Scream: Speed and Stamina upgrade

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So, the speed and stamina of most characters look incoherent. Here's what it should change in my opinion
Travel Speed
Should be upgraded to Peak Human. Sidney can keep up with Roman, who has this speed on his profile. That also may or may not be supported by the following: Charlie disappears when Sidney turns her head to talk with the cops. Mickey has entered onto a theater and left unnoticed by anyone. Ethan ran across a theater in seconds.
C/R Speed
Should have changes too, Mickey and Nancy were stated to not scale to Sidney due to them not being able to keep up with her, but I would disagree: After being slammed onto a pillar, Mickey intercepts Sidney and gets the gun before she can do so. Supported by him being able to attack two cops before either could react, who should scale to Dewey and Wayne, as they are all cops who passed through the same training, and if I'm not mistaken, aren't those two stated to be the best cops on the town or smth? Dewey is able to keep up with Amber, who can attack Gale and Sidney before they can react, both of whom were at this level of speed via scaling to Roman. Nancy's able to pull the trigger before Mickey, therefore scales to him. Scream 4, 5 and 6 should all have Super Human C/R speed, as they can fight Gale, Sidney, Dewey, Sam and Tara (who can fight Amber, therefore scales to her.)
Stamina
Richie, Amber and Wayne's feats should be higher than just Athlete Human, perhaps Ethan and Quinn's feats too. Stu's able to fight Sidney while bleeding out. The other characters should scale to them, as they can keep up with them

 

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Following; I only watched the 1st 2 movies, but I'm only here to watch unless if I need to say something.

 

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Travel Speed
Should be upgraded to Peak Human. Sidney can keep up with Roman, who has this speed on his profile.

That’s combat and reaction speed, not travel speed.

That also may or may not be supported by the following: Charlie disappears when Sidney turns her head to talk with the cops.

Maybe, but the distance is fairly short.

Mickey has entered onto a theater and left unnoticed by anyone.

That’s just stealth, as he blended in with everyone else, and he just ran away from the scene.

Ethan ran across a theater in seconds.

He took the same shortcut he took earlier when he arrived. Definitely not peak human.

C/R Speed
After being slammed onto a pillar, Mickey intercepts Sidney and gets the gun before she can do so. Supported by him being able to attack two cops before either could react, who should scale to Dewey and Wayne, as they are all cops who passed through the same training, and if I'm not mistaken, aren't those two stated to be the best cops on the town or smth?

Pretty sure he just grabs the gun which is like 2 feet away from him while Sidney takes the longer route around the stage. Just seems like travel speed. Also, he completely caught those officers off guard while they weren’t even aware of his presence and I don’t see why they would scale to Dewey or Wayne because they definitely don’t display the same speed and they seem fairly old.

Dewey is able to keep up with Amber, who can attack Gale and Sidney before they can react, both of whom were at this level of speed via scaling to Roman.

Amber scales to an out of prime Sid, Gale, and Dewey, who all are definitely way too old to fight against Roman in Scream 3 and therefore they wouldn’t have the superhuman c/r speed they had in their prime.

Nancy's able to pull the trigger before Mickey, therefore scales to him.

She kinda already had the gun pointed at him and raised it before him.

Scream 4, 5 and 6 should all have Super Human C/R speed, as they can fight Gale, Sidney, Dewey, Sam and Tara (who can fight Amber, therefore scales to her.)

4, 5, and 6 they’re basically out of prime so they wouldn’t scale to Superhuman like in Scream 1-3. And if we’re being specific, Jill just ambushes Dewey groom behind and attacks Sidney just as she gains consciousness. Charlie sorta keeps up with Sidney but is eventually overwhelmed cuz he’s not as fast.

Stamina
Richie, Amber and Wayne's feats should be higher than just Athlete Human, perhaps Ethan and Quinn's feats too. Stu's able to fight Sidney while bleeding out. The other characters should scale to them, as they can keep up with them

Richie’s feats are just Athletic, same with Wayne, Quinn, and Ethan’s. Amber’s might be higher due to getting up minutes after being burnt alive.

 

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That’s combat and reaction speed, not travel speed.

I should have put a time stamp, but after flopping on the table, they recreated the S1 Chase scene.

Maybe, but the distance is fairly short.

Fair

That’s just stealth, as he blended in with everyone else, and he just ran away from the scene.

Also fair

He took the same shortcut he took earlier when he arrived. Definitely not peak human.

