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Starcraft Discussion Thread

Tomfer said:
I'll be joining the discord soon (and continue that blog I sent you a long while ago).
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Yeah, basically start playing welcome to the jungle, because the verse is being sent to the Void and your boy is gonna repeat what he did to Blizzard's other famous RTS.

Essentially, all I'm missing is a second staff member and two calc group members: One to do the calcs and one to review them. We have the manpower needed to make profiles since there isn't a big rush like I had when Arthas appeared on Death Battle.
 
Diamond_Drone said:
I have been slowly reworking my calcs given how old and terrible they are. So far I've got...
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Cool, I may use this for her AP since straight up she seems to harm things she can psiblast.

For the record I don't buy there being a UES for Starcraft, so we'd be going without.
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Fair warning the High Templar thing is probably going to be just hax for them, might even go as far as to give them unknown physicals lol
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Tier 8 consistency grows, they're probably still going to be 7-C from getting nuked and just shrugging it off, but it is VERY nice to have tier 8 support feats.
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These are about the only ones I think are decent so far, and that's like not even half of my blogs for StarCraft...
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I can hopefully get your blogs evaluated as you remake them, so that will be fine.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Cool, I may use this for her AP since straight up she seems to harm things she can psiblast.

For the record I don't buy there being a UES for Starcraft, so we'd be going without.

Fair warning the High Templar thing is probably going to be just hax for them, might even go as far as to give them unknown physicals lol

Tier 8 consistency grows, they're probably still going to be 7-C from getting nuked and just shrugging it off, but it is VERY nice to have tier 8 support feats.

I can hopefully get your blogs evaluated as you remake them, so that will be fine.
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I haven't decided on if Psionic powers are Limited, Non-Physical, or outright Universal. As it tends to vary depending on who uses it. For Ghosts and Specters, it tends to be limited ish in which it can be used for powerful nuke tier special attacks. But doesn't amp physical stats to that level; and it can be used to make bullets stronger and faster, but still not quite nuke tier.

But for Protoss, there are more arguments for being universal. Psionic Powers are literally just about everything for Protoss, including physical strength and speed. As for Zerg, they're kind of unique when it comes to energy system status. Psionic Powers are what Hiveminds use to amplify their population control, stronger it grows, the more minions they can control and the larger areas than can control. And they physically amplify the strength of their minions (For example, Zerglings controlled by a strong Hivemind can be much stronger than ones controlled by weaker Hiveminds). But the ironic thing is that they themselves aren't physically that strong (Save maybe durability/healing factors being effected). And Kerrigan is pretty much the only Zerg who can truly use it to amplify physical strength on par with various Protoss Heroes. While at the same time; she can share it with her swarm. And the physical strength of most Zerg is dependent on how potent the Hivemind's psionic powers are. Primal Zerg do NOT possess Psionic powers. But instead, they have pure muscular strength that is often noted as comparable to Kerrigan's or various Protoss heroes with psionic amplifications taken into account.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
I haven't decided on if Psionic powers are Limited, Non-Physical, or outright Universal. As it tends to vary depending on who uses it. For Ghosts and Specters, it tends to be limited ish in which it can be used for powerful nuke tier special attacks. But doesn't amp physical stats to that level; and it can be used to make bullets stronger and faster, but still not quite nuke tier.

But for Protoss, there are more arguments for being universal. Psionic Powers are literally just about everything for Protoss, including physical strength and speed. As for Zerg, they're kind of unique when it comes to energy system status. Psionic Powers are what Hiveminds use to amplify their population control, stronger it grows, the more minions they can control and the larger areas than can control. And they physically amplify the strength of their minions (For example, Zerglings controlled by a strong Hivemind can be much stronger than ones controlled by weaker Hiveminds). But the ironic thing is that they themselves aren't physically that strong (Save maybe durability/healing factors being effected). And Kerrigan is pretty much the only Zerg who can truly use it to amplify physical strength on par with various Protoss Heroes. While at the same time; she can share it with her swarm. And the physical strength of most Zerg is dependent on how potent the Hivemind's psionic powers are. Primal Zerg do NOT possess Psionic powers. But instead, they have pure muscular strength that is often noted as comparable to Kerrigan's or various Protoss heroes with psionic amplifications taken into account.
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We'll see where the chips fall when it comes to UES, that psychic powers page that WILL happen is going to be a long one split into at least 3 sections(for Terran, Zerg, and Protoss) with little overlap.

Notice how I said AT LEAST 3 sections, I haven't decided if Void powers are going on that page or the profiles themselves yet.
 
Something worth noting is that the Leviathan has apparently been called "Moon size" and, according to the terrain domain, is 11km long. It is larger than a Mothership, but smaller than an arkship.
Source Starcraft 2 wiki

This can defeltly be useful for future calcs.
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
Something worth noting is that the Leviathan has apparently been called "Moon size" and, according to the terrain domain, is 11km long. It is larger than a Mothership, but smaller than an arkship.
Source Starcraft 2 wiki

This can defeltly be useful for future calcs.
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Yeah uh... we know. We literally have access to the book that came from.
 
