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Shouldn't Vivec be 2-A now?
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I can probably leave a message for him about this y'all like?
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He summoned her to Mundus and impaled her, preventing her from returning to her realm until he desired that she be able to do so.
Vivec with full CHIM powers was said to be stronger than any of the Daedric Princes IIRC as his power came directly from the Godhead.
Vivec with full CHIM powers was said to be stronger than any of the Daedric Princes IIRC as his power came directly from the Godhead.
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Ah yeah. To be honest, I am still not done with the elder scrolls revisions. I was going to upgrade the divines, as well as all the others who can be scaled to the Daedric Princes. I simply haven't gotten to it yet due to being insanely busy.
Though with people like Talos and Vivec, since they have achieved CHIM, they should logically be above any of the princes/divines and be at least on level with Anui-El and Sithis, if not on Anu and Padomay's level (since CHIM makes you limitless within an amaranth).
Perhaps for the 2 CHIM users, they should be rated as at unknown or at least 1-C?
Though with people like Talos and Vivec, since they have achieved CHIM, they should logically be above any of the princes/divines and be at least on level with Anui-El and Sithis, if not on Anu and Padomay's level (since CHIM makes you limitless within an amaranth).
Perhaps for the 2 CHIM users, they should be rated as at unknown or at least 1-C?
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It seems uncertain to automatically scale them as at least an infinite number of times above the Daedric princes. However, we could probably rate them as "Unknown. At least 2-A. Possibly higher".
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Well, Talos is generally featless and fought a bunch of no-named characters. Creating an Empire doesn't qualify as a feat either in fiction.Sheoth said:
Vivec, however, has several feats; the highest being his impalement (ifyouknowwhatimean) of Azura.
Vivec was going to teach the Nevervine how to wield his CHIM powers before his allies turned on him.
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That's impressive, but I don't think it is reason to say he is stronger than Talos, rather that he has used his abilities more effectively or in a different manner.
Afterall, CHIM simply removes ones limitations, and should be no different with each person who does it, whether it be a normal man or a member of the Tribunal.
Afterall, CHIM simply removes ones limitations, and should be no different with each person who does it, whether it be a normal man or a member of the Tribunal.
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If i recall correctly, we use author statements as the least reliable source of information.Phantasys said:
Calcs > Feats > Character Statements (with Evidence) > Author Statements, or is that not the case?
Talos / Tiber has no feats, except for the Nords (with the Voice) being stomped by the Dumner during their invasion of Morrowind.
My only point is that it's worth noting that Vivec is the only CHIM user who had feats.
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It makes not sense they way you say how Vivec is stronger. Sure he has feats while Talos has none, but we know for a fact that each CHIM user's powers are identical to the next. Like Sheoth said, just because Vivec used his powers in a more overt manner doesn't mean he's stronger than Talos.
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The problem is, Talos could have done all that he did without CHIM.Phantasys said:
All he did was forge an Empire, which, literally the Aldmeri Dominion did years later, without CHIM.
Literally, if they retcon Talos tomorrow being a non-CHIM user, it wouldn't make a difference. If they did that to Vivec, half of his stories would be outliers.
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Well, if Talos is fundamentally defined as having the same type of elevated existence as Vivec, including the defined potential of all CHIM users to become an entire amaranth (if I remember correctly), then he should probably be of a similar scale of power at the very least. However, he might not have been as skilled, imaginative, or ruthless in using his abilities.
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I don't see why we're still arguing this. Nothing suggests that one CHIM user > another. Simply because Vivec or Talos have different goals for which to use their power does not imply a difference in said power.
Just because Vivec felt like trolling Azura, and Talos decided to clear a jungle does doesn't show that one is stronger than the other, but rather shows the manner in which they wanted to use their power.
It would be like saying if one Universal character destroys a planet and another Universal character destroys a universe, then the latter one is stronger for whatever reason, which is flawed reasoning.
Just because Vivec felt like trolling Azura, and Talos decided to clear a jungle does doesn't show that one is stronger than the other, but rather shows the manner in which they wanted to use their power.
It would be like saying if one Universal character destroys a planet and another Universal character destroys a universe, then the latter one is stronger for whatever reason, which is flawed reasoning.
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