Shouldn't DOOM Hell be like Low 1-C?

[Bernkastelll]

Hell (DOOM)

Hell is a recurring race appearing in the DOOM series, as the main antagonist of every game, the Doomguy/Doom Slayer must fight against the unending forces of this infinite realm. Tier: 9-B to 9-A with weaker units, 8-C with most demons, higher with Titans, Wintherin, and Ships, far higher with...

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So, Hell encompass Multiples Universes (4-D structures) and is stated to be unlimited by the boundaries of space, time, or dimension. Hell itself is a living thing, an entity possessing certain undeniable sentience. Many worlds have fallen to Hell, each now bound to ruin, connected by pathways of darkness transcending space and time)

so, encompass 4-D structures and is unbound and transcendental to these structures as well.

 

[azontr]

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I dunno. May wanna call some knowledgeable members or staff

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Transcending space and time no longer count for low 1-C

 

[azontr]

It counts for 1-A! Checkmate!

But seriously, I guess this isn't valid then.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Transcending space and time no longer count for low 1-C

It encompass multiples universes (4-D structures) and is stated to be unlimited by the boundaries of space, time and dimensions (and also stated to transcend it)


so, encompassing 4-D structures + statements that is unlimited by the same and also transcendental, maybe it is Low 1-C

 

[azontr]

It encompass multiples universes (4-D structures)

That is still tier 2 but ok.

and is stated to be unlimited by the boundaries of space, time and dimensions (and also stated to transcend it)

That sounds like your actually trying to support 1-A wow.

so, encompassing 4-D structures + statements that is unlimited by the same and also transcendental, maybe it is Low 1-C

The encompassing multiple 4-D structures thing is still tier 2, and we need more proof for Low 1-C than just that I guess. :/

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Since transcending space and time no longer give Low 1-C, those statements wouldn't grant it Low 1-C, mostly Tier 2 based on the first bit of info. On another note, there was another thread attempting something similar for the Doom Slayer by scaling him to hell and urdak. Most of the dimensional stuff was decided on as flowery language from what I remember.

 

[Bernkastelll]

That is still tier 2 but ok.

Yes I know, thats why I mentioned that Hell can be a Low 1-C structure, it encompass 4-D structures and is stated to be unbound and transcendental to the same

 

[Bernkastelll]

Since transcending space and time no longer give Low 1-C, those statements wouldn't grant it Low 1-C

How can u be unbound and transcendental to 4-D structures but not be Low 1-C?

 

[azontr]

How can u be unbound and transcendental to 4-D structures but not be Low 1-C?

I ain't got no clue madam, the standards here sometimes confuse me. Just call some staff and see what they think.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Yes I know, thats why I mentioned that Hell can be a Low 1-C structure, it encompass 4-D structures and is stated to be unbound and transcendental to the same

Anyways, from the tiering system FAQ

Tiering System FAQ

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...

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''However, if it is specified that they "transcend space and time" in the sense that they exist on some higher level of reality that is outright superior to a spacetime continuum in nature, then they should be put at Low 1-C, assuming the continuum in question is one comprised of four dimensions. The answer may vary depending on this factor''

and hell, as I already said and showed scans, encompass 4-D structures and is stated to be unbound and transcendental to it

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Either I've been told false info on several Low 1-C upgrade threads or the changes were made but no one decided to change the literal tiering FAQ

 

[azontr]

Either I've been told false info on several Low 1-C upgrade threads or the changes were made but no one decided to change the literal tiering FAQ

Maybe this. Tier 1 shit gets confusing without solid info.

 

[Bernkastelll]

one decided to change the literal tiering FAQ

Tiering FAQ is a new thing, so, unlikely

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

The weird thing is it was said by both staff and normal users, so I don't know if they've all been under a misconception that it isn't Low 1-C or the literal page explaining everything is wrong, both of which seem unlikely to me.

 

[azontr]

Basically, I'm neutral. Brain be confuzd.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Until someone comes and clarifies, I'm going to stay neutral too

 

[azontr]

I contacted @Qawsedf234 , maybe they can help out.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Either I've been told false info on several Low 1-C upgrade threads

I mean, most of times, ''transcend space and time'' is vague

 

[Bernkastelll]

I mean, most of times, ''transcend space and time'' is vague

it can be either Space Time hax, Immeasurable speed, time travel, Low 1-C tier etc

 

[azontr]

it can be either Space Time hax, Immeasurable speed, time travel, Low 1-C tier etc

Th-then what proves this case is Low 1-C? This is a pretty vague case to, it literally just says hell transcends space and time, it's the same situation.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Anyways, Yggdrasil Low 1-C ratings comes from similar statements to Hell case, but I guess that Hell case also developed it better

 

[Bernkastelll]

Th-then what proves this case is Low 1-C?

