otherwise. What exactly a user is reliant over, the benefits given from it, and how the process of the ability operates must be explained”

 

[DavidTPPM]

Again, doesn’t matter if it’s outside force. That’s what Immortality Type 8 is. It’s what’s generally accepted in the wiki. The issue with your Sakura argument is that Naruto isn’t reliant on her. Look at the description, “The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place, and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits, losing them otherwise. What exactly a user is reliant over, the benefits given from it, and how the process of the ability operates must be explained”. It fits the description.

Yes it matters because it's literally a whole different character. Naruto doesn't have an immortality/resurrection ability reliant on Hagoromo. Hagoromo has the ability to resurrect people that he uses on Naruto. Those are 2 different things. This isn't like saying "Kaguya has the Juubi which makes her immortal so as long as she has it she has immortality", this is like saying "Minato protected newborn Naruto, so newborn Naruto is 6-A with subrel speed and has teleportation and sealing hax".
Same way newborn Naruto doesn't get hax and stats from Minato helping him, there's no reason for Naruto to get hax from Hagoromo helping him.

The person who kills the player doesn’t even know if they’re revived or not. Should you lose in Madara vs Guy, Madara acknowledges it as resiliency. It’s like if a person fell down a flight of stairs and got up, did that person get revived or is he simply tougher.

That wouldn't mean he died tho? Just KOed at best? It means that Madara didn't do something like cut Guy in half and watch him walk it off, but that he knocked him down and watched him stand up. So from a canonical perspective, it's at best minor regeneration, not resurrection and Immortality. Also consistent with Hagoromo not healing Naruto after he lost Kurama and stuff.

I can give you so many examples of outside entities being the reliant factor of Immortality. That’s just how the wiki accepts it.

Looking at the explanation behind reliant immortality:

8: Reliant Immortality: The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place, and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits, losing them otherwise.

The issue here is very clear. Hagoromo doesn't grant him the ability/benefit of resurrection and Immortality, or even regeneration and stat boosts. He does those things himself. Looking at an example from a series I've actually read it's very very clear.
Aizen is immortal himself because of an object (hogyoku) that he has within his body. Same as Kaguya has the 10 tails which grants her immortality. In other words, they GAIN AN ABILITY due to a certain being, object, place, or concept. Naruto does not gain any abilities thanks to Hagoromo. Hagoromo has to walk up to Naruto and personally revive and amp him.
What Hagoromo does is no different from Nagato reviving Kakashi or Karin healing Sasuke. What reliant immortality would be, is something like hogyoku granting Aizen immortality.

Bringing this up again “The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place, and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits, losing them otherwise. What exactly a user is reliant over, the benefits given from it, and how the process of the ability operates must be explained”

Yes, and Hagoromo doesn't grant Naruto any benefits. He walks up to Naruto and uses his own ability on him. That is not reliant immortality, that's a different character helping a KOed Naruto.

 

[DavidTPPM]

So yeah no resurrection for Naruto. It's not reliant ability, it's a wholeass different dude using his ability on KOed Naruto.

also canonically minor regeneration at best, not resurrection and Immortality

 

[KaydeeX]

Following

 

[MrKerf]

Listen, if you want to, make a staff thread regarding how we accept Type 8 Immortality on the wiki. Or at least check other examples to better understand it.

 

[Nierre]

MrKerf and Rana make sense to me so far, so put me as disagree FRA

 

[RanaProGamer]

Yes it matters because it's literally a whole different character. Naruto doesn't have an immortality/resurrection ability reliant on Hagoromo. Hagoromo has the ability to resurrect people that he uses on Naruto. Those are 2 different things. This isn't like saying "Kaguya has the Juubi which makes her immortal so as long as she has it she has immortality", this is like saying "Minato protected newborn Naruto, so newborn Naruto is 6-A with subrel speed and has teleportation and sealing hax".
Same way newborn Naruto doesn't get hax and stats from Minato helping him, there's no reason for Naruto to get hax from Hagoromo helping him.

You’ve completely missed my point of being reliant, the examples you provided isn’t Naruto being always reliant on them, just them helping Naruto. The entire story of Naruto takes place in the Book of Transcendence, should the story break, Hagoromo comes to fix it. Simple as that.

That wouldn't mean he died tho? Just KOed at best? It means that Madara didn't do something like cut Guy in half and watch him walk it off, but that he knocked him down and watched him stand up. So from a canonical perspective, it's at best minor regeneration, not resurrection and Immortality. Also consistent with Hagoromo not healing Naruto after he lost Kurama and stuff.

