Sonic feats

[KurotheStrong]

I just found and thought up some interesting implications for debates towards the Sonicverse. Not only did Eggman create weapons of mass destruction that could destroy stars, he also created weapons that could travel distances to other solar systems and galaxies as well. The Final Egg Blaster could destroy stars, what stars? Not earth's, and the power used to make that weapon was NOT made with Chaos Emeralds. Not only that, Eggman made something that was capable of traveling to other galaxies and capable of tethering planets together (Planet Wisp, Sonic Colors).


That would mean that Super Forms are capable of Massively FTL flight, Eggman constantly states that the Chaos Emeralds are what he wants to collect to build whatever he's working on and empower his machinery, they are a superior energy source to what HE ALREADY USES and he can already teeter planets and go to Cosmically far distances with whatever he builds. To get the point, Super Forms are Massively FTL. Why? Because the Chaos Emeralds are superior to anything that Eggman has built, as he stated so himself. That's why he goes after them.


The Chaos Emeralds should also be capable of universal feats thanks to being able to hold the integrity of the universe akin to how the Sol Emeralds are (from Sonic Rush). But that's something else.


Pieces of evidence?

I also heard you guys needed evidence for the FTL feat for Base Sonic. - http://pm1.narvii.com/6541/4b60657f51ffc8535f034112acf2d2d9c342455c_hq.jpg


The script. - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_Colors/Script_(Wii)


Sonic Colors Cutscene 11 states that they were forcefully taken from clear across the universe, whether this means they were at least outside the Milky Way Galaxy.


Whatever he used would have had to travel across the universe, and it was never implied it was anything like the chaos emeralds or any other power, even if it was the Wisps, they never showed power akin to the Chaos Emeralds and their energy would still be inferior to it.


Sonic is eternally 15 (or something) which means the collection of the Wisps would have had to happen within the year of him still being 15, as Colors happens before Sonic Generations. Basically it would have had to have been a short period of time. Traveling from Galaxy to Galaxy is still MFTL and the Chaos Emeralds should be superior to whatever source of power Eggman used except for the Master Emerald, and it was never implied he used the Master Emerald though he is known for going after it all the same (though for different reasons as seen with Adventure 2).


Some feats for base Sonic's speed as well. During the fight with Eggman in Sonic Lost World 3DS, Eggman has a machine capable of producing Nuclear Fusion and creates miniature stars. Now before it's stated, a similar feat from Megaman happens in this one, and here's what I'm talking about. While smashing those stars, one of them produces an actual blackhole. To avoid said blackhole, Sonic has to OUTRUN it. - https://youtu.be/OX9DCeX_CI4?list=WL&t=283


Metal Sonic leaves the orbit of one planet to go to another. It should be noted that he was damaged greatly so his systems are in disrepair, he does this effortlessly. - https://youtu.be/xpZ3YZVfc20?t=50

 

[Dark649]

I was aware of these since i'm upgrading the characters, then i will plan to upgrade the super characters speeds. We don't know how big these miniature stars are, a simple Eggman being much stronger than Dark Gaia is outlier, black hole feats are unquantificable and an FTL character can easily go from planet to another since it took some time for Metal to do so.

 

[KurotheStrong]

No I understand that. However, what can't be disputed is...

That the stars no matter how big they were could create black holes after being destroyed, and the main factor in that is both a knowledgeable weaponization feat for Eggman. He can create nuclear fusion without the Chaos Emeralds which lends to him being capable of greater weaponization feats should anything come up with any battles for him and...

Sonic can outrun black holes, and that the void from Sonic Colors was not a "true" black hole, but some power that came from hyper-go-on energy.

Oh and a few other feats for characters like having an actual picture for the FTL Sonic statement and Metal easily flying from one planets atmosphere to another in short time, he can be assumed even faster while traveling if he were repaired and at full power.

I know that the statement about the speed feats for Super Forms is a stretch but, Eggman did not have the Hyper-go-on energy nor the Chaos Emeralds while flying to other parts of the universe, it would mean whatever crafts he had were capable of them without it unless it was stated in canon. Which is what led me to stating that they should have at least MFTL speeds due to the Chaos Emeralds being superior to any other source used by Eggman unless he himself states they are not or someone else just as knowledgeable (such as Tails, Nega, etc.) does.

 

[Dark649]

Yes, i'm also aiming to upgrade the super forms speed to MFTL+. The Hyper-go-on energy was stated to be higher than the chaos emeralds, the latter can be nullified by the master emerald and the phantom ruby.

 

[Executor_N0]

From what I know this comes from a deleted audio, is it correct to use something that has been deleted from the final version of the game?

 

[KurotheStrong]

They were stated to be "higher". Can I get the source for that? I never heard it in canon. I know it's from an unused clip but that can't be canon unless it's actually stated in game.

 

[Executor_N0]

black hole feats are unquantificable

In fact there is something that can be done, through the size of Sonic we can find out the size of the black hole and with this we can discover its mass. His mass is the same mass as these "mini stars", and we can figure out their size through the size of EggRobo, having mass and size we can discover the GBE of these mini stars. Something similar has already been done for Mario once I remember well.

 

[KurotheStrong]

@Executor N0

No you can't use that. Unless it's stated in game, it can't be used as evidence. The canon is from the creators, the games themselves, and whatever supplementary materials are from the creators, if it isn't, it can't be used.

 

[Dark649]

It comes from here , which is the game data, but was scrapped from the story.

 

[Executor_N0]

It's a scene that was not used in the final version, I do not think it should be used. It's in the game data, but it was not used within the story.

 

[KurotheStrong]

@Dark649

That's what we're saying, you can't use unused clips. It was scrapped for a reason, the creators didn't want it in the game for some reason or other unless they stated they did but time constraints stopped it or etc.

So it can't be used as a canon source. The Hyper-go-on energy is possibly comparable, there may even be feats for the Mother Wisp in Sonic Colors DS. But that's from my belief though.

As I beleive that all games, so long as they are tied (console, handheld and mobile) should be able to be tied into the Sonic lore even if it's not apart of the timeline as the creators worked and had to accept what happens in said games for them to be approved. But that's just me and I understand if it's ambiguous to you guys.

 

[Dark649]

I doubt than the gbe of the mini stars would be higher than 5-A, later i will post all the super sonic speed feats and other things to upgrade them.

 

[KurotheStrong]

Cool.