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Senator Armstrong vs Jedah (0-0-0)

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  • Speed equal
  • They start 20 meters away from each other
  • Rest is SBA

Stats​

  • Armstrong scale to >65.87528 Megatons.
  • Jedah scale to 8.09 megatons, 24.27 megatons with a critical hit
Armstrong as an AP advantage of >8.1428 X (One-Shot territory)
  • Armstrong scale to class G
  • Jedah scale to Superhuman
Armstrong as an overwhelming LS advantage

Senator Armstrong:
Jedah:
Inconclusive:
 
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It'll probably take some time with Jedah summoning Mogalls and Mogalls summoning more Mogalls but eventually Armstrong is going to go in for a bit for the fourth time and it will just kill him, Jedah really doesn't have anything that can kill him unless he specifically goes in to restrain him and steal his soul which he doesn't have a reason to do
 
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In battle, Jedah during his two boss fights mainly fight by continuously summoning waves of Mogalls. They aren't very threatening and Armstrong should one shot them. But given that Jedah summon several at a time and they each possess this skill:
  • Divide (Echoes): The Mogall creates a duplicate of itself, all duplicates are also capable of creating duplicates.
Armstrong will be dealing with a lot of them at once which could allow Jedah to buy time. Jedah will strike back with the spell Death if he is directly attacked by his opponent.

Because of Duma's Gift, Armstrong will need 4 blows to take down Jedah.
Jedah with Death can also ignore durability so he should be also able to deal damage.

The cultist have access to other options like his:
  • Soul Absorption (Unlikely to be used though since the reason he used it on Celica was because as a brand bearer, her soul was worth a lot of energy)
  • His BFR (More likely)
So no matter who win it shouldn't be a stomp.
 
Your pics dont work.
Is this the dude from Gaiden/Valentia? The ******* wizard who summons eyeballs? I haven't played it since launch so I barely remember.

In battle, Jedah during his two boss fights mainly fight by continuously summoning waves of Mogalls. They aren't very threatening and Armstrong should one shot them. But given that Jedah summon several at a time and they each possess this skill:
They're a nonfactor tbh, Armstrong is gonna literally be plowing through them like wet tissue.
Literally,


Armstrong will be dealing with a lot of them at once which could allow Jedah to buy time. Jedah will strike back with the spell Death if he is directly attacked by his opponent.
Armstrong does have quite a bit of ranged options, multiple shockwave moves mostly, but the range is quite decent on both. Armstrong also likes yeeting goons too.

Also this move.
Because of Duma's Gift, Armstrong will need 4 blows to take down Jedah.
Maybe, but some of Armstrong's attacks can hit in rapid succession multiple times like his geysers.
Jedah with Death can also ignore durability so he should be also able to deal damage.
That sounds spooky, but given you said damage and not DEATH, I assume it's like Dragon Rage from pokemon, like set damage?
The cultist have access to other options like his:
  • Soul Absorption (Unlikely to be used though since the reason he used it on Celica was because as a brand bearer, her soul was worth a lot of energy)
That I doubt he'd get off, isn't exactly quick and kinda felt like he needed prep to do it, not much prep but ya know, he'd legit prob die trying to cast that.
  • His BFR (More likely)
So no matter who win it shouldn't be a stomp.
How he do that? Magic circle?
 
Your pics dont work.
Yeah I don't know why
Is this the dude from Gaiden/Valentia? The ******* wizard who summons eyeballs? I haven't played it since launch so I barely remember.
That's him
They're a nonfactor tbh, Armstrong is gonna literally be plowing through them like wet tissue.
Literally,



Armstrong does have quite a bit of ranged options, multiple shockwave moves mostly, but the range is quite decent on both. Armstrong also likes yeeting goons too.

Also this move.

Yeah so the mogalls are useless
Maybe, but some of Armstrong's attacks can hit in rapid succession multiple times like his geysers.
Attack made of several consecutive strikes like Astra or Solo Triangle Attack only count as one blow in game. Are the geysers an attack that hit several times or several independant attack back to back ?
That sounds spooky, but given you said damage and not DEATH, I assume it's like Dragon Rage from pokemon, like set damage?
Kinda its a spell that treat your durability as if it was zero unless you have some defense against magic. It manifest as a giant skeleton head appearing before the target that breath darkness at them.

