Sora vs Subaru (Re:ZERO vs kingdom hearts)

[Fezzih_007]

Both 9-B
Battle takes place in a sheep pen of a Farm in UK with about 100 size 0 sheeps, under direct, heavy cannon bombardment.
Sora is bloodlust

Votes:

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ナツキ・スバル: vizmer, SatellaTheWoE

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Is Beatrice with him and which key are we using?


I sense an incon brewing...

 

[Fezzih_007]

Is Beatrice with him

No, Beatrice is not with him

and which key are we using?

SBA.

Character version: The strongest canon version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

No, Beatrice is not with him

SBA.

so basically Subaru with regen,IP and whip skills
what are the wincons for both?

 

[Fezzih_007]

so basically Subaru with regen,IP and whip skills
what are the wincons for both?

Well, I supposed is just who beat the shit of the other first.
Who can spank the other better.
Who can neutralize with extreme violence with better speed than the other.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Well, I supposed is just who beat the shit of the other first.
Who can spank the other better.
Who can neutralize with extreme violence with better speed than the other.

...
i think it will be an incon just because of how equal it is
Also they cant really put each other down permanently, like Subaru would go back in time and beyblade boy will just resurrect on dying
both have fate manipulation that almost cancels each other out too
I guess Subaru could use Social influencing to win?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Also they cant really put each other down permanently, like Subaru would go back in time and beyblade boy will just resurrect on dying

Pretty sure both of them would not kill each other, with Sora having a wooden sword, and Subaru being Subaru.
They might doe trought, due to where they are.

both have fate manipulation that almost cancels each other out too

Sora is like 5-D in potency, they don't cancel each other.

i think it will be an incon just because of how equal it is

Not sure about being equal, like let me list they individual advantages

Subaru:
Better reaction speed
Is more faster, probally.
Have patrache, so they can Double team.
Better ranged weapon that can blitz
Invisible Providence gonna caught him off guard for a while

Sora
Is more skilled
Have waaaaay better LS, so he can pin down Su-san and toss around patrache
Is probally stronger, If my calcs are correct
His fate Manipulation could just call Kairi to fight too, in theory.

But considering the fight location, It also involves who can survive better.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Pretty sure both of them would not kill each other, with Sora having a wooden sword, and Subaru being Subaru.
They might doe trought, due to where they are.

Sora is like 5-D in potency, they don't cancel each other.

Not sure about being equal, like let me list they individual advantages

Subaru:
Better reaction speed
Is more faster, probally.
Have patrache, so they can Double team.
Better ranged weapon that can blitz
Invisible Providence gonna caught him off guard for a while

Sora
Is more skilled
Have waaaaay better LS, so he can pin down Su-san and toss around patrache
Is probally stronger, If my calcs are correct
His fate Manipulation could just call Kairi to fight too, in theory.

But considering the fight location, It also involves who can survive better.

i missed the location.
if Subaru gets pinned down and he feels like he would lose then he probably kills himself or smth
SI would also be a proper wincon here
does kairi count as weapons or a summon?
Honestly Subaru with patrasche probably have a good chance of surviving plus rbd would ensure he knows how to survive. Sora has 5D Fate hax so he wouldnt be getting hit at all.

 

[Vizmer]

Is probally stronger, If my calcs are correct

I believe that Sora scales to 0.00268 tons of TNT while subaru scales to 0.00336 Tons, so Subaru would be stronger.

 

[Vizmer]

i missed the location.
if Subaru gets pinned down and he feels like he would lose then he probably kills himself or smth

Probably maybe he could use IP too

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Probably maybe he could use IP too

IP probably would have been 9A if Todd had a profile (plus whatever LS Todd is)

 

[Vizmer]

How does Sora's immortality work?

 

[Vizmer]

IP probably would have been 9A if Todd had a profile (plus whatever LS Todd is)

That would be great ngl. I was think of it negating durability too since it went trough Emilia's body.

 

[Fezzih_007]

if Subaru gets pinned down and he feels like he would lose then he probably kills himself or smth

Why? He don't have much of a reason to risk his life in this fight, is not like he needs to Win this fight. He also don't exactly like dying.
(Also, i probally should give him the suicide pill as a equipament in a CRT)

SI would also be a proper wincon here

It depends on what language Sora speak too i guess.

does kairi count as weapons or a summon?

Neither, I smoking, i don't think she would actually appear, i was mistaken.

I believe that Sora scales to 0.00268 tons of TNT while subaru scales to 0.00336 Tons, so Subaru would be stronger.

Yeah, my calcs are wrong

 

[Vietthai96]

How does Sora's immortality work?

