Sonic faces another mad Doctor!

[Eseseso]

Doctor Doom with prep time vs Hyper Sonic

Low 1-A absorption for Doom is restricted, but he does get all prep that goes up to 2-A (absorption, that 2-A power he used to kill a Watcher, etc.), plus his typical tech, prep, and magic

Hyper Sonic is 2-A

Location: NYC to start

Speed is equal

"This power...it's like that of a God's. BENEATH ME!" - 0 ()

"The present day... The here and now that you've stolen... Time to take it back!" - 0

Incon - 7 (@ShakeResounding, @Eseseso, @ZespeonGalaxy, @omegabronic, @Oliver_de_jesus, @Gilad_Hyperstar. @The_Axiom_of_Virgo)

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Ooh this one is really interesting. I shall follow

 

[LaserPrecision]

From the title, I anticipated Sonic vs Wily. A shame

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

 

[Eseseso]

From the title, I anticipated Sonic vs Wily. A shame

Ooh this one is really interesting. I shall follow

Any thoughts on who wins?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I know nothing about the non-Sonic fighter. What does he do in character?

 

[Eseseso]

I know nothing about the non-Sonic fighter. What does he do in character?

Well without prep stuff he has his Doombots start out, but here he already has the 2-A AP/durability that he used to kill a 2-A Watcher so I'm not sure.

He'd also sense that Sonic is a threat from the get-go.

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

 

[Eseseso]

1. Bump

2. Dr. Doom has Tier 1 (6-D) Mind-hax via chain-scaling (Doom > Phoenix Amped Rachel Summers > Xavier = Phoenix), which gives him an advantage over Super Sonic.

3. Dr. Doom has 2-A absorption

4. AP-wise, Doom with preparation black magic is far above Baseline 2-A.

Doom with black magic > Alternate Universe Uatu (whom he killed off-screen without any visible difficulty) = Uatu = Celestial >> Heavily Amped Destroyer Armor Odin (3 Pantheons + Odinsword) >>> Odin = 2-A

Reed Richards also called his power "off the rails", and Richards can measure the power of 2-A people like Galactus and Dark Phoenix, who both scale >= the Celestials above.

His absorption and other 2-A prep/tech scale to the same level (roughly).

5. Doom has time hax of his own IIRC.

Giving this to Doom via absorption and mind-hax, plus AP (although I might change it to Hyper Sonic).

 

[Eseseso]

I changed it to Hyper Sonic, so he may have the AP advantage over Doom (though both vastly exceed Baseline 2-A via scaling).

But Doom still has comparable time hax (at the very least) to Hyper Sonic, plus superior mind hax/resistance and absorption.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Sonic's biggest threats here are Power Nullification & Absorption, regular Absorption, getting Soul Swapped, and apparently Tier 1 mindhax Doom can cast with a glance. Couple that with him being able to sense Sonic being a threat, I'm not really sure what Sonic can do to stop any of that by the time he even gets close enough to touch Doom regardless of speed amps.

Seems like a mismatch atm.

 

[Eseseso]

Sonic's biggest threats here are Power Nullification & Absorption, regular Absorption, getting Soul Swapped, and apparently Tier 1 mindhax Doom can cast with a glance. Couple that with him being able to sense Sonic being a threat, I'm not really sure what Sonic can do to stop any of that by the time he even gets close enough to touch Doom regardless of speed amps.

Seems like a mismatch atm.

Doesn't Sonic have soul stuff?

And Hyper Sonic should have an AP advantage, albeit probably not to a one-shot degree since both are massively above Baseline 2-A.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Doesn't Sonic have soul stuff?

He no need to punch him iirc?

 

[Eseseso]

and apparently Tier 1 mindhax Doom can cast with a glance.

For Tier 1 (as in, 6.2-dimensional) mindhax, it goes like this:

Umar in the Dark Dimension = Low 1-C

Doctor Strange overpowered Umar in a battle of telepathy, albeit it was a massive struggle.

Doctor Strange = Moondragon < Doom

Doctor Doom's mind resistance = mind hax.

Doom also mind-haxxed Phoenix Amped Rachel Summers, who is superior to Xavier, who is comparable but inferior to the Phoenix Force.

Also:

Doctor Doom >> Insanely Amped Purple Man >> Purple Man > Genis Vell >= Moondragon = Doctor Strange > Umar = Low 1-C.

As in, Doom was point blank and laughed off Purple Man's telepathy.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Xavier

Xavier also Mind clash with Phoenix force

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

For Tier 1 mindhax, it goes like this:

Umar in the Dark Dimension = Low 1-C

Doctor Strange overpowered Umar in a battle of telepathy, albeit it was a massive struggle.

Doctor Strange = Moondragon < Xavier = Emma Frost

Doctor Doom casually resisted Emma Frost's mind attacks and intimidated her into not trying anymore.

