Should we begin allowing fanworks here on profiles.

[Davy0]

So here's the thing. There's a lot of interesting series that aren't owned by different properties, yet tell an interesting story, make characters more interesting, and whatnot. So I'm asking, should we start allowing people who put an interesting spin on the fictions we know and love (with rules of course, which we can establish right here in this thread) on this site. The only problem is, what makes a series legitimately interesting is within the eye of the beholders. So that could become tricky.

 

[DontTalk]

No. That is what the FC/OC wiki is for.

For one thing nobody got time to read fanworks to check for quality and even then quality is subjective and nobody got time to discuss with people about quality and their taste.

Also remember that there is a constant contest over who has the strongest characters in this side, so I can promise you that people will give their best to produce fanfics everytime their character looses any battle just to get revenge or in general will just flood the page with Tier 0 or 1 characters. So for short it is a bad idea and not what this wiki is for.

 

[Davy0]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/8-bit_Theater

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Red_vs_Blue

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/MS_Paint_Adventures

These are fan series. And if I go around, I think I can find a few more.

 

[DontTalk]

Hmmm... so you mean with fan series, series which aren´t related to existing franchises, but created by someone that isn´t a professional? Well in that case the question is less wether or not we accept fan series then what our definition of a proper series. Technically you don´t even have to be an art student to draw a comic/manga.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I'd say we should not allow fanfictions or OCs, and technically, all of the mentioned things are official series, as they're not based on existing things (Besides 8-Bit Theater, which is practically its own canon anyways).

 

[Davy0]

That's all I'm saying, or a series that does use existing characters, but in a new place or something of a new "system" it establishes itself well and isn't trying to go beyond it to make it seem overbearing in its approach to the characters strengths and weaknesses. They take the pay cut or gain (power level hit or increase) yet play their roles well. Not just some stupid wankers versus haters BS.

 

[Davy0]

Then you're saying so long as it has its own canon, and not an existing canon but is its own universe with its own established rules, it'd be a candidate?

 

[The_Everlasting]

I'd say so. Something like fanfiction should not be allowed (Unless it is clearly very different from canon, like 8-Bit Theater), but things like webcomics/web series should be okay.

 

[Davy0]

I'd say so. Something like fanfiction should not be allowed (Unless it is clearly very different from canon, like 8-Bit Theater), but things like webcomics/web series should be okay.

I'll show you an example of what I mea . It's been on my mind for some time.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I mean, I suppose fanworks could be okay to an extent, but MSPA isn't really a fanwork. It's an original comic. I can see what you mean by 8-bit Theater and Red vs Blue, though. Those should probably be fine.

 

[Davy0]

I just see a lot of talented creators out there that make a lot of interesting fanworks, why should they be treated as lessers to fiction when they make original and inspiring ideas out of the everyday characters we see daily, or create an entirely new idea as RWBY and MS Paint Adventures.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

They shouldn't. That's why I said they should be fine, as long as they don't mesh with the regular pages if official characters are used in the fan works.

 

[Davy0]

They won't all we gotta do is specify the fiction they're in.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

That should be completely fine.

 

[Davy0]

Let's get the grand master's opinions on this.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, as has been stated previously within this thread, fanfiction characters are completely unacceptable, but original works are fine, as long as they are reasonably popular and not obscure.

We already have a problem with credibility, and cannot allow a flood of nonsense onto the site. We just got rid of the joke profiles for this very purpose.

 

[Davy0]

Like I said, does that also go for characters from "actual" fictions going into it or must it be completely original?

 

[Antvasima]

It should preferably be completely original, as othervise it sets a bad precedent.

 

[Davy0]

But we already have stuff like that as I showed you before. Red vs Blue uses characters who both are original and not original, and 8 bit theater, are using those as double-standards then?

