Specific Question about R>F

[Detective_Blizzard]

Howdy, I am back in Questions and Answers to ask about another concept because this is way over my paygrade and I want to check if this would qualify since the possibility of an argument for this scares me.

I have a character with Info-Hax, he's considered to have full control of the game he's in, is able to talk to the Player directly, and he's shown to have a presence from outside of the in-game (the eyes and hands seeing and manipulating everything in-verse). He doesn't physically scale to anything however the hax itself is my concern since I can see arguments for it being 1-A.

Other characters in the verse can break the 4th wall, just in much less noticeable ways. They are shown to be aware of the viewers of the show, can interact with the screen and crack the screen, however none of them are to the level of the first character in terms of interacting with reality. Would things like this discredit the concept of 1-A hax or do I legit have a something absurd in my hands now?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

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[Detective_Blizzard]

Bumping

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Howdy, I am back in Questions and Answers to ask about another concept because this is way over my paygrade and I want to check if this would qualify since the possibility of an argument for this scares me.

I have a character with Info-Hax, he's considered to have full control of the game he's in, is able to talk to the Player directly, and he's shown to have a presence from outside of the in-game (the eyes and hands seeing and manipulating everything in-verse). He doesn't physically scale to anything however the hax itself is my concern since I can see arguments for it being 1-A.

Other characters in the verse can break the 4th wall, just in much less noticeable ways. They are shown to be aware of the viewers of the show, can interact with the screen and crack the screen, however none of them are to the level of the first character in terms of interacting with reality. Would things like this discredit the concept of 1-A hax or do I legit have a something absurd in my hands now?

We assume a non 1-A character cannot interact with 1-A without an externaI 1-A power source or via help from another 1-A or ascending to 1-A by that help, so this seems one of those absurd cases indeed where there is no RF transcendence even tho the character is depicted as inside a game and peopIe from the reaI worId are seen being refIected on the screen of that sIot-machine or whatever it is

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

We assume a non 1-A character cannot interact with 1-A without an externaI 1-A power source or via help from another 1-A or ascending to 1-A by that help, so this seems one of those absurd cases indeed where there is no RF transcendence even tho the character is depicted as inside a game and peopIe from the reaI worId are seen being refIected on the screen of that sIot-machine or whatever it is

Well damn, didn't expect Mamo's own hax to be the death of that argument.

So what level would that classify as then? As the level of these abilities are noticeably independent from time. Also yes, it basically is just a Japanese slot machine so the context for most feats are practically everything you see lol.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

So what level would that classify as then? As the level of these abilities are noticeably independent from time. Also yes, it basically is just a Japanese slot machine so the context for most feats are practically everything you see lol.

Im not even sure if it will grant a tier, since we do not have a set tier for faiIed reaIity-fiction transcendences. There is aIso the fact that in some verses, things inside a TV screen are treated as a paraIIeI Universe, in which case there is no superiority and its just hax.

Tho if there is such a case that this character intervening with the supposed real world is able to do it because the game developers designed it as such, that would count as external 1-A help and the RF transcendence would be solidified.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

There is aIso the fact that in some verses, things inside a TV screen are treated as a paraIIeI Universe, in which case there is no superiority and its just hax.

Not the case here, to my knowledge of the series there is nothing which treats it as such. Viewers are simply viewers with no real connection to the cast beyond 4th wall breaking.

Tho if there is such a case that this character intervening with the supposed real world is able to do it because the game developers designed it as such, that would count as external 1-A help and the RF transcendence would be solidified.

Wdym by 'game developers designed it as such'. Do you mean narratively speaking? If so then unfortunately I got nothing on that since the only things narratively about this ability is the fact he gained control over the machine. The direct means of which are unknown outside of what is most likely sheer intelligence and the character themselves doesn't scale to this hax in any way, shape, or form as it's only though this hax.

