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Sonic vs Alien X

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Alien X

Alien X is the Omnitrix's DNA sample of a Celestialsapien from the Forge of Creation. Tier: 1-B Name: Alien X, his personalities include Serena, Bellicus, and Ben Tennyson Origin: Ben 10 Gender: Male Age: Inapplicable (Was born in a realm that is out of sync with time, existed prior to Ben...
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Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave)

Sonic the Hedgehog, born Maurice Hedgehog, is the eponymous protagonist in the Sonic the Hedgehog comic series and its spin-offs published by Archie Comics, of the same name. He is a mobian hedgehog gifted with incredible speed and the power to harness Chaos Energy. Known for an overconfident...
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whoooooooooooooooooo would win

speed equalized
base sonic

sonic 10 votes(supergamer100x, lordjjj,mister6ame6, elixirblue, greenshifter, icantthinkof1goodname, maverick zero x, ned the outer god, glaceongames im blue)
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Wait Archie? Really? Like really?! I thought I was gonna have to debate myself here... although Alien X does have some incap and BFR options to beat Archie Sonic by technicality via vs battle rules. He can for instance BFR him to the Forge of Creation, which would mean Tails and Sally have less than a week to find out what happened to Sonic and bypass the Chrono Randomization barrier. Although that might actually be do-able since Sally found out Sonic got BFR’ed to Sabrina’s multiverse and was able to follow him in the span of 10 minutes or something lol. (Help I’m already debating myself lol)

Guess I’ll just wait for the blue guy to respond.
 
Tipper17 said:
I’m srry what?
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Ah sorry Sabrina's universe, since it isn't accepted as another reality bubble like Mega Man's yet I think. Crossover should be canon though. If you're asking for context then the head witch of Sabrina's universe brainwashed Sonic and brought him to Sabrina's universe and Sally was able to use a device she coincidentally had with her to pick up the residual energy from the portal and make one of her own to follow Sonic to Sabrina's house, all in less time than it took Sonic to crash his head into the wall and almost be a threat to Sabrina.
 
Sonic amps his durability with Power Rings to prevent himself from getting KO’d.

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Why would he need to lead with time reversal (also his first appearence lol)? Sonic doesn't even have an instant-win button here.

By seeing that the dude is putting fancy rings on himself and that he suddenly can't hurt him anymore, not to mention Ben is smart and experienced enough to know when someone is planning to use equipment to amp or benefit themself.
 
Has AX ever used his time reversal in combat?

Also I’m not seeing NPI on AX’s profile, so couldn’t Sonic just phase through his physical strikes?
 
AX has like 5 mins of combat, you can literally just use Ben's other aliens to see what's in-character tho. Not to mention Ben definitely has enough skill to pick the right moves.

Yeah he can, Sonic usually doesn't do that though and iirc it takes a lot out of him so for good reason.
 
Alien X can also create a space-time continuum with an omnidirectional wave and change the very nature of space and time which is > omnidirectional universal time reverse. (AX can also use his powers without Ben being transformed into him sooo)
 
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Alien X can also create a space-time continuum with an omnidirectional wave and change the very nature of space and time which is > omnidirectional universal time reverse. (AX can also use his powers without Ben being transformed into him sooo)
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Why would we assume they have the same range though?
 
Creating a space-time continuum could be seen as space-time manipulation on a universal scale, which time reverse is a subset of the latter. Changing the very nature of space and time is by default universal in scale and again a part of space-time manipulation.
 
What? It's a creation feat, nothing more. It doesn't suddenly mean all of his abilities even remotely related to it have the same scale nor does it mean that he'd pull them off at the same scale when he's never done so.

No, it isn't universal by default. I can warp space-time in a room and it would count as space-time hax.
 
Planck69 said:
What? It's a creation feat, nothing more. It doesn't suddenly mean all of his abilities even remotely related to it have the same scale nor does it mean that he'd pull them off at the same scale when he's never done so.

No, it isn't universal by default. I can warp space-time in a room and it would count as space-time hax.
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Stolen from Bill Cipher vs Alien X from Mrluk cause I'm too lazy lol:

"Then there's this statement by Dwayne McDuffie that "Time moves however Alien X wants to move" and this statement of how "Celestialsapiens' Reality Warping is so powerful that their mere thoughts can become real.""

I could maybe argue that since it's done in detail that his range of his time manipulation would scale to his universe-creation regardless but for now fair enough on that I guess.

Changing the very nature of space and time not being universal is a no though, you can't just change the nature of space and time on a local scale and still have a fuctional universe, that just wouldn't work. Not to mention that a mere statement of someone being able to stop time is already enough to accept it being universal in scale, changing the nature of time is > merely stopping it.

Also what Zamasu said

Here's Bellicus casually proposing to save (present tense) the dinosaurs from extinction, meaning his abilities also extend into the past and couldn't possibly be dodged or have to be executed by pointing at something, since in this case there'd be nothing to point at.
 
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You can though, fiction has no hang-ups on that sort of thing. I could fold space-time, isolate it from the regular universe etc. even if it's over a room. Though I'll admit that your right about how time stop is treated.
 
That's all warping space-time, not changing it's very nature, you couldn't connect it to the rest of the universe anymore since space wouldn't work the way other space in the universe works anymore.
 
judging from these theard, i guess the host really likes stomp battles. Alien X can do something against fate and other hax?
 
Fate is mostly irrelevant, it just means Sonic will eventually win, but since Sonic is limited by vsbw rules in this particular fight Alien X has wincons that don't invalidate the fate hax.

Alien X will be unaffected by power null and sealing after my CRT (+ I kinda disagree with power null for the power rings) and it's not like Sonic uses his equipment that much, well at least not to do too OP shit.
 
Not really. This is also stamina-based. Whoever drops first or alternatively who can cheese the other with their hax. Aka actually a good fight, finally.
 
Exactly. But it’s still stamina-based for Sonic, to see how long he lasts to find an opening to hax. I’m basically just waiting for Elixir to see what exactly Sonic would use here when it comes to hax and also to see if I’m gonna argue Alien X to be unaffected by power null among other things.
 
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