It is, due to Hagoromo’s own words “wake up, you are not supposed to sleep yet”. Literally meaning that they can’t die yet. Also Hagoromo did heal Naruto, what are you on about? He brought him back along with Six Paths powers and he was healed.

Looking at the explanation behind reliant immortality:

The issue here is very clear. Hagoromo doesn't grant him the ability/benefit of resurrection and Immortality, or even regeneration and stat boosts. He does those things himself. Looking at an example from a series I've actually read it's very very clear.
Aizen is immortal himself because of an object (hogyoku) that he has within his body. Same as Kaguya has the 10 tails which grants her immortality. In other words, they GAIN AN ABILITY due to a certain being, object, place, or concept. Naruto does not gain any abilities thanks to Hagoromo. Hagoromo has to walk up to Naruto and personally revive and amp him.
What Hagoromo does is no different from Nagato reviving Kakashi or Karin healing Sasuke. What reliant immortality would be, is something like hogyoku granting Aizen immortality.

Yes, and Hagoromo doesn't grant Naruto any benefits. He walks up to Naruto and uses his own ability on him. That is not reliant immortality, that's a different character helping a KOed Naruto.

You’ve missed the Moon Presence argument, be aware that The Hunter doesn’t even know that the Moon Presence keeps reviving him. And I have more examples that already accepted in the wiki, Oni is reliant on Urotsuki. She will always come back, as Urotsuki re-creates her subconsciously. Subconsciously, seriously think about that. If you don’t agree, as Keef said above, make a CRT against Type 8 Immortality. Or else we’re running in circles since you don’t accept how other characters are granted Type 8 Immortality.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

MrKerf and Rana make sense to me so far, so put me as disagree FRA

Same.

 

[speedster352]

I disagree with the op

 

[Deceived3596]

I disagree as well.

I don't understand this argument that since it's an ability that Naruto himself doesn't possess it means we can't categorise its effects on his profile. If someone provides Naruto these effects, with these effects being constant throughout their shown usages, then I don't see the issue in having them listed on his profile. Especially in the case of Type 8 Immortality, which is generally reliant on an object or concept that's completely independent from the existence of the character with that immortality.

 

[DavidTPPM]

MrKerf and Rana make sense to me so far, so put me as disagree FRA

Did you read my last reply? Reliant immortality is fine. This is not reliant immortality. Naruto isn't immortal Naruto doesn't resurrect. Hagoromo has the ability to revive people and revives people (not just Naruto).

It's not reliant immortality it's the same as any character with ability to resurrect others reviving characters.

 

[DavidTPPM]

You’ve completely missed my point of being reliant, the examples you provided isn’t Naruto being always reliant on them, just them helping Naruto. The entire story of Naruto takes place in the Book of Transcendence, should the story break, Hagoromo comes to fix it. Simple as that.

And Hagoromo just helps Naruto as well. Yes if the story breaks Hagoromo comes to fix it. That's not reliant immortality that's a massively more powerful character helping Naruto (and literally everyone in the story).
It's literally the same thing as I explained before.
"When Sasuke gets harmed (the story breaks), Karin (Hagoromo) heals Sasuke (player character)".

It is, due to Hagoromo’s own words “wake up, you are not supposed to sleep yet”. Literally meaning that they can’t die yet. Also Hagoromo did heal Naruto, what are you on about? He brought him back along with Six Paths powers and he was healed.

Yes they can't die because Hagoromo who views the verse as a book revives them lmao. Karin could also say "it's not your time to die" while healing Sasuke. That doesn't make Karins regeneration Sasukes ability.

You’ve missed the Moon Presence argument, be aware that The Hunter doesn’t even know that the Moon Presence keeps reviving him. And I have more examples that already accepted in the wiki, Oni is reliant on Urotsuki. She will always come back, as Urotsuki re-creates her subconsciously. Subconsciously, seriously think about that. If you don’t agree, as Keef said above, make a CRT against Type 8 Immortality. Or else we’re running in circles since you don’t accept how other characters are granted Type 8 Immortality.

A character subconsciously reviving another character fits reliant ability. Hagoromo consciously walking up to player characters and reviving them does not same way any healer ever consciously healing their friends doesn't give them regeneration.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I disagree as well.