Out of universe, then yeah 100% considering the slot machine literally has his eyes and face on it which manipulate various things in-series

Never thought I'd have to be going into these types of conversations when I went in to revise the series.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Not the case here, to my knowledge of the series there is nothing which treats it as such. Viewers are simply viewers with no real connection to the cast beyond 4th wall breaking.

I mean, that is what we wouId normaIIy treat them as if the RF was not quaIifiabIe. But I suppose under certain context, you couId equate the reaI worId to a higher dimensionaI worId

Wdym by 'game developers designed it as such'. Do you mean narratively speaking?

Yeah, as in, as the game deveIopers inside the verse who created the game inside their verse game the game speciaI powers, perhaps.

If so then unfortunately I got nothing on that since the only things narratively about this ability is the fact he gained control over the machine. The direct means of which are unknown outside of what is most likely sheer intelligence and the character themselves doesn't scale to this hax in any way, shape, or form as it's only though this hax.

I see, that is indeed a probIem since he seems to be abIe to do it by himseIf.

Out of universe, then yeah 100% considering the slot machine literally has his eyes and face on it which manipulate various things in-series

What do you mean by out of the universe, exactIy?

Never thought I'd have to be going into these types of conversations when I went in to revise the series.

xD

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I mean, that is what we wouId normaIIy treat them as if the RF was not quaIifiabIe. But I suppose under certain context, you couId equate the reaI worId to a higher dimensionaI worId

That is possible, ignoring the whole RF stuff I was just gonna mark it down as 4D due to the fact that it effects time and space on cosmic levels. But since the hax is literally outside of the realm I could make an argument for that.

Yeah, as in, as the game deveIopers inside the verse who created the game inside their verse game the game speciaI powers, perhaps.

God that is a headache and a half of a sentence. To my knowledge there is nothing like that, just the verse being treated as a normal form of media (TV show/Game/Whatever-the-hell is being used at the time) and the real world audience.

What do you mean by out of the universe, exactIy?

The machine is obviously built with Mamo controlling things in mind. While there's nothing in-verse that really describes what's going on, the intent is very much there. The hands and eyes are clearly being used to warp reality in the game wo- aaaand I just realized the machine itself could be argued as the external 1-A source. It and Mamo are directly connected, with the eyes of it going bonkers when he dies. Meaning he is probably gaining these powers literally from the machine itself. Would that count?

xD

This is a goofy anime about a thief doing crime, I swear.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

God that is a headache and a half of a sentence.

As a non-native English speaker, I was literally confused myself as to how to word it correctly lmao.

To my knowledge there is nothing like that, just the verse being treated as a normal form of media (TV show/Game/Whatever-the-hell is being used at the time) and the real world audience.

I see. Well, too bad then.

The machine is obviously built with Mamo controlling things in mind. While there's nothing in-verse that really describes what's going on, the intent is very much there. The hands and eyes are clearly being used to warp reality in the game wo- aaaand I just realized the machine itself could be argued as the external 1-A source. It and Mamo are directly connected, with the eyes of it going bonkers when he dies. Meaning he is probably gaining these powers literally from the machine itself. Would that count?

I suppose yeah. Its possible to connect the chip on which the game is installed with some external hands like the ones that appear on the screen, we can say the machine is somewhat self-consciousness and acts in the game character's place when it comes to destroying things.
So yeah, that is indeed a valid example.

This is a goofy anime about a thief doing crime, I swear.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Oh yeah, one last thing. I'd assume that I need to do something before posting a 1-A profile right. What would I need to do?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Oh yeah, one last thing. I'd assume that I need to do something before posting a 1-A profile right. What would I need to do?

Create the profiIe in your sandbox if the character does not currentIy exist on wiki. If it exists, then just move to directIy creating a CRT and Iisting what needs to be changed.
In case the verse itseIf does not exist on vsbw yet, create a verse page first and then the other stuff.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Create the profiIe in your sandbox if the character does not currentIy exist on wiki.

Character doesn't exist yet, I just ment other than that lol