Sonic vs Superman | 4-0-0

[Brogeefrong]

thats pretty cool aint gonna lie
Post-Imprisonment - Onwards Sonic is used, has access to Cyber Corruption and is Low 2-C (No Super Sonic)
Post-Warworld Apocalypes Rebirth Superman is used and is 2-C
Speed is equalized
Sonic has 5 Rings
Fight takes place in an ad infintium stadium
Profiles

Sonic the Hedgehog (Modern)

Sonic the Hedgehog (ソニック・ザ・ヘッジホッグ, Sonikku za Hejjihoggu?) is Sega's mascot and the eponymous protagonist of the Sonic the Hedgehog video game series. He is an anthropomorphic hedgehog born with the ability to run faster than at the speed of sound and beyond, hence his name, and possesses...

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Superman (Rebirth)

Superman, also known as Clark Kent and Kal-El, is a Kryptonian superhero. Though born of the planet Krypton, he was sent away in a spaceship as a baby to save him from his home planet's destruction. His spaceship landed on Earth in Smallville, Kansas where he was found and adopted by Jonathan...

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[Peptocoptr27]

What stops Superman from one-shotting?

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

This isn't a vote, but Supes resist nearly everything Sonic has.

 

[ShakeResounding]

This isn't a vote, but Supes resist nearly everything Sonic has.

Surprisingly, he has no resistance to Information Type 2 even when accounting for the resistances he gets from the other Supes. So Cyber Corruption is gonna be a problem for him

What stops Superman from one-shotting?

Probably a mix of Sonic's 4x higher reaction speed with Speed Equal, and his tendency to spam the Spin Dash or Boost in many his confrontations. However, you have a point. Maybe he should get a few Rings to realize CQC is not the best answer.

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

What does Sonic start with?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Surprisingly, he has no resistance to Information Type 2 even when accounting for the resistances he gets from the other Supes. So Cyber Corruption is gonna be a problem for him

Probably a mix of Sonic's 4x higher reaction speed with Speed Equal, and his tendency to spam the Spin Dash or Boost in many his confrontations. However, you have a point. Maybe he should get a few Rings to realize CQC is not the best answer.

He should

What does Sonic start with?

CQC, usually with speed amps and instinctive actions (homing attack, spin dash, boost)

 

[ShakeResounding]

What does Sonic start with?

On top of what Pepto said, Sonic will be more inclined to use his Cyber Powers (Cross Slash, Sonic Boom, etc.) because of his ongoing affliction with Cyber Corruption.

So on top of CQC (his leading move), he'll use a mix of various projectiles that Cyber Corruption offers. That's where Info Type 2 comes in.

@Brogeefrong Maybe give Sonic 5 to 10-ish Rings so Sonic doesn't go kersplat on Superman's fist, while Superman isn't chipping away at a large Ring pool?

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

CQC, usually with speed amps and instinctive actions (homing attack, spin dash, boost)

So he'll just get out-skilled and one shot?

Sonic will be more inclined to use his Cyber Powers (Cross Slash, Sonic Boom, etc.) because of his ongoing affliction with Cyber Corruption.

Superman has much higher durability, I don't think any of those attacks are going to help here.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Doesn't Sonic gets passively faster and faster the more the match continues? If Superman doesn't one shot fast, Sonic will eventually blitz him, and Sonic has many ways to increase his speed even with equal speed

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

Doesn't Sonic gets passively faster and faster the more the match continues? If Superman doesn't one shot fast, Sonic will eventually blitz him, and Sonic has many ways to increase his speed even with equal speed

It is likely that Superman will one shot Sonic quickly. As Sonic attacks by homing towards his opponent and trying to get in close, which would be the worst thing he could do here.

I also don't even see how Sonic could hurt Supes, since Supes resist nearly everything he has , aswell as having 2-C durability ontop of that.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Doesn't Sonic gets passively faster and faster the more the match continues?

HUh? Since when?

 

[ShakeResounding]

Superman has much higher durability, I don't think any of those attacks are going to help here.

Info Type 2. Superman will be torn to shreds if he's even struck once, Superman has no resistance to having his Fundamental Information attacked and he'll have to deal with all these abilities (the detriments) rooted in it. Resistance to any of these means nothing if he doesn't resist Information Manipulation. Supes gets demolished regardless of even 2-A durability.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Also I just remembered Rings are Standard Equipment in Sonic's page, and Brogee has to specify the amount. So there won't be an immediate one-shotting here so long as Sonic has one, as they have Damage Transferal on a 6-D scale.

 

[Brogeefrong]

On top of what Pepto said, Sonic will be more inclined to use his Cyber Powers (Cross Slash, Sonic Boom, etc.) because of his ongoing affliction with Cyber Corruption.

