Soul Calibur CRT: Handling Scaling

[Flashlight237]

Okay, so the Soul Calibur series is currently outdated. So, as the verse stands, the verse repeated cross-references characters for powerscaling without pointing at calcs or scans. This stalled CRT has a debate that provides scans for higher-tier characters like Abyss and Algol: https://vsbattles.com/threads/soul-calibur-potential-ap-changes-original-timeline.165100/

Now, Algol, I'm completely fine with. He definitely should be getting at least 5-B with a potential 4-A rating from our starry sky common feat given his level of control over the Astral Chaos. Obviously, he gets to keep that.

However, as things are, there are no explanations for how characters are High 6-A, High 6-C, or 6-B. Some profiles bring up something called a Conduit, but without scans, how the heck is the wiki supposed to know that thing even exists?

While arguments presented in the linked CRT will provide buffs, the rating for Abyss causing a solar eclipse is based on the Moon's GBE, which... Yeah, no. The thing about eclipses is they're based on how the moon moves. The stage description for Abyss' stage didn't even go "Oh yeah, this guy just created another moon lmao.": https://vsbattles.com/threads/soul-...changes-original-timeline.165100/post-6400868

It's just an ambiguous explanation as to how an eclipse just appeared.

As such, creating an eclipse would involve moving the moon, which of course means overcoming the moon's KE. The moon's orbital speed is 1022 m/s, and the moon's mass is 7.346*10^22 kg. As such, this is the moon's KE:

7.346*10^22*1022²/2=3.836389732*10^28 joules; 9.16919152*10^18 tons of TNT.

This rating isn't 5-C; in fact, it doesn't even qualify for High 6-A+. It's less than a third of what we have for 5-C. As such, the feat would be at plain ol' 6-A. Even so, the stage description makes no mention of Abyss moving the moon. It doesn't even make mention of the moon at all; it's just a vague description of how the world got enveloped in darkness.

The stage description is more direct about Abyss causing an earthquake that made heat rise up from the Earth. The best equivalent we have for such a thing would be Yellowstone, a volcano that had erupted with a VEI-8 eruption (equivalent to 20 gigatons of TNT, which is Island level; 6-C) and a volcano that experts are afraid would erupt again. Aside from that, nothing in the Mercalli scale indicates anything heat-related in earthquakes.

There are meteors milling about in the background of the stage itself, which I believe provides more support to the Yellowstone-equivalent earthquake as the meteors have no indication of having come from space, but that's just a guess.

In regards to AP calcs, I was only able to find two blogs, which are here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Some_Soul_Calibur_Feats
And here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mr._Bambu/Soul_Calibur_Calc:_Big_Nasty_Boom

In Kepekley's case, the Tier 6 parts were rejected by Mr. Bambu because he didn't feel KE worked in those cases. Even then, the KE parts aren't calculated using the omnidirectional KE formula we got (no idea where that came from) anyway. Every calc accepted points towards Tier 7.

This blog makes mention of a Low 6-B feat: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...bur_Franchise:_Soul_Calibur_Vl_Respect_Thread

However, the problem with this is calcs are lacking. The guy just put in a random number and decided he's done with that.

So as it stands, the best calcs we have for the Soul Calibur universe are Tier 7, we have a Tier 6 earthquake assuming the Yellowstone thing is correct, we have another Tier 6 feat that has no calc linked to it which makes it hard to verify any of it, and a Tier 5 thing that's just Algol doing his own thing.

We have no calc in the References for Common Feats page for putting the entire world in darkness, which would be a pretty great boon for Abyss right about now..! Aside from that, things aren't looking pretty for the Soul Calibur universe.

As it stands, we're looking at a Tier 7/Tier 6 nerf for the bulk of the verse. Again, Algol is completely fine where he is. It's the rest of the verse that will be affected.

So what should be done? Here's what I would suggest.

1. For Pete's sake, link to the calcs so we wouldn't have to go on a powerscaling wild goose chase!
2. Figure out how to calculate Abyss plunging the world into darkness. As it stands, without the moon's presence, he's stuck with a 20-gigaton Yellowstone-esque earthquake in his favor.
3. Provide AP value notes in each page to make things easier for everyone.

So yeah, that's pretty much what I have for the verse.

 

[Hellbeast]

I'd note that Night Terror would scale to Algol since he's stated to terrify the Hero King in the Project Soul artbook. I'm unsure for the rest of the characters but I'd note the clash between Nightmare and Siegfried in III allegedly shook the world, with "destructive waves" being mentioned as well. I do think the country thing needs to be calculated since Nightmare could backscale (and you can get Cassandra backscaling from it)

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The proposals look good from a glance, but yeah. A lot of people who were Soul Calibur experts have basically left.

 

[Hellbeast]

I'm also pretty sure Soul Calibur Legends is canon now which is a whole thing, Project Soul also mentions Yoshi had a draw against Algol and Necrid's got a weapon which can allegedly devour a star's life energy,

 

[Flashlight237]

Project Soul also mentions Yoshi had a draw against Algol and Necrid's got a weapon which can allegedly devour a star's life energy,

Oh yeah, that. I had figured there was a lore book out there somewhere, thanks for reminding me about that.

