Son Goten (DBZ) vs Hercules (Disney)

[Coolboy6]

Both high 4-C, immortal Hercules and ssj Goten are being used, speed is equalized.
Goten:

Hercules: 5

 

[Vizer04]

Goku has more fighting skill, Instant Transmission, Solar Flare and ranged attacks.

 

[Coolboy6]

Goku has more fighting skill, Instant Transmission, Solar Flare and ranged attacks.

Hercules has higher LS and has godlike stamina

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Hercules has higher LS and has godlike stamina

Couldn't IT get him out of Hercules range and allow him to nuke him from orbit with ki blasts?

 

[Coolboy6]

Couldn't IT get him out of Hercules range and allow him to nuke him from orbit with ki blasts?

Why exactly would goku spam ki blasts like crazy? That sounds like the last thing he would do because Goku likes a fair fight.

 

[Vizer04]

Why exactly would goku spam ki blasts like crazy?

Because he's not stupid enough to get close to a guy who can lift stars...

 

[Coolboy6]

Because he's not stupid enough to get clse to a guy who can lift stars...

Goku can just instant transmission out of Herc’s grasp. Ez

 

[Armerish]

I can see goku once he breaks free from his grip, starts to take distance and use ki blast he's not stupid after all.

 

[Armerish]

Also what is the AP from both?

 

[Coolboy6]

Also what is the AP from both?

Both seem to be around baseline.

 

[Armerish]

Both seem to be around baseline.

So The reactive Evolution of Goku will be and problem to hercules.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Both seem to be around baseline.

Goku actually kind of scales to Shin's feat, which is 11 Foe, as Shin <<< Dabura = Perfect Cell >>> SSJ Goku, so eh the scaling is messy here

 

[Coolboy6]

Goku actually kind of scales to Shin's feat, which is 11 Foe, as Shin <<< Dabura = Perfect Cell >>> SSJ Goku, so eh the scaling is messy here

I thought the blog said he was 760 tenatons

 

[Vizer04]

Dabura = Perfect Cell

Wait, i thought Dabura was comparable to SPC.

 

[Coolboy6]

Wait, i thought Dabura was comparable to SPC.

SPC is 4-B. Full power cell is high 4-C

 

[Coolboy6]

I thought the blog said he was 760 tenatons

Anyways, I made a mistake. The post time chamber characters scale to 760 tenatons according to the blog. Looks like I’m gonna have to change this match up

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Anyways, I made a mistake. The post time chamber characters scale to 760 tenatons according to the blog. Looks like I’m gonna have to change this match up

Goku and Gohan are different. They downscale from Perfect Cell and scale to Shin's feat of 11 Foe, which is why Perfect Cell is High 4-C+ in the first place

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Goku and Gohan are different. They downscale from Perfect Cell and scale to Shin's feat of 11 Foe, which is why Perfect Cell is High 4-C+ in the first place

Actually they massively upscale from 760 tons, Goku should be 2x that value since he was stronger than everybody at 50%.

 

[Coolboy6]

Bump
Is the match fair btw?

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

I think Goku monkey stomps him.

 

[Armerish]

I think that yes because of the AP.

 

[Ganasto]

Yeah I think Goku has AP advantage, he usually has skill advantage and Hercules is only 18 so that doesn't help. Hercules has like no abilities and his only thing he has on Goku is LS which Goku can IT out of so I think stomp for Goku

 

[Coolboy6]

FluffyZ did say that Goku and Gohan massively upscale from baseline large star. Herc also seems to massively upscale.

 

[Vizer04]

Yeah I think Goku has AP advantage, he usually has skill advantage and Hercules is only 18 so that doesn't help. Hercules has like no abilities and his only thing he has on Goku is LS which Goku can IT out of so I think stomp for Goku

Yeah, i think it's better to use Gohan for this match.

 

[Coolboy6]

Yeah, i think it's better to use Gohan for this match.

I think goku stated gohan was stronger IIRC

 

[Armerish]

FluffyZ did say that Goku and Gohan massively upscale from baseline large star. Herc also seems to massively upscale.

Even if thats true goku still has the experience,hability, reactive Evolution, and more versatil.

 

[Vizer04]

I think goku stated gohan was stronger IIRC

Buu Saga Gohan

 

[Armerish]

I think goku stated gohan was stronger IIRC

Yeah I see it in the gohan vs shin thread.

 

[Armerish]

Buu Saga Gohan

Oh in that case, we have a New match.

 

[Coolboy6]

Actually, I’ll change it to Goten

 

[Ganasto]

Okay assuming Goten has AP advantage, that's basically his only wincon. He's never been in an actual fight besides with Trunks, and Hercules can actually win by pinning him down. Idk how much higher Goten is in AP but imo Hercules win this because hes a child

 

[Coolboy6]

Okay assuming Goten has AP advantage, that's basically his only wincon. He's never been in an actual fight besides with Trunks, and Hercules can actually win by pinning him down. Idk how much higher Goten is in AP but imo Hercules win this because hes a child

Goten scales to 760 tenatons according to the blog, and is 50x that as a super saiyan.

 

[Armerish]

What was the AP of Hercules?

 

[Vizer04]

Hercules should have the AP, LS and skill advantage. Goten has Range on his side but that's not enough to give him the win.

 

[Coolboy6]

What was the AP of Hercules?

Immortal Hercules effortlessly defeated hades, who scales to the olympians that can apparently create constellations. But it’s without a calc so it’s baseline

 

[Armerish]

In addition to range, the other advantages of goten is reactive evolution and ki manipulation. However, as he mentions in his weaknesses, he is inexperienced. While I see Hercules with a greater chance of taking this

 

[Coolboy6]

In addition to range, the other advantages of goten is reactive evolution and ki manipulation. However, as he mentions in his weaknesses, he is inexperienced. While I see Hercules with a greater chance of taking this

So you vote Hercules?

 

[Vizer04]

In a fist fight, Goten should win over time thanks to Reactive Evolution. Hercules wins if he restrains Goten with his superior LS, is restraining his style of combat in character?

 

[Armerish]

In a fist fight, Goten should win over time thanks to Reactive Evolution. Hercules wins if he restrains Goten with his superior LS, is restraining his style of combat in character?

I mean if he is Feeling each punch is getting stronger I think restraining is something he do.

 

[Vizer04]

I mean if he is Feeling each punch is getting stronger I think restraining is something he do.

Yeah, and Goten isn't experienced enough to realize this and start using range to his advantage while attacking from afar.

What's the AP gap? Does Herc one-shot? That's a very important factor that would determine my vote.