Should PC superman be "downgraded" to 4 - C?

[Jeune_fou]

I'm asking that because he didn't destroy a solar system with his own strenght (his sneeze was enhanced by mr mrxyzptlk's powder, so it wasn't done with his own strenght). I think he should be traited as high 4 - C (large star level).

Yes that's true he pulled the solar system, but look at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tls-Jli6eQE

As you can see, this man pulled a plane (plane's weight = 333 333 lbs or 151.197 tons). But I highly doubt he can actually destroy the plane with his bare hands. Same goes for PC Superman: pulling something doesn't mean you can destroy it.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

But he pulled all of that casually, compared to this man, who probably couldn't pulls it much faster.

 

[Jeune_fou]

That's true. But when we think about the sneeze thing, I think he is not solar system level because if it was true, then his enhanced sneeze should have destroyed multiple solar solar systems. But since his enhanced sneeze destroyed a single solar system, that means he is less strong than that if he uses his own strenght.

Also, now that I think about it, yes he pulled planets of that solar system. But he didn't pull the sun of that solar system (I can't see the sun in this pic: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109250/2155403-2.jpg). And in our solar system, the sun (a small star btw) = 99.86% of the mass of the solar system.

So even if we imagine there are more planets in that other solar system, then by excluding the sun he has to pull the same number of planets we can find in our solar system X more than 7 to pull only 1% of a solar system's mass (100 % - 99.86% = 0.14 % and 0.14% X 7 = 0.98%).

So basically even if he pulled like 60 planets, that's still far inferior to the whole mass of a solar system. So even if it was done casually, he most likely pulled less than 1% of a whole solar system and we can't use that feat to prove he is solar system level.

 

[Jeune_fou]

Sorry for spelling mistakes.

 

[Antvasima]

What is the proof that it was just Mister Mxyzptlk's powder enhancing him, and not his own power?

If it was Superman's own power, then sneezing is an extremely low energy attack compared to his physical prowess.

In addition, there are other feats, such as forcing himself into the center of the Big Bang.

 

[Jeune_fou]

What is the proof that it was just Mister Mxyzptlk's powder enhancing him, and not his own power?
If it was Superman's own power, then sneezing is an extremely low energy attack compared to his physical prowess.

In addition, there are other feats, such as forcing himself into the center of the Big Bang.

Someone told me (I didn't check though) normal humans were affected by it and were able to flip cars.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

If you're going to create a thread on the content revision board, you must provide evidence for the tier change. Further, due to the kinetic energy of astronomical bodies in orbit, you moving even a single earth size planet out of orbit can be easily comparable to dwarf star level. Moving an entire system of planets will be much higher, hence, solar system level is reasonable.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, there is the feat of withstanding part of the Big Bang. I have asked DontTalk to calculate it.

 

[The_Everlasting]

There's also this calc that supports PC Supes being 4-B.

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=18304

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. I will insert it while waiting for DontTalk.

 

[Jeune_fou]

If you're going to create a thread on the content revision board, you must provide evidence for the tier change. Further, due to the kinetic energy of astronomical bodies in orbit, you moving even a single earth size planet out of orbit can be easily comparable to dwarf star level. Moving an entire system of planets will be much higher, hence, solar system level is reasonable.

I'll know it for next time.

 

[Jeune_fou]

Superman easily pulled planets, but the sneeze stuff can easily be debunked. This guy shows his regular sneeze (that is to say unaffected by mr mxyzptlk's powder) does 0 damage to planet earth. It just makes him backward half-mile because of the force of his own sneeze.

It's here at 3 min 25: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMIJp2hd4YA

Even if he is not downgraded to 4 - C, I think we should remove the "Destroyed a solar system with a sneeze" from his profile to justify his attack potency, because his regular sneeze is no way near even mountain level (mountains are still there, and even the guy's car wasn't destroyed).

 

[Antvasima]

Well, that is most likely just regular DC Comics inconsistency.

 

[Jeune_fou]

Well, that is most likely just regular DC Comics inconsistency.

That's indeed something I dislike with comics. Power scaling doesn't work because someone like captain america (peak human) can sometimes defeat Hulk (or worse: Cyclops defeating Dormmamu as the topic said). That doesn't make any sense.

But still, I think his sneeze was enhanced by the powder, because if his regular sneeze was solar system level, then his full power punches should be at least as powerful, but he never showed that kind of strenght. So it's obvious his regular sneeze isn't solar system level (not even planet level, otherwise planet earth would have been destroyed already). I still think the solar system sneeze thing should be removed from his profile (he still have other proof he is solar system level, but not just with a sneeze, because if it was true, then his punches should be multi solar system level).

 

[Antvasima]

Well, this calculatio supports regular Pre-Crisis Superman as being solar system level, and he has another feat that places him as universal, if DontTalk is to be believed... and he is one of our most intelligent and sensible members, so I personally do.

 

[Jeune_fou]

Universal? How? Is that the famous "Superman flied so fast he nearly destroyed the universe"?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, Multi-Galaxy level for withstanding the Big Bang and destroying a structure that did the same thing.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Well, Multi-Galaxy level for withstanding the Big Bang and destroying a structure that did the same thing.

Man, I REALLY hope that goes through.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

It did.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

YES!!!!!!

 

[Jeune_fou]

I didn't know he had that kind of feat (it was not mentionned in his attack potency).

 

[Jeune_fou]

Suddunly I feel dumb for asking for a downgrade.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

He had multi-galaxy durability once upon a time until it was decided it was an outlier, and it wasn't noticed until recently that the object destroyed was actually near the center of the big bang.