I don't understand this argument that since it's an ability that Naruto himself doesn't possess it means we can't categorise its effects on his profile. If someone provides Naruto these effects, with these effects being constant throughout their shown usages, then I don't see the issue in having them listed on his profile. Especially in the case of Type 8 Immortality, which is generally reliant on an object or concept that's completely independent from the existence of the character with that immortality.

Because it's not reliant immortality? I explained this like 5x, what exactly do you not understand?

Naruto doesn't have reliant immortality. Hagoromo revives everyone, same way any healer in fiction heals their friends, if they get KOed in story mode. Naruto can also still die so it's not constant and happens only during the story mode events which you personally play.

Hashirama died despite Hagoromo healing him in the first story mode mission, Naruto was going to die if he didn't get Kurama, Obito died despite Hagoromo healing him in his fight with Kaguya, etc.

And the argument that Hagoromo does this if it breaks the story doesn't help because the fights on this wiki don't take place in the Storm story.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Also, I edited a new proposition to the OP.

Unless there's evidence I missed during my storm 4 playthrough which wasn't mentioned yet, we currently only have evidence of Hagoromo healing KOed characters with pretty minor injuries, not resurrecting them from the dead. So if the complete removal gets rejected, the ability should still be nerfed to what we know canonically happens in the game.

 

[NaruRiasUzumaki]

I disagree FRA

 

[SlendVeny]

Wait, is this mechanic not just for Naruto, Kakashi, and Sasuke? I must just be good, because I only saw it twice in the game.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Wait, is this mechanic not just for Naruto, Kakashi, and Sasuke? I must just be good, because I only saw it twice in the game.

I thought so too, but looking at videos of guys who just suck ass (lol), and looking at Storm Connections. Pretty much everyone is reliant on Hagoromo bringing them back should their deaths break the story.

 

[SlendVeny]

I thought so too, but looking at videos of guys who just suck ass (lol), and looking at Storm Connections. Pretty much everyone is reliant on Hagoromo bringing them back should their deaths break the story.

Low 1-C Hag

 

[DavidTPPM]

Low 1-C Hag

That should unironically be the next CRT after this (unless the rules regarding L1-C changed since I last checked like half a year ago). Hagoromo seems to view the verse and it's timeline as a book.

Which makes this even funnier because if he were to get that profile made, it would mean every character who you play as in the games is essentially L1-C

 

[RanaProGamer]

That should unironically be the next CRT after this (unless the rules regarding L1-C changed since I last checked like half a year ago). Hagoromo seems to view the verse and it's timeline as a book.

Which makes this even funnier because if he were to get that profile made, it would mean every character who you play as in the games is essentially L1-C

Funny enough, I do have a sandbox of his profile. And got Docs for the CRT ready, though I am waiting for the game's official Encyclopedia to release since it might have something feat worthy. Though I am curious, what makes you say that everyone would be L1-C?

 

[DavidTPPM]

Funny enough, I do have a sandbox of his profile. And got Docs for the CRT ready, though I am waiting for the game's official Encyclopedia to release since it might have something feat worthy. Though I am curious, what makes you say that everyone would be L1-C?

Currently the profiles have Hagoromo revive and amp the player characters as long as Hagoromo exists. This means that unless the opponent kills Hagoromo (who would be L1-C), he will infinitely revive and boost Naruto. Meaning eventually either the opponent dies due to exhaustion or Naruto gets juiced up to L1-C himself (or any lower necessary tier). So everyone is not L1C physically at the start of the battle, but can't lose to anyone below L1-C because they have a character from that tier infinitely helping them.

Basically Hinata (6B) vs Goku (2C) would actually be Goku vs Hagoromo (L1C), and since Goku can't beat Hagoromo, Hinata will eventually get juiced up beyond 2C and one shot Goku.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Also do you have anything to prove Hagoromo can actually resurrect them or just regen them after they get KOed? Because so far even if the removal of Hagoromos help gets rejected, we only have evidence of Hagoromo healing KOed characters rather than resurrecting dead ones.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Currently the profiles have Hagoromo revive and amp the player characters as long as Hagoromo exists. This means that unless the opponent kills Hagoromo (who would be L1-C), he will infinitely revive and boost Naruto. Meaning eventually either the opponent dies due to exhaustion or Naruto gets juiced up to L1-C himself (or any lower necessary tier). So everyone is not L1C physically at the start of the battle, but can't lose to anyone below L1-C because they have a character from that tier infinitely helping them.