So on top of CQC (his leading move), he'll use a mix of various projectiles that Cyber Corruption offers. That's where Info Type 2 comes in.

@Brogeefrong Maybe give Sonic 5 to 10-ish Rings so Sonic doesn't go kersplat on Superman's fist, while Superman isn't chipping away at a large Ring pool?

alright he'll get 5

 

[omegabronic]

So he'll just get out-skilled and one shot?

Sonic will see Supes as frozen thanks to how high his amps are

Also......i wouldn't count on Superman outskilling Sonic here, seeing the profiles.....i would argue Sonic outskills here more than anything

Superman has much higher durability, I don't think any of those attacks are going to help here.

Cyber Corruption is......well, Corruption hax, Info type 2 based at that, so if he is hit, he is going to feel it

It is likely that Superman will one shot Sonic quickly. As Sonic attacks by homing towards his opponent and trying to get in close, which would be the worst thing he could do here.

Sonic with his amps sees being blitzing him as completelt frozen, so in speed equal here Superman will be seen as frozen, plus Sonic's natural 4x higher reaction speed to help him on top of that

Also with Rings he can just tank his attacks no problem

I also don't even see how Sonic could hurt Supes, since Supes resist nearly everything he has

can you give the list? I really doubt that

I know for certain he doesn't resists Chaos Control since that is layered + smurf, so he could still stop him in time

, aswell as having 2-C durability ontop of that.

Cyber Corruption would take care of that as i said above

 

[omegabronic]

HUh? Since when?

AD, he gets faster every second enough to make a blitz difference in short minutes of fighting, but that is for another thread

 

[Peptocoptr27]

AD, he gets faster every second enough to make a blitz difference in short minutes of fighting, but that is for another thread

So it's not accepted yet?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

The AD is on his profile already.

 

[omegabronic]

So it's not accepted yet?

it is......was talking about another example

 

[Peptocoptr27]

it is......was talking about another example

Where is the evidence that he gets faster every second to the point that he can blitz a previously equal opponent over the course of a fight?

 

[omegabronic]

Where is the evidence that he gets faster every second to the point that he can blitz a previously equal opponent over the course of a fight?

That one isn't accepted yet, the "he gets faster every second" part is

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

HUh? Since when?

Sonic Forces, in his battle against Infinite

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Sonic Forces, in his battle against Infinite

Yeah, I figured, but I dismissed it as the AD displayed there was so minor that it wasn't even noticeable. Most of Sonic's growth happened off screen during his confinement

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

Info Type 2. Superman will be torn to shreds if he's even struck once, Superman has no resistance to having his Fundamental Information attacked and he'll have to deal with all these abilities (the detriments) rooted in it.

Sonic was able to go through a good chunk of the plot of Sonic Frontiers, while being afflicted with Cyber Corrupted and was exposed to cyber–Energy Several times yet was still able to fight and perform despite this. Superman has dealt with similar detriments before, and The Cyber Corruption seems to take an awfully long time to fully corrupt someone. I don't think this is going to be a good way to reliable end the fight quickly.

Also can't Supes just use phasing to avoid it? It still has to physically enter the body.

 

[omegabronic]

Sonic was able to go through a good chunk of the plot of Sonic Frontiers, while being afflicted with Cyber Corrupted and was exposed to cyber–Energy Several times yet was still able to fight and perform despite this. Superman has dealt with similar detriments before, and The Cyber Corruption seems to take an awfully long time to fully corrupt someone. I don't think this is going to be a good way to reliable end the fight quickly.

That was only because 1 he has minor resistance to it and 2 he was exposed to small doses of it at first, by the second island he was starting to feel bad, by the third he could barely stay on his knees, by the fourth he has full corruption levels to have all effects applied, this Sonic already has Cyber Corruption on this level

Also can't Supes just use phasing to avoid it? It still has to physically enter the body.

Nah, it is type 1 and 2 of corruption

Also Sonic has NPI

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

Also......i wouldn't count on Superman outskilling Sonic here, seeing the profiles.....i would argue Sonic outskills here more than anything

Superman has all the knowledge and experience of his post crisis counterpart, and likely more battle experience.

Sonic with his amps sees being blitzing him as completelt frozen, so in speed equal here Superman will be seen as frozen, he gets faster every second enough to make a blitz difference in short minutes of fighting,

Do you have a source on how quick Sonics AD is? He was able to keep up with Infinite who had previously blitz him but that was only after six months, not a few short minutes.

I know for certain he doesn't resists Chaos Control since that is layered + smurf, so he could still stop him in time

Superman can resist Time Stop.

by the fourth he has full corruption levels to have all effects applied, this Sonic already has Cyber Corruption on this level

What do you mean 'on this level?' Are the effects quicker depending on dosage?

