Shalltear Bloodfallen VS Vlad von Carstein

[Sergeant_Hypocrite]

Shalltear Bloodfallen (Overlord) VS Vlad von Carstein (Warhammer Fantasy)

Both are 7-B

Speed is equalized

Shalltear Bloodfallen:

Vlad von Carstein:

Inconclusive:

 

[SomaKing13]

Man do i love some vampire fights, especially ones that are kind of balanced like this, Shalltear has the beginning advantage in regards to AP with a rough 2.4x, but Vlad by far has the skill advantage and intelligence, being a master strategist, a unparalled duelist amongst vampires outside of Abhorash, and at least a couple thousand years of experience. They both counter each others intangibility and summons (though Vlad can vastly out number her summons by the tens of thousands but he would VERY quickly learn this is a bad thing from watching her heal from it) She has better resistances that will keep him from quickly ending the fight and her Holy special attacks will help deal extra damage to him that will slow his natural vampiric regeneration, and his use of dark magic will is something she is weak against. Both of their weapons let them heal from dealing from damage. However this is when the tables start tilting in one favour over the other...

Firstly, his natural regeneration is directly superior to hers, acting significantly faster, nigh instantly, beginning to heal from damage in the middle of still taking said damage, and while vampires are weak to certain things like holy elements, significantly lesser vampires can still regenerate very quickly from said damage albeit at a reduced rate, with Vlad being far stronger than them, being able to regenerate from any and all wounds dealt outside of destruction of the heart...however, this is also not his only form of regeneration, having Mid-High regeneration due to his ring, being able to regenerate from being turned to ashes and even exploding into a mist and if the worst comes to happen and she SOMEHOW bypasses this and gets an actual kill, he will simply come back full strength a half a day later (which is under the incap time limit) and unlike her resurrection, he can do this an unlimited amount of times instead of just once. This ring also magically protects him from attacks as well, improving his chances of defending against her holy attacks, which she can't afford to waste as they either have limited use or cost mana, on top of this, she can't destroy the ring, as she would have to somehow over power the magic of Nagash who created the ring (as that spell is reliant on the spell casters magical power vs the object).

He can also VERY quickly surpass her initial AP advantage with literally dozens of different buffs of varying scale, and unlike her speed boost, he can fully attack and make use of the increased stats and attack her, as well as stack all of them if he was hard pressed enough. Another important detail about all of this, is a significant number of her powers can only work so many times a day before she can't use them any more, while the rest of her things require mana, which while immense WILL eventually run out, with most being countered by magic shields, using meatshields, illusions, completely negating the damage, tanking it, or simply dispelling it/powernulling it before it becomes a threat to him. Meanwhile, his magic doesn't use mana whatsoever, he can cast any kind of spells all day without running out of anything...

Her biggest boon here honestly is her Einherjar, which is going to be a pain in the ass, while it can't use any magic or special skills, it's still just as physically powerful as her main body and will be a problem, however, he has numerous methods of dealing with both of her fairly easily, as he has some major trump cards that she doesn't resist, the biggest one being the Lore of Shadows, Ulgu, which lets him cast some busted ass illusions that straight up ignore and trick even magical senses.
Like Mindhole and Mindslip which literally force the victim to straight up forget the very existence of the caster, Complete illusion which is a permanent and self perpetuating illusion that would make Aizen blush, Occam's Mindrazor which is a psychic slash attack that deals physical damage and if the target actually thinks it kills them it kills them instantly and most importantly Ribauld's Retroactive illusion, which literally sends an illusion back in time so that the victim has always been in the illusion the entire time. He even has a form of Izanagi in the form of Confound Foe, which can be cast EVEN IF THE CASTER IS ALREADY DEAD, negating their death entirely as if it never happened (as it technically never did now)

He also has numerous hax that she doesn't resist like transmutation, turning her into a crystal statue, or using a number of different aging spells that age the victim to dust, even immortals like Elves and vampires who are utterly immune to aging die in seconds. (she can negate these obviously with things like Time Reverse, but again, she can only do that 3 times a day, where can just keep using it to his hearts content)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Shalltear, along with the rest of the Overlord God-tiers is being downgraded to Low 7-C

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

Shalltear has significant hax advantage with Implosion, Teleportation, incorporeality while having non phys interaction against HIS intangibility, Time Accelerator, Time reversal based healing, Life Steal, Telekinesis (with the Hold spells that paralyze the target) somehow she doesnt have this on her profile even though ainz does, better Summoning, Power Null with Magic Destruction (are his abilities magical ?), Invisibility.