Basically Hinata (6B) vs Goku (2C) would actually be Goku vs Hagoromo (L1C), and since Goku can't beat Hagoromo, Hinata will eventually get juiced up beyond 2C and one shot Goku.

Oh ok, I thought your reasoning might've been that Hagoromo who is L1C gives half his powers to Naruto and Sasuke and they become L1C as well.

Also do you have anything to prove Hagoromo can actually resurrect them or just regen them after they get KOed? Because so far even if the removal of Hagoromos help gets rejected, we only have evidence of Hagoromo healing KOed characters rather than resurrecting dead ones.

I'd say my strongest argument is that whenever Hagoromo comes to revive. They appear to be in the Pure Lands, as opposed to "the space between reality and afterlife" per Hagoromo's words when he spoke to Naruto and Sasuke. And they don't appear to be in the mental space either since it has a different background scheme. Also might be worth noting that how Hags comes to revive and how he healed up Naruto and Sasuke happened differently despite it being stated, even in Connections, that they were that were on the brink of death.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Oh ok, I thought your reasoning might've been that Hagoromo who is L1C gives half his powers to Naruto and Sasuke and they become L1C as well.

Nah I think that just means Ghost Hagoromo >>>alive Hagoromo.

I'd say my strongest argument is that whenever Hagoromo comes to revive. They appear to be in the Pure Lands, as opposed to "the space between reality and afterlife" per Hagoromo's words when he spoke to Naruto and Sasuke. And they don't appear to be in the mental space either since it has a different background scheme. Also might be worth noting that how Hags comes to revive and how he healed up Naruto and Sasuke happened differently despite it being stated, even in Connections, that they were that were on the brink of death.

Yes but if they did die and got resurrected, people like Madara who can see chakra and whatnot should see them die and get healed. Yet nobody ever acknowledges this, meaning either it's not canon or they don't actually die.

BTW I still think they shouldn't have it at all since its not that they have some Hagoromo related resurrection, but that Hagoromo consciously comes and heals them. But whether he resurrects them completely or just heals is pretty important as well because like, if they get completely obliterated simple healing won't save them which would still remove the ridiculous smurf levels every storm 4 character currently has.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Nah I think that just means Ghost Hagoromo >>>alive Hagoromo.

Yeah, but isn't it Ghost Hags who gave half his powers to Naruto and Sasuke.

Yes but if they did die and got resurrected, people like Madara who can see chakra and whatnot should see them die and get healed. Yet nobody ever acknowledges this, meaning either it's not canon or they don't actually die.

Madara actually can't do that in the game. When Naruto saves Guy, Madara couldn't believe it and had no explanation for it, hell he couldn't even confirm if Guy was dead, Naruto straight up told him that he saved him. Cuz he theorized that Guy's chakra would burn out and he'd turn to dust. And then says that something happened to Naruto and Sasuke after they attained Six Paths but can't explain how. Naruto and Sasuke received Six Paths chakra and were healed but Madara couldn't see it. Here's how the whole thing played out, you can see that Madara is clueless.

BTW I still think they shouldn't have it at all since its not that they have some Hagoromo related resurrection, but that Hagoromo consciously comes and heals them. But whether he resurrects them completely or just heals is pretty important as well because like, if they get completely obliterated simple healing won't save them which would still remove the ridiculous smurf levels every storm 4 character currently has.

I will agree with you on one point, assuming they could heal from anything would be NFL on his resurrection. He might only be able to bring them if there body is still intact as assuming anything above that would be headcanon. We know Sasuke had his heart stabbed through, so that's likely the limit.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah, but isn't it Ghost Hags who gave half his powers to Naruto and Sasuke.

Idk. Maybe it's like, some projection of Hagoromo or an avatar rather than the real Hags himself? Otherwise Naruto and Sasuke should scale to him but they are still just a part of the book to him.

I will agree with you on one point, assuming they could heal from anything would be NFL on his resurrection. He might only be able to bring them if there body is still intact as assuming anything above that would be headcanon. We know Sasuke had his heart stabbed through, so that's likely the limit.

So it should probably still at least get a downgrade to regeneration rather than complete resurrection.

Which is nice since now he's actually usable in threads against other 4-A characters without being a ridiculous L1C smurf .

 

[DavidTPPM]

Bump (I can't post anything until this gets done )

 

[DavidTPPM]

This can be closed for now. I'll open a new one to nerf it down to just healing later when the Storm Connections CRTs are done (I have to finish SC first as well)