The Shortcut hallway length is pretty long if i'm not mistaken, or i'm just mistaking the two ways of moving around the theater

Pretty sure he just grabs the gun which is like 2 feet away from him while Sidney takes the longer route around the stage. Just seems like travel speed. Also, he completely caught those officers off guard while they weren’t even aware of his presence and I don’t see why they would scale to Dewey or Wayne because they definitely don’t display the same speed and they seem fairly old.

Dewey and Wayne are fairly old too, and both had time to react, especially the other one.

Amber scales to an out of prime Sid, Gale, and Dewey, who all are definitely way too old to fight against Roman in Scream 3 and therefore they wouldn’t have the superhuman c/r speed they had in their prime.

Is there any evidence that Sidney is out of prime? If so, why doesn't she have different keys?

She kinda already had the gun pointed at him and raised it before him.

Mickey once again had some seconds to react

4, 5, and 6 they’re basically out of prime so they wouldn’t scale to Superhuman like in Scream 1-3. And if we’re being specific, Jill just ambushes Dewey groom behind and attacks Sidney just as she gains consciousness. Charlie sorta keeps up with Sidney but is eventually overwhelmed cuz he’s not as fast.

Dewey's a cop and had time to react, plus Jill's injured via being stabbed in her shoulder, according to IA, a shoulder wound decreases your Attack Speed by at least 20%. Jill didn't attack Dewey while he had his back turned, he had turned in Jill's direction but Jill was faster than him.

Richie’s feats are just Athletic, same with Wayne, Quinn, and Ethan’s. Amber’s might be higher due to getting up minutes after being burnt alive.

I don't think many athletes can endure 20-30 stab wounds, Quinn had her teeth knocked out by a brick being slammed onto her face, Ethan had five wounds on his torso/shoulder area and an inner throat stab and was running and screaming like nothing happened, but that may indeed be only athlete.

 

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I should have put a time stamp, but after flopping on the table, they recreated the S1 Chase scene.

Yeah but Sidney just used props and stuff to slow him down cuz you kinda see he was catching up.

Dewey and Wayne are fairly old too, and both had time to react, especially the other one.

The first guy didn’t have any time to react. The second guy was focused on getting his gun out.

Is there any evidence that Sidney is out of prime? If so, why doesn't she have different keys?

Compare her in Scream 3, she’s in her mid 20’s which is the age of most people’s prime. In Scream 5, they’re in they’re almost 50 or in their 60’s. So no, they definitely aren’t in their prime. They don’t have keys because it wasn’t discussed when their profiles were created.

Mickey once again had some seconds to react

Barely but fair.

Dewey's a cop and had time to react, plus Jill's injured via being stabbed in her shoulder, according to IA, a shoulder wound decreases your Attack Speed by at least 20%. Jill didn't attack Dewey while he had his back turned, he had turned in Jill's direction but Jill was faster than him.

He had barely a second to react. She literally snuck up on him from behind and swings the pan just as he turns around. Sidney was even the one who needed to tell him to turn around.

I don't think many athletes can endure 20-30 stab wounds, Quinn had her teeth knocked out by a brick being slammed onto her face, Ethan had five wounds on his torso/shoulder area and an inner throat stab and was running and screaming like nothing happened, but that may indeed be only athlete.

They don’t do anything but sit there in pain after the stabs, plus there are real life instances where people have been shot or stabbed around the same number of times and lived. Having your teeth knocked out really isn’t peak human either.

 

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Yeah but Sidney just used props and stuff to slow him down cuz you kinda see he was catching up.

Really slowly though, Sidney even managed to get out of his sight. So, I still think it's fair to get her Peak Human Speed

The first guy didn’t have any time to react. The second guy was focused on getting his gun out.

Maybe the first guy, but not the second, as even though he was focused on getting his gun, he still was looking towards Mickey.

Compare her in Scream 3, she’s in her mid 20’s which is the age of most people’s prime. In Scream 5, they’re in they’re almost 50 or in their 60’s. So no, they definitely aren’t in their prime. They don’t have keys because it wasn’t discussed when their profiles were created.

This is just an assumption, not only have we never had any proof she had any upgrades or downgrades physically, people in their 30s are more likely to be in their prime, Sidney was 32 in 2011, and 42 at Scream 5. But by what I searched, people get slower on their 60s, while Gale is 59 at S6 and Dewey was 51. But as we never had any statements about whether they had gotten weaker or slower, that is irrelevant, and even if they were on their 70s, if we never had any visual proof or statements they got weaker, then they didn't. Maybe Dewey does though, as he now limp, but his C/R speed and Strength likely didn't decrease

He had barely a second to react. She literally snuck up on him from behind and swings the pan just as he turns around. Sidney was even the one who needed to tell him to turn around.

