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Agreed. Without Vaapad, Windu is more-or-less on the level of Obi-Wan and below RotS Anakin.
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Star Wars and a Revision About The Force
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Wasn't he also amped by it when dooku fought him
Same dooku who fought yoda twice?
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Vapaad per the novel is a reactive power boost
Vapaad when Mace fully mastered it allowed him to match Sidious' strength because it was basically just looping his power back at him. Mace wouldn't be as strong, and wasn't as strong, when he fought Dooku or his former allies with the technique.
The first time Dooku ran away and the second time while Dooku was amped by a darkside nexus and Yoda was hindered he was still beaten rather definitively. Scaling him to a full power Yoda or Sidious is very questionable.
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Also he was amped in the comic?
I don't remember that unless dooku and yoda rematch ed another time
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Hm so windu is almost every time amped
Dooku ran away yeah but he still had overall an close Fight
Also he was amped in the comic?
I don't remember that unless dooku and yoda rematch ed another time
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They fought in Dark Rendezvous
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Ah so yeah were talking about an different Fight
I was talking about this first scan
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That first scan only shows part of the fight and not the entire fight period.
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Is somebody willing to handle this, and is there anything left to do here afterwards?
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Meh could have looked for the whole comic Fight but didn't bother
Him clashing anf dameging yoda should be enough
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They're equals in the Force and Yoda is the better duelist, so Dooku retreating shouldn't affect his parity with Yoda when it comes to Force power. Lucas supports AOTC Dooku = AOTC Yoda, which EU sources repeat a lot.
Yoda uses the Vjun nexus against Dooku, too. Early in the novel, Scout, Malreux and Anakin are all seen using the nexus' power to boost themselves.
Lucas did line-edit and approve the ROTS novel, so it shouldn't be much of a problem to apply the context of the novel. Gillard also states that Palpatine could've beaten Mace if he really wanted to.
It's noted that Mace had already mastered Vaapad by 22BBY, in the novel Shatterpoint. Vaapad also proves ineffective four out of the five times Mace fights a dark sider. So the difference here should be that Sidious is more prone to be haxxed by Vaapad due to his far more aggressive nature.
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I wouldn't say they're equals when Yoda is a match for Palpatine who's notably above Dooku. The idea that they're direct equals also doesn't work when Anakin can't see Sidious' combat speed but Yoda is able to fight him evenly for a rather long period of time.
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Meh sw sounds Like an inconsistency when dooku clearly keep up with yoda
The fact there are 25 scans that calls anakin strongest jedi kinda supports this idea
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I believe ByAsura (I think?) will make a Legends revision thread soon, while Canon has been completed unless someone has new stuff to bring up.
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Palpatine is above both Yoda and Dooku, but not by much. I guess going by the wiki's standard, it would mean they share the same tier. Anakin not perceiving them might be related to the state they're in (superconducting loop of the dark side) and not necessarily power or lack of perception. When you get to that high level of fighting, you actually don't have to see them with your eyes, you can fight them via sensing/instinct. The novel explicitly notes that Anakin can sense both of them fighting and Anakin have more C and G-canon accolades over Yoda and Mace than they have over him from more important and varied sources, including one saying that Anakin is faster and stronger in that same novel.
Anakin also does this to Mace:
In the novel alone you have:
Anakin stated to be the fastest and strongest Jedi at the beginning, as well as the "best at what he does."
Both Dooku (fought a full power Yoda twice, arguably thrice) and Sidious agree that Anakin is > Yoda and Mace before the duel on the Invisible Hand.
Palpatine tells the Council that Anakin only managed to kill Dooku because Dooku got overconfident and lowered his guard. Despite Anakin being severely downplayed by Sidious in this situation, Mace believes that Anakin fluking Dooku is enough to potentially make him more powerful than every Jedi alive, and no one present, Yoda included, disagrees with him.
Kolar believes that Anakin is the Jedi's best hope to survive an encounter with the other Sith Lord, not Yoda or Mace.
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Okay. Thank you for the reply.
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