His immortality tied to Fate hax, and Kairi, he is fated to rescue her, so things that prevent him from rescuing her such as death, erasure/destruction, incapacitation is useless. He goes back in time if these kind of scenario if they hit him

However temporary incap is viable option to defeat him, since it is just temporary and doesn't prevent him from going to rescue Kairi permanently. So in a vsmatch with SBA, temporary incap him until time limit to achieve victory is an option if you can't nulify or have anything to counter his abilities

 

[Vizmer]

His immortality tied to Fate hax, and Kairi, he is fated to rescue her, so things that prevent him from rescuing her such as death, erasure/destruction, incapacitation is useless. He goes back in time if these kind of scenario if they hit him

However temporary incap is viable option to defeat him, since it is just temporary and doesn't prevent him from going to rescue Kairi permanently. So in a vsmatch with SBA, temporary incap him until time limit to achieve victory is an option if you can't nulify or have anything to counter his abilities

I see, I see. I guess incap for both is a wincon for both.

 

[Vizmer]

SI would also be a proper wincon here

oh yeah this too

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Why? He don't have much of a reason to risk his life in this fight, is not like he needs to Win this fight. He also don't exactly like dying.
(Also, i probally should give him the suicide pill as a equipament in a CRT)

SBA my dude...

 

[Fezzih_007]

SBA my dude...

You say like It answers everything.

State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle.

In character, I don't think Subaru would just kill hinself in a battle with no much of stakes, just to Win, due to Satella advice(the witch , not you) to value himself. In Arc 7-8 as kinda nescessário for him to keep abusing RbD, but I not seeing him doing this in a normal Battle when none of his friends are in danger.

But, If you think otherwise and is not conviced, you can just ignore everything I said above, since I don't want to argue about that too deep, and we can argue on the fact he would kill himself, since that's more interessing.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

You say like It answers everything.

In character, I don't think Subaru would just kill hinself in a battle with no much of stakes, just to Win, due to Satella advice(the witch , not you) to value himself. In Arc 7-8 as kinda nescessário for him to keep abusing RbD, but I not seeing him doing this in a normal Battle when none of his friends are in danger.

But, If you think otherwise and is not conviced, you can just ignore everything I said above, since I don't want to argue about that too deep, and we can argue on the fact he would kill himself, since that's more interessing.

Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences.

Subaru when dire consequences(he lost his cat):

 

[Vizmer]

Okay so to summary the advantages:

Subaru:

Stronger
Faster reactions
Better range
Social Influence (could convince Sora to give up idk)
More intelligent(Gifted>Average)
Better Stamina
Better Willpower
Stealth Mastery
Double Team with Patrasche
Enhanced Extrasensory Perception (could see how strong Sora is)
Martial arts

Sora:

Better LS Class 10 > Athletic Human
Likely more Skill combat wise
Kairi
Better Stats Amp? (Can lightly increases his defense)

Wincons:

Sora could incap Subaru with his higher LS (Subaru's answer to incap: killing himself, IP, Better Reaction speed, Enhanced Extrasensory Perception)
Subaru could convince Sora to give with his Social Influence

 

[Vizmer]

I think it would be hard for Sora to pin down Subaru due to his reaction and perception speed since he would see Sora in slow motion. Additionally, he has his Enhanced Extrasensory Perception, which allowed him to dodge Todd's attack from his blind stop.

 

[Vietthai96]

I see, I see. I guess incap for both is a wincon for both.

Subaru need to temporary incap him up until SBA time limit run out to considering him the winner, something that permanently incap Sora will instantly trigger his Fate hax and Immortality type 8 which mean the incap is useless

 

[Vizmer]

Subaru need to temporary incap him up until SBA time limit run out to considering him the winner, something that permanently incap Sora will instantly trigger his Fate hax and Immortality type 8 which mean the incap is useless

Oh I see, I will update wincons.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Sora could summon Kairi something something

Nah, he can't actually.

Apparently.

 

[Vizmer]

Nah, he can't actually.

Apparently.

hmm okay updated

 

[Vietthai96]

Eh......he is fated to rescue her, that is the reason for his fate hax and immortality type 8, if he can summon her, then what the point of going to rescue her, in turn no point of having fate hax and immortality type 8 bruhh

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Eh......he is fated to rescue her, that is the reason for his fate hax and immortality type 8, if he can summon her, then what the point of going to rescue her, in turn no point of having fate hax and immortality type 8 bruhh

paradoxical fate hax (Subaru needs to kill Satella but Satella is inside him)

 

[Vizmer]

Giving the wincons I am voting Subaru

 

[Vietthai96]

paradoxical fate hax (Subaru needs to kill Satella but Satella is inside him)

i was right dropped the verse after reading few early volumes, and watching anime. It bcame more convoluted than it should be

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

i was right dropped the verse after reading few early volumes, and watching anime. It bcame more convoluted than it should be

what do you mean by should be?
its pretty well written plus the starting literally thrives on the mystery of the verse-

 

[Fezzih_007]

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i was right dropped the verse after reading few early volumes, and watching anime. It bcame more convoluted than it should be

If you think the first volumes are convuluted, you should't read Arc 7 and 8. They are kinda

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

arc 8 is one of the best written arcs of ReZero

 

[Fezzih_007]

arc 8 is one of the best written arcs of ReZero

Top 5 for sure.

1. Arc 6
2. Arc 4
3. Arc 3
4. Arc 2/or 8
5. Arc 8/or 2
6. Arc 7/or 5
7. Arc 5/or 7
8. Arc 1

 

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