 

[Antvasima]

Those were not inserted on my watch, alternately my knowledge of their nature, several wrongs do not make a right, and it is much easier to make an argument for that they should be deleted as well, rather than overturn the entire system and risk to turn the wiki into a joke.

 

[Davy0]

It's not gonna be a joke, that's why we should strive to keep the VsBattle Forum "strong" yet make room for different possibilities. All you're doing is limiting its potential.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, can you clarify how they use characters from other franchises?

 

[Davy0]

Look at the link I showed you, it's completely divergent of any canon, and tells and builds its own story through similar elements introduced in both games, yet used in a different way.

 

[Antvasima]

I am not limiting its potential. I am trying to avoid allowing ridiculous fan-characters, and ones that nobody hs heard about, since members will recurrently use any pretext to make us slip further and further into a wiki-wide practice for the sake of absolute consistency.

 

[Davy0]

It's not using fan characters, technically any character from any series not licensed by an official company IS a fan character.

 

[Antvasima]

Explain further in terms of specifics please. I would still much rather err on the side of caution.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, 8-bit theater and Red vs. Blue may or may not use characters from other franchises in original settings, but so do plenty of fanfiction. If we allow them, there is a major risk that people will use them as a pretext to slip further into fan-territory. It is better to set the borders firmly, so people know where to draw the line.

 

[Davy0]

A series. That has characters, fan-created or not, we explain the series and they create it to become something of its own continuity outside of the actual canon. They use characters from the series who have distinct traits similar to the characters we know. They are given their own feats, not the feats of the characters from their series, just like how we do continuities versus anime and manga or movies versus books. It is a fanwork, characters can or cannot be created by the fan. It has a story which doesn't devolve from actual story-telling through various fictions. Basically whatever characters they use, are their own characters just "similar" to the characters they are in actual series' without their feats.

 

[Antvasima]

Again, that sounds an awful lot like fanfiction, and there are some fanfiction stories with millions of visits.

 

[Davy0]

Again, Red vs Blue is Fanfiction, 8-bit theater is fan fiction even if it's creating its own continuity. They use characters from actual fictions to create a new one. Spartan's are used for characters in Red vs Blue. 8 Bit characters uses the various heroes of Final Fantasy.

Whatever, I don't care anymore dude. Do what ya want.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I will delete those profiles then. They set a bad pretext.

 

[Davy0]

You shouldn't delete them because you think they "set a bad pretext" those fictions are just as good as series in their genre.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I am worried that people will use them to try to allow fanfiction into the wiki, as you just did.

 

[Davy0]

When have I ever proven myself untrustworthy when it came to being serious. When have you ever had to doubt my groundwork in trying to develop series function in feats or any being specific about what I mean, why would I change that now. You treat me like I'm trying to usurp some type of hidden agenda when all I wanted to do was expand the borders of the Vs Battle Forum, and that kinda pisses me off, Ant.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. My apologies. I am in a bad mood from constantly having to manage this wiki, and am busy with the daily backlog. There is only so much time that I can afford to each individual matter, and I have to make lots of constant decisions. In this case it seems best to take the safe route for the sake of the wiki.

 

[Davy0]

Then I understand that. I trust you to do the right thing, and I understand what you're saying, and how you're feeling because I used to mod a few sites of my own, and the constant complainers, the crappy wankers and downplayers, the people who use their positions to have some type of power struggle. It's something that you have to identify daily. But you have to give yourself some slack, you're a single person. Don't treat the people who you know you can trust (maybe not me, but anyone who has shown a backbone and understands their own limits as a person on this forum as well as the strengths and weaknesses about debating fiction) as if they are swindlers. I understand that I shouldn't ask for something like fanfiction (if you perceive it as that) to be on YOUR forum. So don't worry about it, I'll never ask the question again. I just wanted to expand these borders, I stated before. Maybe take them further. I don't wish it to become some imitation of the OBD or Space Battles, but this isn't my FORUM this is your forum. And I respect that. So calm down, I understand.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.