I'm unsure for the rest of the characters but I'd note the clash between Nightmare and Siegfried in III allegedly shook the world, with "destructive waves" being mentioned as well. I do think the country thing needs to be calculated since Nightmare could backscale (and you can get Cassandra backscaling from it)

Thankfully we have that on record: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Shaking_the_Earth

Although I will need to math it out. The entirety of the Soul Calibur series takes place in the Old World (which pretty much consists of Eurasia and Africa), so results may be different.

 

[Hellbeast]

Oh yeah, that. I had figured there was a lore book out there somewhere, thanks for reminding me about that.

No worries

Thankfully we have that on record: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Shaking_the_Earth

What's interesting to me is it adds up with Abyss' Yellowstone level stuff and

Although I will need to math it out. The entirety of the Soul Calibur series takes place in the Old World (which pretty much consists of Eurasia and Africa), so results may be different.

Eh I think the narration's use of world is pretty blatantly indicative of the planetary scale of the tremors. I would note the Country statement and Algol doing the same renders this scale fairly consistent

 

[Flashlight237]

I'd note that Night Terror would scale to Algol since he's stated to terrify the Hero King in the Project Soul artbook. I'm unsure for the rest of the characters but I'd note the clash between Nightmare and Siegfried in III allegedly shook the world, with "destructive waves" being mentioned as well. I do think the country thing needs to be calculated since Nightmare could backscale (and you can get Cassandra backscaling from it)

Well, I ran the numbers through.: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...oul_Calibur_Calcs:_Fixing_Some_Scaling_Issues

Keeping with the historicity of the series (where it pretty much still revolved around the Old World) and taking note that the waves were intended to be destructive, I managed to get higher results than what the common feat presented. Also, the country thing is calced using both the air blast and ground blast formulae since I had no idea which to use based on the statements.

It's not evaluated yet, however.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Don't think Argol should keep his 5-B, possibly 4-A rating, his mastery and control over the realm is still in development, while the whole destroying worlds thing explictly needs full mastery of the realm, only way I can see him keeping the rating is if we did some funky scaling and used the statements of Soul Edge making Astral Chaos.

Also unsure about the Abyss stuff since as I brought up in that old CRT, all that happens at the end of Soul Calibur 3 is Seigfied and Nightmare clashing, Abyss showing up and causing an eclipse and all that jazz never happens, so dunno how usable it is unless we go the route of say, Devil Jin's ending in Tekken 8, where we acknowledge the feat canonically doesn't happen but is a representation of the power Soul Edge and Nightmare can output combined.

 

[Flashlight237]

Don't think Argol should keep his 5-B, possibly 4-A rating, his mastery and control over the realm is still in development, while the whole destroying worlds thing explictly needs full mastery of the realm, only way I can see him keeping the rating is if we did some funky scaling and used the statements of Soul Edge making Astral Chaos.

Also unsure about the Abyss stuff since as I brought up in that old CRT, all that happens at the end of Soul Calibur 3 is Seigfied and Nightmare clashing, Abyss showing up and causing an eclipse and all that jazz never happens, so dunno how usable it is unless we go the route of say, Devil Jin's ending in Tekken 8, where we acknowledge the feat canonically doesn't happen but is a representation of the power Soul Edge and Nightmare can output combined.

Oh hey, look who came in.

Yeah, I looked over the stage description for "Lost Cathedral - Ruin" and it didn't really explain how Abyss plunged the world into darkness; he just did.

 

[Hellbeast]

Don't think Argol should keep his 5-B, possibly 4-A rating, his mastery and control over the realm is still in development, while the whole destroying worlds thing explictly needs full mastery of the realm, only way I can see him keeping the rating is if we did some funky scaling and used the statements of Soul Edge making Astral Chaos.

Yeah that’s true, Algol definitely needs it as a potential thing, luckily he also has feats of shaking the Earth, which lines up pretty well if we assume Mitsurugi isn’t insanely inferior to the likes of Nightmare

Also unsure about the Abyss stuff since as I brought up in that old CRT, all that happens at the end of Soul Calibur 3 is Seigfied and Nightmare clashing, Abyss showing up and causing an eclipse and all that jazz never happens, so dunno how usable it is unless we go the route of say, Devil Jin's ending in Tekken 8, where we acknowledge the feat canonically doesn't happen but is a representation of the power Soul Edge and Nightmare can output combined.

Wait does Abyss deadass never happen? I swear it’s weird he’s never mentioned but surely he’s canon

 

[Dust_Collector]

Wait does Abyss deadass never happen? I swear it’s weird he’s never mentioned but surely he’s canon

I don't know if Abyss himself is canon or not, but as far as I could find he never actually shows up or gets referred to in the games of the original timeline. I think the most actual mentions he gets are nods to him in Zasalamels moveset and some of the names of his attacks in SC4 and 5.