Star Guardian Re-tiering

[Ricsi-viragosi]

So, everyone agreed that Low 2-C wasn't the right tier for them.

Since it was agreed that not "all alt timelines are equal to each other unless shown or stated otherwise", I would like some scans to put on Zoe's profile.

Yes, I do mean scans. Her OG has proper justifications, her new version would also. Nothing major, since she is apparently shown using real constellations as playthings.

I would just, you know, put a quotation or such for a claim like that since saying it alone makes it definitely sound like it's not a real costellation.


PS: Paddle Star is this, so that skill is not doing much as reasoning.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Its already been agreed to downgrade them to High 4-C from the discussion thread, not sure why you needed to make another thread

 

[Rocker1189]

She still jumps constellations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sB4etzBXDg

That is enough proof.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Because I would like proper scans.

And call me an asshole, but why would those be considered real starts? Her Paddle Star is blatantly not real, and those don't have a tenth of the properties of a star.

 

[Rocker1189]

Her paddle star just like the constellations, ingame are very obviously not shown to be normal sized..........................................................Dude Aurelion Sol created the stars of the universe, what a surprise in game his stars are not star sized.

Also that video you posted is not a paddle star, it is just her normal attack animations. They dont have the properties of normal stars because she corrupted them.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Her paddle star just like the constellations, ingame are very obviously not shown to be normal sized..........................................................Dude Aurelion Sol created the starr of the universe, what a surprise in game his stars are not star sized.
Also that video you posted is not a paddle star, it is just her normal attack animations.

My problem is not just in-game, obviously. My problem is that her ability is shown in an animated fight scene as a palm sized, unrealistic star

And Aurelion not really being there, let alone being that big, why couldn't Star Guardian Zoe's stars not be real and instead be what they were animated like for the fight scene?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The star does become head sized after it's thrown, my bad.

 

[Rocker1189]

My problem is not just in-game, obviously. My problem is that her ability is shown in an animated fight scene as a palm sized, unrealistic star

And Aurelion not really being there, let alone being that big, why couldn't Star Guardian Zoe's stars not be real and instead be what they were animated like for the fight scene?

Aurelion, not being that big? what? He is literally capable to growing to the size of an entire galaxy. Because yet again she shares the same properties of her base self.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Aurelion, not being that big? what? He is literally capable to growing to the size of an entire galaxy. Because yet again she shares the same properties of her base self.

I am referring to the fact that he isn't in Star Guardians lore, let alone being galaxy sized.

Because, as you agreed, without proof the OG doesn't automatically scale, so I don't see why her star would be real when it's potrayed by the animators as not real for the fight scene.

 

[Rocker1189]

I am referring to the fact that he isn't in Star Guardians lore, let alone being galaxy sized.

Because, as you agreed, without proof the OG doesn't automatically scale, so I don't see why her star would be real when it's potrayed by the animators as not real for the fight scene.

Because again, that star is her basic attack, which are not stars but have that exact shape, it did not even paddle, like she does with the paddle star.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

That's not much reason for her stars to be real. I mean, even OG Zoe would have the whole thing with how the starts aren't realistic. Her tier is the same obviously be virtue of her being able to do what she can, restricting Aurelion, but I don't think there is no proof what she trhows is mass of plasma and gas with it's own gravity.


But Star pme doesn't scale or have any feats with anyone on that level.

 

[Rocker1189]

That's not much reason for her stars to be real. I mean, even OG Zoe would have the whole thing with how the starts aren't realistic. Her tier is the same obviously be virtue of her being able to do what she can, restricting Aurelion, but I don't think there is no proof what she trhows is mass of plasma and gas with it's own gravity.


But Star pme doesn't scale or have any feats with anyone on that level.

Except the fact that she literally binds hm up with constellations? I think that is more than enough proof that she does exactly that.

Because Star Guardian Zoe is at least as powerful as her base skin, sharing the same abilities and traits except corrupted and the whole First Star thing.

 

[RegisNex1232]

It would be nice if there was more than just the base assumption of AU self = OG self without any evidence. OG Zoe actually has scaling from Aspects and Aurelion Sol, Star Guardian Zoe has no such things unless you arbitrarily decide she does.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

AU Zoe has tier 4 feats of her own, she's not just scaling from OG Zoe

 

[RegisNex1232]

AU Zoe has tier 4 feats of her own, she's not just scaling from OG Zoe

Which are?

 

[Deerofdreams]

just a little thing to add that may or may not be dumb but

Dark star thresh and many other dark stars have shown a very distincct interest with the star guardian universe

dark star thresh wanted SG jinx to become a dark star

according to all i know about the dark star is that it doesnt really corrupt cosmic characters because it wants to they are just whats left over when the dark star destroys shit the only champs who are said to be corrupted or just straight up new entities are dark star thresh and jhin the rest are all just remnant of different places

thresh wanting SG jinx means that thresh might see the SG as quite a great source of power because why would thresh care about a star level entity when the dark star cassually ***** out multiversal threats

plus a dark star ingame said "mmmm i would love to go to your universe" (not exact quote) when it saw a SG

characters who are star level like A Sol are laughed off as fodder and not even given a chance to come over to the dark star

so why would the dark stars be interested in the SG if they werent powerful

i just wanted to add this because i found it interesting