the easiest solution is to just scale force users to the feats they consistently perform and highlight the ones that are much stronger than the rest as separate from what they normally do via more concentration amp ect.
This is the best solution in my opinion. Something like: At least X level to establish the bare minimum they can do, possibly/likely far higher or 'higher with a good state of mind/preparation' to put feats that are above what the character can normally do or that were performed in dubious circumstances, or that require preparation time or better concentration.
Obi-Wan achieving a buddha state of mind against MFV is a good example. Jacen's god-like Oneness. Luke's SSJ modes, etc.
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Sorry for the long post. Consider this a mid-sized rant.
This is a case against it being implemented for Legends. I'm neutral on it being implemented on canon. I have nothing against it being implemented for canon because the gaps are very small, allowing it to be credible enough.
We have to differentiate mediums before anything. TCW does that on purpose. George instructed Filoni to make Force users weaker when compared to the old Clone Wars series. That's simply why they are weaker.
Arguments about places of power (only when the narrative suggests a nexus) or mental state work pretty well in the great picture of Legends, but TCW does this on purpose.
They want Force users to struggle against normal characters, and a lot of authors share the same idea, such as Karen Traviss. I believe Filoni even stated that Dooku, without his lightsaber, could only defeat around fifteen pirates before going to heck.
Compare that to this:
or this:
Palpatine doesn't believe that the entire CIS army plus Grievous can even stand a chance against Anakin or Dooku. Are all of these characters nerfing themselves to the point where they are either as weak as a normal human or as strong as an army
on purpose? Even when the narrative never suggests that? Or are the authors just having different interpretations of different things?
You either have a weak or strong character when it comes to Legends. Trying to find a middle ground will not appease either side because you're essentially saying that a character jumps from human level to continental level as they wish. Places of power are only relevant when a source (IU or OOU) states that said place is strong in the Force. Their mental state is only relevant when the narrative subtextually or directly affirms/implies it.
Boba Fett is an example a lot of people use. Because pressing post-ROTS Obi-Wan, challenging near ROTS Mace Windu, defeating Rahm Kota, fighting Darth Vader (
by Vader’s own admission and statements, Boba Fett actually pulls out the win) and
being capable of killing Caedus are all definitely the deeds of a very weak fighter who only wins because the opponent allows him to win. Let's forget about Fett's grip strength being enough to hold onto a ship flying full speed in the vacuum of space, him stomping two early-Starkiller level opponents while injured, him drawing his blaster faster than ROTJ Luke could react and Jaina going directly to him for advice on how to kill Caedus.
Jango defeating Komari Vosa, someone who can mind-dominate millions of people (requires one of the largest gaps in the mythos) and reanimate corpses. Jango pressing Obi-Wan so hard, the latter even acknowledges the entire situation almost turned into a complete disaster for him.
Mace acknowledging that Jango can cream him in a second.
"Jango Fett bristles with weapons. An instinctive killer: the deadliest man in the galaxy. Jango can kill me in less than a second. I know it. Even if I had never seen Kenobi's report from Kamino, I can feel the violence Jango radiates: in the Force, a pulsar of death."
Screenplay:
Finally, FETT is free and kills the REEK. MACE WINDU fights fiercely with JANGO FETT. Finally, the bounty hunter falls. His helmet goes flying. The bounty hunter's body falls to the ground.
Novel:
He was stopped by the reek. Unable to distinguish friend from foe, the reek bore down on Jango. He scored a couple of hits, but they hardly slowed the beast, and he was tossed away. The reek charged him, trying to stomp him as he rolled about desperately. Jango was fast, though. Every time he came around, he fired again, and again, his bolts burrowing into the furious reek's belly.
Finally, the huge bullish creature swayed, and Jango wisely rolled out the far side, opposite Mace, as the beast collapsed.The Jedi was on him immediately, lightsaber weaving through the air. Jango dodged and lifted into the air with his rockets, trying to keep one step ahead of that deadly blade and to occasionally fire a bolt at Mace.
The man was good, Mace had to admit. Very good, and more than once the Jedi had to parry desperately to turn a bolt aside. He kept up his offensive flurry, though, keeping Jango on the defensive with sudden stabs and slashing cuts.
One misstep...And then it happened, all of a sudden. Mace started to slash to the left, cut it short and stabbed straight out, then reversed his grip and sent the lightsaber slashing across, left to right. He spun a complete circuit, coming around to parry a blaster shot, but there was no shot forthcoming.That left to right reversal had cleanly landed. Jango Fett's head flew free of his shoulders and fell out of his helmet, to settle in the dirt.
No character ever thinks "well, I wasn't at full power so it's ok," everyone that fought Jango/Boba acknowledges one of two things: that they lost or that it was a close call. The rest can't say anything because they're dead. Boba and Jango performing on the same level across various authors and mediums, which is a miracle in and of itself for a Legends character. So, are Boba and Jango only doing this because these Force users allowing themselves to be beaten to death, or are Boba and Jango good enough to do those things with their own strength?
It's not that rickety 12 foot ladder the wiki's standing on that's the main problem, it's the 900-foot building it decided to perch on in the first place. Years ago, people decided that it was a good idea to scale Force users to solar system level. So when someone talks about a non-Force user character scaling to them, people will immediately consider "but then he'll be a solar system buster," instead of "maybe we shouldn't be scaling Force users to that level in the first place."
I don't blame the people who came up with those tiers, and I am not mocking them in any shape or form. You can reach that conclusion using canonical sources, but it requires you to muster up the courage for a lot of logical leaps, such as TPM Sidious shaking stars, Thon > Ambria > Sith Corsair, Natheema/Ziost > Valley of the Jedi or Valkorion > Darkstaff.
Moon to planet level you have with all the Charal and Shadowstone/Sunstar stuff. Planet surface you have with Force storms and Valkorion. Star level conventional Force users is a big, fat logical leap.
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