She's also resistant to some of his stuff

She also has better range and she is better at strategy ever since Vol. 11 where Ainz tought her some things.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Shalltear has significant hax advantage with Implosion, Teleportation, incorporeality while having non phys interaction against HIS intangibility, Time Accelerator, Time reversal based healing, Life Steal, Telekinesis (with the Hold spells that paralyze the target) somehow she doesnt have this on her profile even though ainz does, better Summoning, Power Null with Magic Destruction (are his abilities magical ?), Invisibility.

She's also resistant to some of his stuff

She also has better range and she is better at strategy ever since Vol. 11 where Ainz tought her some things.

And she has also been downgraded to Low 7-C.

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

Doesn't matter when a lot of her hax allow her to avoid being in a physical fight and to win without relying on AP. she also has an instant death curse on her weapons that kills stuff and I believe it was also said in the novels that wounds from that weapon were unable to be healed but I'm not sure but it doesnt matter because he doesn't resist death manipulation.

she can paralyze him with Mass Hold Species or mind control him and then finish him off while he's immobile

 

[DaReaperMan]

And this stops Vlad from haxing her to death why? Shalltear doesn't exactly hax a bitch in-character

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

How is HE going to hax HER ? are we reading the same profiles ? Shalltear is the one with hax advantage.

Shalltear is a lot more cautious because Ainz tought her tactics some time after her loss. she can also use life essence and mana essence to see that he's superior in raw stats so she will try to cheese.

her death hax is also a passive side effect of her weapon attacks.

I vote for Shalltear.

 

[DaReaperMan]

How is HE going to hax HER ? are we reading the same profiles ? Shalltear is the one with hax advantage.

Shalltear is a lot more cautious because Ainz tought her tactics some time after her loss. she can also use life essence and mana essence to see that he's superior in raw stats so she will try to cheese.

her death hax is also a passive side effect of her weapon attacks.

I vote for Shalltear.

Your vote is based on Vlad not having the hax advantage. Buddy. Taste this and the below

Man do i love some vampire fights, especially ones that are kind of balanced like this, Shalltear has the beginning advantage in regards to AP with a rough 2.4x, but Vlad by far has the skill advantage and intelligence, being a master strategist, a unparalled duelist amongst vampires outside of Abhorash, and at least a couple thousand years of experience. They both counter each others intangibility and summons (though Vlad can vastly out number her summons by the tens of thousands but he would VERY quickly learn this is a bad thing from watching her heal from it) She has better resistances that will keep him from quickly ending the fight and her Holy special attacks will help deal extra damage to him that will slow his natural vampiric regeneration, and his use of dark magic will is something she is weak against. Both of their weapons let them heal from dealing from damage. However this is when the tables start tilting in one favour over the other...

Firstly, his natural regeneration is directly superior to hers, acting significantly faster, nigh instantly, beginning to heal from damage in the middle of still taking said damage, and while vampires are weak to certain things like holy elements, significantly lesser vampires can still regenerate very quickly from said damage albeit at a reduced rate, with Vlad being far stronger than them, being able to regenerate from any and all wounds dealt outside of destruction of the heart...however, this is also not his only form of regeneration, having Mid-High regeneration due to his ring, being able to regenerate from being turned to ashes and even exploding into a mist and if the worst comes to happen and she SOMEHOW bypasses this and gets an actual kill, he will simply come back full strength a half a day later (which is under the incap time limit) and unlike her resurrection, he can do this an unlimited amount of times instead of just once. This ring also magically protects him from attacks as well, improving his chances of defending against her holy attacks, which she can't afford to waste as they either have limited use or cost mana, on top of this, she can't destroy the ring, as she would have to somehow over power the magic of Nagash who created the ring (as that spell is reliant on the spell casters magical power vs the object).

He can also VERY quickly surpass her initial AP advantage with literally dozens of different buffs of varying scale, and unlike her speed boost, he can fully attack and make use of the increased stats and attack her, as well as stack all of them if he was hard pressed enough. Another important detail about all of this, is a significant number of her powers can only work so many times a day before she can't use them any more, while the rest of her things require mana, which while immense WILL eventually run out, with most being countered by magic shields, using meatshields, illusions, completely negating the damage, tanking it, or simply dispelling it/powernulling it before it becomes a threat to him. Meanwhile, his magic doesn't use mana whatsoever, he can cast any kind of spells all day without running out of anything...