Less than a second is enough to react, Idk a lot about cop's training, but Dewey is trained for this isn't he?

They don’t do anything but sit there in pain after the stabs, plus there are real life instances where people have been shot or stabbed around the same number of times and lived. Having your teeth knocked out really isn’t peak human either.

Okay, but what about having ALL your teeth knocked out? And wouldn't them scale to charachters like Chad, who are at this stamina level?

 

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Okay

Huh, apparently my phone failed to have the full reply here.

Regardless, common sense can only go so far since people are still deciding via emotion and bias. In this instance, even if I held Quinn's knocked teeth out feat to a higher regard, anyone could survive that since it's not really a near-lethal injury that hits a vital organ. We can't even tell if the teeth could've choked her.

 

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Huh, apparently my phone failed to have the full reply here.

Regardless, common sense can only go so far since people are still deciding via emotion and bias. In this instance, even if I held Quinn's knocked teeth out feat to a higher regard, anyone could survive that since it's not really a near-lethal injury that hits a vital organ. We can't even tell if the teeth could've choked her.

I meant about pain/injury intolerance and not endurance! Sorry, I should have been more clear

 

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Really slowly though, Sidney even managed to get out of his sight. So, I still think it's fair to get her Peak Human Speed

Debatable but it’s similar to Gale’s chase in Scream VI; She gets a minor head starts and just starts throwing stuff down when he catches up and only gets away from him by pushing a cart of equipment down towards him.

Maybe the first guy, but not the second, as even though he was focused on getting his gun, he still was looking towards Mickey.

He opens the door and by that time, Mickey has all ready jumped over the car and by the time he turns around he already gets kicked in the face.

This is just an assumption, not only have we never had any proof she had any upgrades or downgrades physically, people in their 30s are more likely to be in their prime, Sidney was 32 in 2011, and 42 at Scream 5. But by what I searched, people get slower on their 60s, while Gale is 59 at S6 and Dewey was 51. But as we never had any statements about whether they had gotten weaker or slower, that is irrelevant, and even if they were on their 70s, if we never had any visual proof or statements they got weaker, then they didn't. Maybe Dewey does though, as he now limp, but his C/R speed and Strength likely didn't decrease

Most women reach their peak within their 20’s. You can argue Scream 4, but Scream 5 they’re decades older than what they originally were. Gale is much older and is obviously too out of shape to now fight against Roman. The same thing with Sidney, statements don’t really matter here. Even while fighting against Amber or other Ghostface’s you can eee them getting exhausted. Especially without any proper training like in self defense they’re most likely not up to date with their peak strength. If they were in their 70’s, yes you’d still consider them out of prime. Dewey has a limp and nerve damage and definitely out of prime, since now he’s just a trailer guy who watches TV and apparently rescues dogs compared to the past when he was a police chief.

Less than a second is enough to react, Idk a lot about cop's training, but Dewey is trained for this isn't he?

No, it’s actually really not. Training or not, getting the jump on someone is different from blitzing them or even keeping up with them since they just rely on stealth. Take Quinn for example. Throughout the entire chase scene Gale intercepts every attack from her except form when she stealth attacks her, it’s completely different.

Okay, but what about having ALL your teeth knocked out? And wouldn't them scale to charachters like Chad, who are at this stamina level?

You can see all of her teeth definitely weren’t knocked out, plus it’s not fatal at all and I’m pretty sure athletes could survive or even walk that off.

 

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Debatable but it’s similar to Gale’s chase in Scream VI; She gets a minor head starts and just starts throwing stuff down when he catches up and only gets away from him by pushing a cart of equipment down towards him.

It's quite different here, Sidney was WAY CLOSER to Gf, and it was still pretty slightly.

He opens the door and by that time, Mickey has all ready jumped over the car and by the time he turns around he already gets kicked in the face.

I just rewatched it and both had around a second to react, specially the first who had like two

Most women reach their peak within their 20’s. You can argue Scream 4, but Scream 5 they’re decades older than what they originally were. Gale is much older and is obviously too out of shape to now fight against Roman. The same thing with Sidney, statements don’t really matter here.

I once again researched, and it just stated that it is between 20 and 40. Once again, this is just an assumption, as MOST women reach it around their 20s. However, in the media, your peak may be in your early 10s or late 80s instead, or maybe in your late 60s instead, etc.