Because as I said, it already encompass evaluted 4-D structures and is stated to be unbound and transcendental to it, it cannot be time travel, it cannot be ''speed'', it cannot be Space-Time Hax

 

[azontr]

Because as I said, it already encompass evaluted 4-D structures and is stated to be unbound and transcendental to it, it cannot be time travel, it cannot be ''speed'', it cannot be Space-Time Hax

It also says hell is unbound by dimensions lol

 

[Bernkastelll]

It also says hell is unbound by dimensions lol

 

[Thelastmlg]

Being unbound and transcendental does not give tier 1 unless you prove it is enough of a reality-fiction difference, those two words, even combined, can just mean existing outside or independent of stuff.

Encompassing that is just 4D

99% sure this all got brought up and rejected.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Encompassing that is just 4D

I already know, how many times should I say?

, even combined, can just mean existing outside or independent of stuff.

It makes no sense, Hell encompass these 4-D structures and is unbound and transcendental to the same, btw, tiering system FAQ already adress it

 

[Bernkastelll]

99% sure this all got brought up and rejected.

Show it then, I'm mainly bored and I thought it could be good to make this thread, but if u show others rejected threads about Hell that were rejected, sure

 

[Bernkastelll]

I even should this damn example

Anyways, Yggdrasil Low 1-C ratings comes from similar statements to Hell case, but I guess that Hell case also developed it better

 

[Thelastmlg]

I already know, how many times should I say?

It makes no sense, Hell encompass these 4-D structures and is unbound and transcendental to the same, btw, tiering system already adress it

Yep, it address that those terms, with reality fiction interaction proof, are used for tier 1, without it they are meaningless.

Either that one has more evidence or it deserves a downgrade.

The reasons got brought up on the previous doom cosmology upgrade thread

 

[Bernkastelll]

Yep, it address that those terms, with reality fiction interaction proof, are used for tier 1, without it they are meaningless

Not true, there has 2 cases right now that I remember of it that doesnt even mentioned reality fiction or showed any similar thing

 

[azontr]

I'm mainly bored

Is it because of your nature as a "Vs Battles Staff" giving you a non-linear view of space and time, boring of you of the common wealth?

I even should this damn example

Case-by-case basis all the time. God, I ******* hate it when people try and use arguments like this.9

 

[Bernkastelll]

Is it because of your nature as a "Vs Battles Staff" giving you a non-linear view of space and time, boring of you of the common wealth?

Nah, I'm just without nothing to do

Case-by-case basis all the time. God, I ******* hate it when people try and use arguments like this.9

Yggdrasil case literally has nothing different that Hell doesnt have

 

[Thelastmlg]

Not true, there has 2 cases right now that I remember of it that doesnt even mentioned reality fiction or showed any similar thing

Good, 2 downgrades incoming, seriously this is just whatabotism, which results in downgrades, not upgrades, at best

 

[Qawsedf234]

Hell encompass these 4-D structures

Containing multiple universes is something a bigger 4D space can do. A 2-A multiverse can contain a 2-B multiverse without it being a Low 1-C space.

unbound and transcendental to the same

This would be more evidence for Tier 1 though. Though from what I know of this has indeed been brought up before, but the DOOM members went with a 2-B Multiverse.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Containing multiple universes is something a bigger 4D space can do. A 2-A multiverse can contain a 2-B multiverse without it being a Low 1-C space.

I know about this, I am using it to show that Hell encompass these 4-D things and is unbound and transcendental to it

This would be more evidence for Tier 1 though. Though from what I know of this has indeed been brought up before, but the DOOM members went with a 2-B Multiverse.

what is their argument to it not be Low 1-C?

 

[Thelastmlg]

Need context of what "unbound" and "transcendental" means here, because context is what pushes upgrades, not just terms.

 

[Qawsedf234]

what is their argument to it not be Low 1-C?

I don't really know the details of it. Just that it did happen.

My only real DOOM involvement was getting rid of a glitch speed calc

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

what is their argument to it not be Low 1-C?

From what I remember from the low 1-c doom slayer crt, it was mostly just it all seemed like flowery language that didn't really have anything to back it up other than just "we transcend dimensions, space, time, etc." and that just having that statement by itself wouldn't give it low 1-c

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Pretty sure this was universally rejected when brought up last time.