That I doubt he'd get off, isn't exactly quick and kinda felt like he needed prep to do it, not much prep but ya know, he'd legit prob die trying to cast that.
He seemingly don't need prep time but as you said it its pretty slow and the chance he use it is already low.
How he do that? Magic circle?
Like that
 
Yeah I don't know why
You probably used wiki url right? Just delete the url after the .png or whatever and it should show up.

Attack made of several consecutive strikes like Astra or Solo Triangle Attack only count as one blow in game. Are the geysers an attack that hit several times or several independant attack back to back ?
Both kinda? They attack continuously and last awhile, like 10 seconds, but it also spawns like, up to 18 of them in a row. Though unless he moves, he isn't gonna get hit by the others as theyre lined up, that does limit his motion a bit tho.
Armstrong does have no less than like 8 ranged and AOE moves tho so, not like he needs to punch him directly.
Kinda its a spell that treat your durability as if it was zero unless you have some defense against magic. It manifest as a giant skeleton head appearing before the target that breath darkness at them.
Can't he just dodge that?

That is kinda quick, though 1-2 seconds is enough for Armstrong to cover like 100m and bash his skull in so idk.
Is that the best range feat? If it only sends him a few hundred meters away it's kinda useless.
 
You probably used wiki url right? Just delete the url after the .png or whatever and it should show up.
It worked thanks
Can't he just dodge that?
He can there's like a short moment in between the head appearing and the breath being fired. So if he move right as the head appear he should be able do dodge it. However, it may take him by surprise since he likely as not faced such attack before, plus if he try to tank it like he did to Raiden's blows it would end badly.
That is kinda quick, though 1-2 seconds is enough for Armstrong to cover like 100m and bash his skull in so idk.
Is that the best range feat? If it only sends him a few hundred meters away it's kinda useless.
The range is uncertain, since the sending them below part is a lie, he just wanted them gone without Celica opposing him.
According to Mae:
Right back at ya, sister! That chump Jedah's magic send us to who-knows-where. We were surrounded by Terrors and junk-I thought we were dead meat! But then we heard this weird voice kinda... talking, I guess ? So we followed it because hey, why not ? And that's how we ended up here!
They went missing for several days and Celica met them again before the final boss after they received help from Mila to join her at Duma's altar. So it likely would take more than 24h for Armstrong to come back.
 
He can there's like a short moment in between the head appearing and the breath being fired. So if he move right as the head appear he should be able do dodge it. However, it may take him by surprise since he likely as not faced such attack before, plus if he try to tank it like he did to Raiden's blows it would end badly.
I don't think that's quite the same, he knew what Raiden could do, and that he could tank it.
Here he's fighting a literal magic wizard, think facetanking might be something he'd be a tad more cautious of, especially because he should know about the existence of wild dudes like mantis or the sorrow due to his government standing given he knew about the patriots.
The range is uncertain, since the sending them below part is a lie, he just wanted them gone without Celica opposing him.
According to Mae:
So is it not safe to assume he sent them as far away as he could then if he was lying?
In which case-
They went missing for several days and Celica met them again before the final boss after they received help from Mila to join her at Duma's altar. So it likely would take more than 24h for Armstrong to come back.
He has WAY better movement speed compared to them, they were forced to fight it looks like, but Armstrong not only shreds every enemy that can be tossed at him, to the point theyre not even a threat, he an do so while moving. If they were forced to fight, that'd eat up time, and if they couldn't escape, that'd eta up time, and then just traveling would eat up time. Armstrong himself can literally dash at mach speeds. If it'd take them 24h just to go Point A to Point B without any intervention, Armstrong would take like not even a hour comparatively.

Mind you, he'd have to do that before Armstrong lands 4 hits on him still.
 
I don't think that's quite the same, he knew what Raiden could do, and that he could tank it.
Here he's fighting a literal magic wizard, think facetanking might be something he'd be a tad more cautious of, especially because he should know about the existence of wild dudes like mantis or the sorrow due to his government standing given he knew about the patriots.