You don't need to going into tier 1 hax layers when the opponent has tier 2 resistances... -_-

Seems like a mismatch atm.

My thoughts exactly plus in a Vs match most peeps lose their negative plot armour, so I doubt Dr Doom would randomly lose his power or underestimate Sonic to the point of letting himself get one shot by the hedgehog.

 

[Eseseso]

Doom's advantages:

1. Vastly superior AP/durability, as in he is infinitely stronger and tougher than Hyper Sonic via Marvel's busted 2-A scaling.
2. Absorption that scales to 2-A
3. Layered Tier 1 mind-hax, and can body-swap with Super Sonic
4. Leagues more intelligent, more experienced, and arguably more skilled
5. Can damage Sonic's soul with Magic
6. Power Null


Sonic's advantages:
1. Speed Amps
2. Can hit Doom across all of time, which Doom can't really counter.
3. Similarly, is immune to much if not all of Doom's time-hax, and has layered timestop.
4. Invulnerability negates Doom's AP advantage
5. 2-A BFR and Sealing.

 

[ShionAH]

I thought doom had 1-A absorption or smth

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

I thought doom had 1-A absorption or smth

Low 1-A absorption for Doom is restricted, but he does get all prep that goes up to 2-A (absorption, that 2-A power he used to kill a Watcher, etc.), plus his typical tech, prep, and magic

 

[ShionAH]

Is it a possibly rating?

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Idk, dunno jack about Marvel or how Doom operates here

 

[ShakeResounding]

None matter when Sonic

Does anyone know of Sonic's other hax?

None of it really matters when Sonic won't lead with it and gets ****** over in multiple ways before getting got.

Also, is Doom's timehax layered? It's Marvel so I'm assuming yes but I wanna be sure

 

[Eseseso]

None of it really matters when Sonic won't lead with it and gets ****** over in multiple ways before getting got.

I'm not sure if Doom leads with mindhax, tbf. He is rather arrogant.

He uses absorption and/or mind hax if he deems it necessary, so he'd only pull it out after realizing he is somewhat outclassed in AP.

Also, is Doom's timehax layered? It's Marvel so I'm assuming yes but I wanna be sure

No idea.

 

[Eseseso]

Dr. Doom wins via mind-hax and absorption, despite Hyper Sonic's superior AP and speed amps.

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

 

[ShakeResounding]

I'm not sure if Doom leads with mindhax, tbf. He is rather arrogant.

He uses absorption and/or mind hax if he deems it necessary, so he'd only pull it out after realizing he is somewhat outclassed in AP.

Then he gets hit across every point in time and dies before he manages to do something that incaps Super Sonic.

 

[Eseseso]

Then he gets hit across every point in time and dies before he manages to do something that incaps Super Sonic.

Pretty sure Doom has time stuff too, like his magic resisting blasts from Morgan le Faye that IIRC erased Sentry across all time.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Pretty sure Doom has time stuff too.

It works on Type 4 Acausals (Solaris)

 

[Eseseso]

It works on Type 4 Acausals (Solaris)

Shit.

Then it really should be incon since Doom and Sonic both don't use their one-shot first thing but will do so if pushed.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Then it really should be incon since Doom and Sonic both don't use their one-shot first thing but will do so if pushed.

It happens with attacks lol, check his range at max power

 

[Eseseso]

It happens with every punch lol, check his range at max power

Well Doom would sense that Sonic is a threat.

But I don't think he has 4d resistance.

Although he could just try to absorb Sonic's power.

So this seems more incon.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Well Doom would sense that Sonic is a threat.

Ah yeah, that would do it.

Probably voting Inconclusive, then. Doom has more potent abilities that Super Sonic doesn't resist, while Super Sonic has in-character speed amps up the ass, layered time stuff, and Temporal AoE when he lands a strike.

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Incon fra. Was going to vote Doom but after reading. Incon.

 

[Eseseso]

Ah yeah, that would do it.

Cuz while Doom is arrogant, he can sense power levels, and if he is fighting someone with a high power level (such as 2-A Hyper Sonic with an AP advantage), he does get serious immediately.

Probably voting Inconclusive, then. Doom has more potent abilities that Super Sonic doesn't resist, while Super Sonic has in-character speed amps up the ass, layered time stuff, and Temporal AoE when he lands a strike.

Sounds about right. Incon FRA

Doom did what Odin could not.

 

[omegabronic]

Incon fra

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Incon fra

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I suppose Incon FRA works

 

[Eseseso]

1 more incon vote means Grace

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

This chaotic thread is doomed to an incon FRA (surprisingly).

 

[Eseseso]

This chaotic thread is doomed to an incon FRA (surprisingly).

1. Nice pun

2. Why is it a surprise to you?

3. Grace.