Nah, it is type 1 and 2 of corruption

Superman can use Intangibility to avoid the Cyber Corruption. Amy and Knuckles only got corrupted because they interacted with a Koco. Has Cyber Energy ever Corrupted something Intangible on a molecular level?

 

[omegabronic]

Superman has all the knowledge and experience of his post crisis counterpart, and likely more battle experience.

Reading his inteligence section of both post crisis and new 52........i still don't see him outskilling Sonic

Do you have a source on how quick Sonics AD is? He was able to keep up with Infinite who had previously blitz him but that was only after six months, not a few short minutes.

I will add that later, hence why i put in but Sonic does grow every second. So he will eventually get way too fast for Supes if the battle goes on for too long

Outside of, you know, seeinf him as frozen with his speed amps

Superman can resist Time Stop.

Chaos Control is layered + it is 6D

What do you mean 'on this level?' Are the effects quicker depending on dosage?

Yeah pretty much, Sonic was affect in yhe end because he had that much inside him

Superman can use Intangibility to avoid the Cyber Corruption. Amy and Knuckles only got corrupted because they interacted with a Koco.

nope, Knucles was just punching things and Tails was just typing in computers, any interation, be it direct or indirect, will make one go corrupted with Cyber Energy

Has Cyber Energy ever Corrupted something Intangible on a molecular level?

Affect Amy, Knuckles and Tails when they were nothing more than digitized/data/info type 2 souls........so yeah

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

I will add that later, hence why i put in but Sonic does grow every second. So he will eventually get way too fast for Supes if the battle goes on for too long

You can't say that is a valid Wincon until we know how quick it is a how large the amp is. I also doubt this fight is going to go on for 6 months.

Outside of, you know, seeinf him as frozen with his speed amps

You mean the boost? I don't think that will cause a Blitz.

Chaos Control is layered + it is 6D

Have a source for that? I couldn't find anything here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Chaos_Emeralds_(Game)

nope, Knucles was just punching things and Tails was just typing in computers, any interation, be it direct or indirect, will make one go corrupted with Cyber Energy

They were still tangible and physically interacting with stuff though before being afflicted. Superman literally won't be physically present, and there will be no body for the Cyber Energy to enter.

And assuming the Cyber Energy is able to bypass his Intangibility and resistances I still don't think it will be enough to end the fight quickly, considering how slow it takes the fully effect living things. The End also also spread Cyber Corruption throughout the Ouranos Island, yet that place didn't instantly get fully corrupted.

Also also, Superman could know it is there using his Radar Sensing capabilities, and flyback to avoid it.

 

[omegabronic]

You can't say that is a valid Wincon until we know how quick it is a how large the amp is. I also doubt this fight is going to go on for 6 months.

Huh? My dude, if one guy is growing in speed every second and the other one is not........then of course it will eventually lead to a blitz, that is how going faster works

You mean the boost? I don't think that will cause a Blitz.

superior to the Spin Dash which makes people who were blitzing Sonic seem as frozen in place, yes it will

Have a source for that? I couldn't find anything here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Chaos_Emeralds_(Game)

See Adventure Era Sonic's profile

They were still tangible and physically interacting with stuff though before being afflicted.

Nope, they were intangible and unable to interact with the world

Superman literally won't be physically present, and there will be no body for the Cyber Energy to enter.

He will, Sonic has NPI to interact with him regardless + he is still there, Cyber Energy is info type 2, it is far more incorporeal than Superman, so unless you are saying he is more intangible than fundamental information i suggest yoy drop that + he IS still there, Cyber Energy doesn't need to physically enter someone

And assuming the Cyber Energy is able to bypass his Intangibility and resistances

there is no resistance to Info type 2 corruption on Superman's page

I still don't think it will be enough to end the fight quickly, considering how slow it takes the fully effect living things.

Have you not heard what i said? It only does that if the ammount is low and if you have a limited resistance to it, at this point Sonic already has enough to fully corrupt him, it will not take long at all, specially with Sonic spamming it constantly against him

The End also also spread Cyber Corruption throughout the Ouranos Island, yet that place didn't instantly get fully corrupted.

The place? Yeah, Knuckles, Amy and Tails were, nearly stopped moving due to it, for the Koko, we didn't saw the condition they were in, but Amy said it was bad

Also also, Superman could know it is there using his Radar Sensing capabilities, and flyback to avoid it.

Unless that works on Info type 2 levels of abstraction......no


I vote Sonic here fra

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Sonic FRA.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Sonic FRA

 

[Javenplayz253]

Sonic fra

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Damn, that's crazy... Sonic hasn't even been upgraded to 2-C yet. wtf. This Superman profile is downplayed, but still... Cyber corruption is busted