Even while fighting against Amber or other Ghostface’s you can eee them getting exhausted.

Just a Stamina downgrade, we still never had any proof they had changed in terms of Strength or Speed.

No, it’s actually really not. Training or not, getting the jump on someone is different from blitzing them or even keeping up with them since they just rely on stealth. Take Quinn for example. Throughout the entire chase scene Gale intercepts every attack from her except form when she stealth attacks her, it’s completely different.

Dewey had time to react, around 1-2 seconds so... Also add the speed downgrade due to the wound in her shoulder

You can see all of her teeth definitely weren’t knocked out, plus it’s not fatal at all and I’m pretty sure athletes could survive or even walk that off.

Idk, I didn't found many info about it, I still think you can't walk and ran after having some teeth knocked out of your mouth, along with the brick impact in her face, so.

 

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Idk, I didn't found many info about it, I still think you can't walk and ran after having some teeth knocked out of your mouth, along with the brick impact in her face, so.

Then prove to me how you're not going to get killed or physically crippled severely in your ability to fight by having your teeth knocked out

 

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Then prove to me how you're not going to get killed or physically crippled severely in your ability to fight by having your teeth knocked out

Like I stated, not endurance therefore not be killed, but yes pain/injure tolerance, Quinn clearly lost a lot of blood after this, as a bonus the brick being smashed onto her face, and I did find that you will need to seek immediate help incase your teeth gets knocked out, so... At least Athlete, but Peak seems more coherent to me tbh

 

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Like I stated, not endurance therefore not be killed, but yes pain/injure tolerance, Quinn clearly lost a lot of blood after this, as a bonus the brick being smashed onto her face, and I did find that you will need to seek immediate help incase your teeth gets knocked out, so... At least Athlete, but Peak seems more coherent to me tbh

And why do you need immediate help when your teeth is knocked out. Give me the link where you're getting that info. How would getting your teeth knocked out be as comparable or on the level of "withstanding throat stabs" or stabs to the groin.

Gale withstood a stab in the chest and she's still athletic in stamina. Mainly because you technically can live with one lung.

 

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And why do you need immediate help when your teeth is knocked out. Give me the link where you're getting that info.

Here

How would getting your teeth knocked out be as comparable or on the level of "withstanding throat stabs" or stabs to the groin.

We don't have an exact way to scale Stamina, do we? How do we know if withstanding throat stabs is peak human or super human for example?
I just think that teeth being knocked out is between a high athlete and a low peak human, while throat slashing is more up to a high peak human and possibly a low superhuman.

Gale withstood a stab in the chest and she's still athletic in stamina. Mainly because you technically can live with one lung.

If you have a lung ripped out, without any medical attention you will have no way of living, doesn't you? (Yes I know the difference between passing through a whole operation in order to remove one and straight up ripping one off, just using it as an example), I guess the same may be for teeth though, no medical support will be equal to a certain amount of blood loss, one tooth knocked out may not be a high amount of blood loss, but Quinn had a lot of teeth being knocked out at once, and we can see in her mouth and even while she was at the ground after she gets a brick to her face that she had a decent blood loss and I had count 4-5 teeth being knocked off.

 

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We don't have an exact way to scale Stamina, do we? How do we know if withstanding throat stabs is peak human or super human for example?
I just think that teeth being knocked out is between a high athlete and a low peak human, while throat slashing is more up to a high peak human and possibly a low superhuman.

I sotta get what you're trying to say. The thing that stamina and intelligence is vague to measure. But that doesn't mean we should have Lady lovelace (inventor of a computer), regular people, etc reasoned into higher or lower intelligence than they should ratings cuz something is vague. Same thing for stamina. How can you tell ripping out a lung and having your lung collapse from a shank is comparable? And yet you can tell the difference between having stamina to stand or to withstand having your heart ripped out? I feel like I could tell you getting a stab to the lung is different from actually having it ripped out, but it's besides the point I wanna make.

Uh, we do have examples of Peak Human Stamina feats. It's just that stamina needs to be more defined on the page of stamina.

And since you complained that we don't have an exact way to determine stamina I'll throw it back. We don't have a way of determining how an injury that needs immediate help is on par with ripping your lung out. I could literally down play the statement on the level of withstanding breaking your leg rather than your heart, that's the problem.

 

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But is not enough to say if certain d

I sotta get what you're trying to say. The thing that stamina and intelligence is vague to measure. But that doesn't mean we should have Lady lovelace (inventor of a computer), regular people, etc reasoned into higher or lower intelligence than they should ratings cuz something is vague.