So is it not safe to assume he sent them as far away as he could then if he was lying?
In which case-

He has WAY better movement speed compared to them, they were forced to fight it looks like, but Armstrong not only shreds every enemy that can be tossed at him, to the point theyre not even a threat, he an do so while moving. If they were forced to fight, that'd eat up time, and if they couldn't escape, that'd eta up time, and then just traveling would eat up time. Armstrong himself can literally dash at mach speeds. If it'd take them 24h just to go Point A to Point B without any intervention, Armstrong would take like not even a hour comparatively.

Mind you, he'd have to do that before Armstrong lands 4 hits on him still.
That's fair
 
Huh, didn't realize peeps from Archanea/Valentia are now 7-B.

Anyways...

On one hand, Armstrong only needs to get 3 hits in before he literally rips Jedah in half, and the Mogalls that are summoned are no exception to this.

On the other hand, Armstrong tends to tank things as opposed to dodging iirc, and that's very bad against an opponent who has armor/skin bypassing duraneg for all of their attacks (which also applies to the Mogalls). Then again, until it damages his heart or smth, he can probably take a few magic hits cause of his survivability.
 
Huh, didn't realize peeps from Archanea/Valentia are now 7-B.

Anyways...

On one hand, Armstrong only needs to get 3 hits in before he literally rips Jedah in half, and the Mogalls that are summoned are no exception to this.

On the other hand, Armstrong tends to tank things as opposed to dodging iirc, and that's very bad against an opponent who has armor/skin bypassing duraneg for all of their attacks (which also applies to the Mogalls)
As above

Plus like, it doesn't even matter much, he does have regen. Taking duraneg doesn't mean much if he can just heal it off.
Actually wait, armor/skin bypassing? Is that the lore? Armstrong doesn't wear armor, duh, and his internals equally as durable. It's directly stated he's a claytronic human by Doktor, every atom of his body is made of the same substance and will react accordingly. We even see this when he gets gutted or dismembered.
 
Actually wait, armor/skin bypassing? Is that the lore?
According to Engage, and Sacred Stones anyways.
Armstrong doesn't wear armor, duh,
His shirt at the beginning of the fight begs to differ
and his internals equally as durable. It's directly stated he's a claytronic human by Doktor, every atom of his body is made of the same substance and will react accordingly. We even see this when he gets gutted or dismembered.
Eh, maybe for his base form, but they don’t seem to be nearly as durable as his hardened nanomachine body at the very least, given that Raiden could easily pull out, and crush his heart like a balloon.
 
According to Engage, and Sacred Stones anyways.
I wouldn't really call that duraneg then, more just bypassing external defenses.
Eh, maybe for his base form, but they don’t seem to be nearly as durable as his hardened nanomachine body at the very least, given that Raiden could easily pull out, and crush his heart like a balloon.
Raiden at that point was able to box him and actually hurt him with raw punches, including his hardened body.
And his heart is the only part that's like that as it's the central control unit for the nanites. Even then it's still just as durable as his usual self, which is the AP value here. His hardened body upscales even higher.
But like, there's no guesswork to be had here, we're flatout told that's how his body works and we even see it twice.
 
I wouldn't really call that duraneg then, more just bypassing external defenses.
  • Attacking internal structures - An attack that somehow bypasses the upper layers of the body and attacks the internal organs or an equivalent. This can be done in a wide variety of ways. It is considered a form of negation due to the fact that internal structures and specifically parts whose function isn't to support the structure and stability of the body are much easier to injure or otherwise damage.
Raiden at that point was able to box him and actually hurt him with raw punches, including his hardened body.
And his heart is the only part that's like that as it's the central control unit for the nanites. Even then it's still just as durable as his usual self, which is the AP value here. His hardened body upscales even higher.
But like, there's no guesswork to be had here, we're flatout told that's how his body works and we even see it twice.
Wasn’t Raiden in Ripper Mode for that? Idk if the red eye at the beginning was an indication of that, or just a visual effect. The current profile seems to indicate the former.