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Tychus outside of the armor is strong as hell BTW
 
And for the record, 8-C is not gonna scale to anyone anymore. Psionic Storms from High Templar literally **** up Battlecruisers.

And before people ask what's gonna happen to High 6-A, well basically only Primal Kerrigan, Narud, and Hybrid Amon scale to that shit. Heroes like Artanis, Stukov, and Alarak are going 7-C with Ultralisks and Hybrid.

But Artanis could have killed her and the hybrid in LotV--
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You mean while she had been fighting for several days and was weakened to the point Hybrid she could previously one-shot and no-sell in a weaker key were a legit threat to her?
 
Another FYI, Psionic Storm was actually lowballed given the description of "Destroying foes on an atomic level." Which would imply atomization of those Zerglings may have been legit. And it does negate durability, but even so. The fact that it causes larger scale devastations in canon and even in gameplay, it might be best to interpret High Templar as glass cannons. Archons already upscale from Battlecruisers and shit, but anything High Templar can do, Archons can do better + they have better versions of Psionic Storms.

And yeah, I agree. I always kind of had doubts about Protoss Heroes being equal with Primal Queen of Blades when Kerrigan being the strongest character in the SC universe besides Narud and Amon has always seemed consistent since the end of Brood War. Not to mention, in Wings of Liberty, she literally oneshots everyone and everything with her Psionic Implosion/Crushing Grip. Despite most Protoss Heroes officially not being as physically strong as Carriers and what not.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Another FYI, Psionic Storm was actually lowballed given the description of "Destroying foes on an atomic level." Which would imply atomization of those Zerglings may have been legit. And it does negate durability, but even so. The fact that it causes larger scale devastations in canon and even in gameplay, it might be best to interpret High Templar as glass cannons. Archons already upscale from Battlecruisers and shit, but anything High Templar can do, Archons can do better + they have better versions of Psionic Storms.
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Archons are weird as hell. Keep in mind the three tiers of ships/heavy walkers are those who are 7-C, those who are 7-C, possibly High 6-C, and those who are High 6-C.

Admittedly though, scaling to Alarak makes Artanis in the second category.
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And yeah, I agree. I always kind of had doubts about Protoss Heroes being equal with Primal Queen of Blades when Kerrigan being the strongest character in the SC universe besides Narud and Amon has always seemed consistent since the end of Brood War. Not to mention, in Wings of Liberty, she literally oneshots everyone and everything with her Psionic Implosion/Crushing Grip. Despite most Protoss Heroes officially not being as physically strong as Carriers and what not.
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I do fully intend to separate Kerrigan's powers and her physicals, but like, outside of her first human key she's 7-C physically, and Primal Queen of Blades has Narud and Mengsk to scale her physicals to her powers.
 
Here's what I have so far:

Question marks mean I'm guessing based on what I know but haven't researched enough to be certain.

9-A(Scaling from Hydralisks): Terran Infantry, Hydralisks, other smaller zerg?
High 8-C(Scaling from being able to tank non-direct blasts from Banelings, since their full blasts are 8-B): Zealots(Did the feat), Vultures(No feat against Zealots? If ya'll remember one...), Goliaths, Dragoon physicals(Superior to standard Zealots), Zergling AP(Can damage Dragoons, Zealots, HTs, etcetera) Marine guns(Pushed back some Zealots), High Templar Physicals
8-B: Stalkers, Dragoons, Immortal physical durability, Mid-tier Zerg
7-C, At most High 6-C(Hybrid are referred to as the Ultimate Weapon of the Final War, making them possibly inferior to Leviathans, and Ultralisks tank nukes without being bothered): Hybrid, Ultralisks, Brutalisks, BCs, Any Purification Protoss Starship, QoB Kerrigan(Can one-shot battlecruisers with her psionic blasts), Zeratul(Could take one of QoB's attacks without dying), Artanis(While possessed by Amon, lethally injured Zeratul, also fought a Hybrid and was pretty casually able to dominate it, Also comparable to Alarak), Alarak(Utterly shocked Vorazun with his sheer psychic might, implying him to be in the upper echelons of Toss), Talandar(Fought Hybrid), Stukov(Fought Hybrid, second in power in the Swarm), Dehaka/Zagara?
High 6-C: Leviathans and the Spear of Adun.
High 6-A: Primal Kerrigan, Narud, Amon Hybrid form

Edit: LMFAO talked with Not Icarus and found stuff for 8-B Protoss Walkers
 
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Oh, and for 7-C, At most High 6-C Scaling Chain: Siege Tank shots(Considered a defense against the Hybrid)<<Ultralisks~<Hybrid~BCs(Valerian literally deploys them to fight Hybrid)~High Templar Psionics<<<Queen of Blades(Can literally just one-shot BCs if you're stupid enough to throw them at her in All In)>=Zeratul(Tanked a Psiblast from Kerrigan, though was injured)<<Artanis~Alarak
 
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