I know, the point is: Is it hard to actually decide if certain thing is lower or higher than it actually is, like the whole teeth being knocked out feat, is it athlete? Peak human? Superhuman? Or do you need infinite stamina to walk it off like nothing happened?

Same thing for stamina. How can you tell ripping out a lung and having your lung collapse from a shank is comparable? And yet you can tell the difference between having stamina to stand or to withstand having your heart ripped out? I feel like I could tell you getting a stab to the lung is different from actually having it ripped out, but it's besides the point I wanna make.

I'm well aware, I was just trying to make an example of my point, no medical help = death, or high blood loss. Which Quinn didn't had

Uh, we do have examples of Peak Human Stamina feats. It's just that stamina needs to be more defined on the page of stamina.

And since you complained that we don't have an exact way to determine stamina I'll throw it back. We don't have a way of determining how an injury that needs immediate help is on par with ripping your lung out. I could literally down play the statement on the level of withstanding breaking your leg rather than your heart, that's the problem.

Exactly, that's the problem, we don't know which feat is peak human low end or high end, which means that having your teeth ripped out may be on the same level, let's pretend that for peak human, you need to reach an energy of 100 of idk. While the high end is 2000000, teeth ripping out may be 105-110, while lung stabbing is 20000-30000, which puts them at the same level, but have a high difference. But I think the main difference is that Gale was clearly weakened, and was struggling, and needed medical help. Quinn on the other hand was running without struggle, didn't even seemed to be any weaker, and didn't needed help.

 

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Honestly I really don’t see Quinn getting hit with a brick being Peak Human. It should just be listed as Athletic. Only characters I can see having Peak Human stamina are Amber and maybe Roman. All the other ones are just Athletic.

Peak Human: Characters who can push themselves to the limits of any normal human's stamina.

I’m pretty sure an athletic person could survive having their teeth knocked out by a brick, plus Quinn was bleeding just for a sec before it stopped.

 

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I just rewatched it and both had around a second to react, specially the first who had like two

That’s still barely enough time, and it’s another stealth attack.

I once again researched, and it just stated that it is between 20 and 40. Once again, this is just an assumption, as MOST women reach it around their 20s. However, in the media, your peak may be in your early 10s or late 80s instead, or maybe in your late 60s instead, etc.

It’s still the best assumption that any woman would reach their prime within around their 20’s according to most sources. Someone in their late 80’s definitely would most likely not be up to date with their strength in their let’s say late 20’s or early 30’s. If they’re exhausted from fighting against a teenager, then most likely their other strengths aren’t up to par. Pretty sure that’s how it works on this wiki unless they’re visibly shown to be stronger than before. Someone who’s 22 years older than their prime trilogy most likely won’t be as strong now especially without any proper training and we’re not just gonna say Gale, who’s almost 60, is up to date with her prime 30 y/o self.

Just a Stamina downgrade, we still never had any proof they had changed in terms of Strength or Speed.

Which further evidences their other statistics downgrade.

Dewey had time to react, around 1-2 seconds so... Also add the speed downgrade due to the wound in her shoulder

Barely… and still, like I already said, stealth attacks are different in correlation for speed. Look at Gale’s attack as an example.

 

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But is not enough to say if certain d

I know, the point is: Is it hard to actually decide if certain thing is lower or higher than it actually is, like the whole teeth being knocked out feat, is it athlete? Peak human? Superhuman? Or do you need infinite stamina to walk it off like nothing happened?

I'm well aware, I was just trying to make an example of my point, no medical help = death, or high blood loss. Which Quinn didn't had

Exactly, that's the problem, we don't know which feat is peak human low end or high end, which means that having your teeth ripped out may be on the same level, let's pretend that for peak human, you need to reach an energy of 100 of idk. While the high end is 2000000, teeth ripping out may be 105-110, while lung stabbing is 20000-30000, which puts them at the same level, but have a high difference. But I think the main difference is that Gale was clearly weakened, and was struggling, and needed medical help. Quinn on the other hand was running without struggle, didn't even seemed to be any weaker, and didn't needed help.

And specify how getting your teeth knocked out is lethal in real life to regular people. A claim of "you need medical help" at that point is circular reasoning at this point of you say it again. The examples I linked are more high end survival for people compared to the lower getting your teeth knocked out.

And no, I'm not saying Quinn's stamina feat is peak human when we don't know the boundary between athletic and peak human. If we're going to use vague definitions to upgrade, then why not make normal people peak human in stamina since that is the limit when they run long enough to tire themselves?