Come to think of it, do we ever see Armstrong perform a notable physical feat when unhardened? Not that I would be surprised if his AP/Dura was 7-B regardless, at least when he’s juiced up
 
  • Attacking internal structures - An attack that somehow bypasses the upper layers of the body and attacks the internal organs or an equivalent. This can be done in a wide variety of ways. It is considered a form of negation due to the fact that internal structures and specifically parts whose function isn't to support the structure and stability of the body are much easier to injure or otherwise damage.
Internal structures isnt just ignoring armor though. Thats like organ damage not bypass a shield or plate armor.
Wasn’t Raiden in Ripper Mode for that?
Not even remotely.
Idk if the red eye at the beginning was an indication of that, or just a visual effect. The current profile seems to indicate the former.
Well it aint given you can literally go into Ripper Mode.
Not withstanding he literally has red eyes normally.

RM is indicated by a red aura, not eyes, even in cutscenes like when Blade didnt give paw.
Come to think of it, do we ever see Armstrong perform a notable physical feat when unhardened? Not that I would be surprised if his AP/Dura was 7-B regardless
Yes, literally a bunch of the times Raiden hit him failed to harden him. He only turns black when struck real ******* hard.
 
Internal structures isnt just ignoring armor though. Thats like organ damage not bypass a shield or plate armor.
Magic bypasses all physical defenses. Not just armor, but skin/hide as well.

Not even remotely.

Well it aint given you can literally go into Ripper Mode.
Not withstanding he literally has red eyes normally.

RM is indicated by a red aura, not eyes, even in cutscenes like when Blade didnt give paw.
The profile should preferably be changed to reflect that then, cause as of now, it implies that Raiden was in Ripper Mode the whole fight.

Yes, literally a bunch of the times Raiden hit him failed to harden him. He only turns black when struck real ******* hard.
Oh yeah, during that one speech.
 
Magic bypasses all physical defenses. Not just armor, but skin/hide as well.
You literally already said it was just armor, wheres the skin part coming from?
Well not like it matters, as said, Armstrong's internals are equally strong, Doktor straight up explains this in codec.
The profile should preferably be changed to reflect that then, cause as of now, it implies that Raiden was in Ripper Mode the whole fight.
I mean, why? Raiden being able to do more damage in RM doesnt change the numerous QTEs in phase 2 where he isnt in it yet Armstrong literally states the attacks hurt now compared to before as they do like 10x as much damage.

This doesnt even matter, all this would do is make the gap even more insane if youre arguing Armstrong was actually folding Raiden in a state that's drastically stronger than his base state.
Oh yeah, during that one speech.
I mean in general, all throughout the fight.
 
You literally already said it was just armor, wheres the skin part coming from?

A couple messages ago:
On the other hand, Armstrong tends to tank things as opposed to dodging iirc, and that's very bad against an opponent who has armor/skin bypassing duraneg for all of their attacks (which also applies to the Mogalls). Then again, until it damages his heart or smth, he can probably take a few magic hits cause of his survivability.

Also on the profiles:
Magic and Durability Negation (Magic completely bypasses physical defenses such as armor or thick hides)

I mean, why? Raiden being able to do more damage in RM doesnt change the numerous QTEs in phase 2 where he isnt in it yet Armstrong literally states the attacks hurt now compared to before as they do like 10x as much damage.

This doesnt even matter, all this would do is make the gap even more insane if youre arguing Armstrong was actually folding Raiden in a state that's drastically stronger than his base state.
Because RM is clearly not the reason why Raiden can harm Armstrong via punches the second phase, if he doesn't even need to use it to harm him? Also, I watched the clips where Raiden hurts 2nd phase Armstrong via his punches, and Armstrong's body doesn't actually get hardened, nor does he ever hit the areas that are hardened. And when he does hit Armstrong in his hardened areas, like in the last punch here, it deals no damage.
So not only was Raiden not in RM, he didn't even hurt Armstrong's hardened state in the first place. We already know from the first phase of the fight that Raiden can hurt Armstrong's unhardened form, so including it in the RM section is not only misleading (as in, it implies that he was A: In Ripper Mode, and B: Has harmed Armstrong's hardened state via his punches), but is just pointless for the aforementioned reasons.


For the record, I believe Armstrong just rips Jedah in half after engaging him 4 times more often than not; The AP/LS gap is already immense as it is, and his internals being 8x as durable as Jedah's AP does him no favors.
 
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