Shall android 17 have low 2-C durability?

[Zamasu_Chan]

Please I beg, if we're gonna bring up the the U7 structure, PLEASE be civilized and not jump down each other's throats.

Anyway I do agree that the Makai, afterlife, and the living universe are spacial dimensions. They're connected because they're part of one globe and are sealed off by a physical barrier. However the Kai realm exists completely separated from the actual universe, even showing its own space time barrier/bubble; and only dimension travel can get you there. Tbh I don't understand why the Kai realm isn't treated as a separate space time continuum but I understand everything else tho. It's probably best to drop this and save this for another time in the form of a discussion.

Anyway, on the universal stuff: I think Sera's initial idea was the best option. For those who don't know what I'm talking about, it was to make 3-A low universal and low 2-C universal. 90% of fictions don't treat 3-A and low 2-C as infinite, this is because those verses has one meaning for universe.

My idea: Verses that differentiate 3-A and low 2-C should keep those ratings. For the verses that don't, give them low 2-C. A universe is all the space and time, the verses that don't differentiate the tiers are likely verses that have space and time relative to each other. Basically "If you destroy space, you destroy time as well".

 

[Akreious]

I agree with above. Most fictions that involve Universal Destruction includes it's time as well; a "Universe" being only it's physical matter is purely something we enforce on verses that don't treat Universes as such which makes no sense.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

To be fair, Dragon Ball isn't even close to being the worst example for not differentiating Low 2-C or 3-A. Marvel and DC for example has occurrences of not even treating 9-C and 1-A as an infinite gap.

 

[Crabwhale]

To be fair, Dragon Ball isn't even close to being the worst example for not differentiating Low 2-C or 3-A. Marvel and DC for example has occurrences of not even treating 9-C and 1-A as an infinite gap.

Unfathomably above infinite actually, but you know, semantics.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Yeah 3-A should be for verses that differentiate 3-A and low 2-C and for verses that don't have a multiverse.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Bump

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Bump

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Why did everyone abandon this all of a sudden?

 

[AKM sama]

The topic kinda derailed to how we should treat 3-A and Low 2-C in general, which honestly shouldn't be discussed in this thread.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Agreed with AKM Sama

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I'm neutral. I do agree 17 has the feats to be possibly Low 2-C via Durability ... or with his shields... But however you want to go about it is up to you guys.

And about the Kai's realm stuff....Is there any real proof that the 3-A feat can be treated as Low 2-C via affecting the Kai's realm and destroying it ? It kinda is relevant because if that's resolved this entire thread gets concluded anyways...

While I'm neutral about how we treat the Universe destruction feat... anyone mentioning it could be only matter... It wasn't actually specific. It said it was going to transformt he universe into a "void"... and only left it at that... But voids to my knowledge can be both without matter and without space-time. And the planets being destroyed was a physical demonstration... Because I doubt that they can visual depict space-time being destroyed... Besides a statement.

 

[AKM sama]

Just clearing it up, the statement about the "void" was only referring to the destruction caused by the shockwaves of their punches.

The later statements by Whis, Elder Kai and narrator, while referring to the dense energy ball never stated anything about turning the universe into a void. They were just your normal statements about "destroying the universe/world as a whole".

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

^ Truly we should get back on task.

 

[ProudLearner]

Do you guys think A-17 will get upgaded to Low-2C with the amount of evidence the OP has accumulated?

I would say yes, because Jire was using suppressed Low-2C power while fighting Post-Second UI SSB Goku and SSBE Vegeta which both are Low-2C. A-17 was involved in that fight helping out to eliminate Jire. He was receiving damage from a suprpressed Low-2C Jire which A-17 could handle.

 

[Ariandelle]

He is low 2-C, people are only scared for upgrading the rest. It has nothing to do with his feats being legitimate or not, they are, people don't want to upgrade anyone else is why ppl say he isn't even though he is. All of your evidence is true but it doesn't matter at be end of the day

 

[AKM sama]

I've already explained why he can't be Low 2-C. I think we should just close this thread.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I will do so then.