Slime God vs Poké God

[The_real_cal_howard]

Can Rimuru absorb Arceus?

Plates say hi.

 

[The_Causality]

Well.....

If arceus doesn't mind hax, he get....Slime-haxed??

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Stomping the physical avatar of a conceptual entity =/= destroying the concept outright. Not only would Arceus need to be able to kill them, he would also need to remove their concept outright. He could kill them by removing them as an object from the concept that they embody, which would make that concept independent of them and allow Arceus to kill them without ending a concept itself.

Conceptual Manipulation is one of the single strongest abilities in all of fiction and I'd prefer if we didn't assume characters into having a facet of the power that have they have never shown and never been implied to possess.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Well.....
If arceus doesn't mind hax, he get....Slime-haxed??

Isnt slime liked poison or toxic based somehow?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Why doesn't arceus have large size?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Well.....

If arceus doesn't mind ha, he get....Slime-stomped?

Rimuru doesn't have a way to hurt Arceus, imo. Plates, omnipresence, and general stats and resistances keep him from getting near. If Arceus really wanted to, he could just freeze all of Rimuru's clones with a multiversal Blizzard as Rimuru doesn't have the AP to get out.

 

[Lancer45Man]

Can Rimuru pull off a Lavos in here?

 

[The_Causality]

Can Rimuru pull off a Lavos in here?

Lol

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Unlike the flea, there's not an infinite multiverse of existence and nonexistence to draw clones from. His comes from a multiverse that's much smaller than Arceus's own.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Rimuru also has law manipulation. Can he do something like "Arceus, you are now an egg."

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

To truly get rid of rimuru arceus would have to also kill Mikami Satoru in the past, as rimuru can't die as long as he exists, he would to kill rimuru in the present and mikami in the past at the same time plus the clone in imaginary space.

The question is if it's in character for arceus to multiverse bust and would he even know why rimuru keeps coming back, with better abilities mind you.

Rimuru does also have precog, and resistance to precog.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Rimuru also has law manipulation. Can he do something like "Arceus, you are now an egg."

Arceus: Been there, done that

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Note 3: There has been rampant confusion over whether or not Arceus was the one who actively created the Pokémon multiverse due to a statement in the movie Arceus and the Jewel of Life. In the games, the primary canon, it is insisted that Arceus established the fundamental laws of the Multiverse, but the Creation Trio are the ones who actively formed it.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

EDIT: Nevermind. Like Kaltias said, not the thread or place for it.

 

[The_Causality]

Yeah, the omnipresence is a problem, the physical avatar of Llama god isn't really a problem but the slime guy can't affect the omnipresent form much bigger than the multiverse he can affect

Maybe Law Manipuluation and Concept but IDK

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Concept creation is useless in a vs battle. Concept destruction is what will get you wins.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Assalt. I'm gonna say something much different from Kukui and say that it's established that if for example Palkia goes, so does space. Also, that is a much bigger leap in logic to say that Arceus does x to do y to do z to kill Palkia rather than just saying Arceus can kill Palkia. Occam's Razor exists for a reason.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Not if you create the concept of "I can't lose on a conceptual level"

 

[The_Causality]

Concept creation is useless in a vs battle. Concept destruction is what will get you wins.

Depend, you can create concept as "you can't exist in my world" (borderline law manipulation) or other

Imagination

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

^That's law manipulation.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

There's also the fact that Arceus can infuse the powers of Rimuru into a new Plate and can potentially use Rimuru's powers as his own. And given Arceus's better...everything, that poses quite a problem.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Also, since the OP didnt ban it, Arceus could also just create new versions of the CT and LT's to act as distractions while he does his thing.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Also, since the OP didnt ban it, Arceus could also just create new versions of the CT and LT's to act as distractions while he does his thing.

Can't restrict abilities otherwise the match can't get added.

That being said, I legit forgot that Arceus can copy powers. Well, I'm convinced Arceus takes it.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Concept creation is useless in a vs battle. Concept destruction is what will get you wins.

But Arceus not only created the concepts of his verses, Arceus also gave them shape.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Also, since the OP didnt ban it, Arceus could also just create new versions of the CT and LT's to act as distractions while he does his thing.

Can't restrict abilities otherwise the match can't get added.
That being said, I legit forgot that Arceus can copy powers. Well, I'm convinced Arceus takes it.

I think thats only the case with a certain number of abilities, not just one action. Arceus has been banned from making new versions of his creations before and matches still went through.

But I digress.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also, can't Arceus turn Rimuru and his dupes into another Creation Trio member like he did with the Unown?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

You can only restrict abilities if they have a separate tier for them.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Also, can't Arceus turn Rimuru and his dupes into another Creation Trio member like he did with the Unown?

Now that you mention it, thats actually an interesting question.

Wouldnt that be some kind of Transmutation creation hax?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Imo, it's conceptual manipulation, as Arceus turned a bunch of Unown into a conceptual being.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Conceptual Transmutation? Why not. We already have conceptual fear manipulation.

 

[NeoZex6399]

About Law Manipulation, this is nothing new for Arceus, Giratina distorts the laws of reality just for existing, the logic of the old world is not applicable for Giratina, Dialga and Palkia can also alter or break the laws of the world.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

How I never thought of that hax is.....strange for me ovo

Someone should make a thread to get that added.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Anywho, I vote Arceus. I gave my reasonings throughout the thread.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Arceus turned Unown into a physical avatar for an already existing conceptual entity. He didn't "turn Unown into a conceptual being". That is overblowing what Arceus actually did in that scene.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

My vote also goes to Arceus for Cal's reasons

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

My vote is for Arceus for Cals reasons as well.

@Assalt, for Unown to become a Dialga, Palkia, and/or Giratina, Arceus would be making them physical avatars of their concepts, linking them.

Thats conceptually manipulating transmutation (I guess it would be called this).

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I'm also putting my money on Arceus for Cal's reasons.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Prof

Not necessarily. A being that can take control of an empty body wouldn't need that body to be linked to their concept, since that is just a body and not a piece of their actual being.

 

[Kaltias]

Thats conceptually manipulating transmutation (I guess it would be called this).

It's called "creating a body for someone".

There is really no need to manipulate concepts to do that

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Still an option for Arceus.