Her biggest boon here honestly is her Einherjar, which is going to be a pain in the ass, while it can't use any magic or special skills, it's still just as physically powerful as her main body and will be a problem, however, he has numerous methods of dealing with both of her fairly easily, as he has some major trump cards that she doesn't resist, the biggest one being the Lore of Shadows, Ulgu, which lets him cast some busted ass illusions that straight up ignore and trick even magical senses.
Like Mindhole and Mindslip which literally force the victim to straight up forget the very existence of the caster, Complete illusion which is a permanent and self perpetuating illusion that would make Aizen blush, Occam's Mindrazor which is a psychic slash attack that deals physical damage and if the target actually thinks it kills them it kills them instantly and most importantly Ribauld's Retroactive illusion, which literally sends an illusion back in time so that the victim has always been in the illusion the entire time. He even has a form of Izanagi in the form of Confound Foe, which can be cast EVEN IF THE CASTER IS ALREADY DEAD, negating their death entirely as if it never happened (as it technically never did now)

He also has numerous hax that she doesn't resist like transmutation, turning her into a crystal statue, or using a number of different aging spells that age the victim to dust, even immortals like Elves and vampires who are utterly immune to aging die in seconds. (she can negate these obviously with things like Time Reverse, but again, she can only do that 3 times a day, where can just keep using it to his hearts content)

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

Oh damn. sorry I totally overread that composite ability but isn't she resistant to a lot of that stuff ?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh damn. sorry I totally overread that composite ability but isn't she resistant to a lot of that stuff ?

She should, but it doesn't help that Vlad one-shots by flexing and has Age Manip that lolnos type 1 immortality

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

She's resistant to time manip and has stuff that can incapacitate him before he can cast magic

 

[DaReaperMan]

She's resistant to time manip and has stuff that can incapacitate him before he can cast magic

She opens with melee from memory however, and I'm pretty sure Vlad has the skill advantage by a few void whales

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

As I said. She doesn't just rush in anymore. Ainz tought her PvP tacticts in LN volume 11

 

[DaReaperMan]

so what are her main tactics now?

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

analyzing her opponent then acting accordingly, testing their weaknesses from a save distance. so when she sees someone that superior in raw stats she would probably teleport away and think of a plan

 

[DaReaperMan]

analyzing her opponent then acting accordingly, testing their weaknesses from a save distance. so when she sees someone that superior in raw stats she would probably teleport away and think of a plan

That gives Vlad enough time to drop millions of undead and shit on Shalltear and think of his own plan, such as turning into mist to get his hax off. And if his fear and mind screw is at all comparable to other hax of the same kind in Fantasy, they are vastly above the strongest mind manipulation feat in Overlord, which is a dozen people

 

[DaReaperMan]

But i am really not the person to be debating this with, I know more about Shalltear then I do on Vlad. I'll get the fantasy peeps here

 

[SomaKing13]

What about if her opponent is the better strategist, quicker thinker, has over 2000+ years of experience both dealing with other mages, outsmarting his enemies, dueling lords and even dealing with other vampires and has developed witchsight which lets him perceive This. As well as being someone who takes fights very seriously, generally wishing to end them as soon as possible in as little moves as possible. in direct relation to this, what stops him from just putting her into one of his countless types of illusions, said illusions that even completely trick Witchsight. He can also directly counter her teleporting with his own teleporting of which he has multiple different kinds, this is also ignoring the fact that he's literally 3653x stronger than her, ANY attack from him that hits her once instantly destroys her, meaning she has at most 4 chances if he even remotely touches her (this is her 1 time use reincarnation and her 3 time reversals if those even work after death as i've only seen her use them to negate damage not death) This also isn't including his other instant win moves like turning her into an amethyst statue, and unlike her own speed amp, he can actually dish out damage while amped, where she cannot. Her only saving grace before was being comparable in AP, now that that's gone, he basically holds all of the cards.

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

Shalltear should resist spells that instantly take someone out of the fight like petrification/ transmutation with her magic resistance.

She can still use implosion or other incapacitating hax on him.

And I don't think the time reversal skill lets her come back from death (as she has to be conscious to use it) just from grave injury

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

So I'm retracting my vote for now

either it's a hax tie or a stomp for Vlad

 

[DaReaperMan]

Which Vlad would know instantly and so much as love tap her twice with Teleportation.