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Scout vs Tracer

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Scout.

Scout with 8 years fought men of apocalypse, merasmus, HSS, monoculus and many other gods. in addition to being one of the deadliest mercenaries, the world's fastest man in his universe, he was considered the terror of boston. Scout killed the heavy with 3 bat swings, with tracer would not be even 2 hits.

In a melee battle, as i said above, there would be no chances to tracer. Scout killed a heavy with three bat swings, and tracer have no experience in hand-to-hand combat.

in a battle with weapons she could have chances with her pulse bomb, but scout can use the BONK! Atomic punch to get rid of, and the attacks her when shes has low guard. the scout scattergun is far more superior in damage than Tracer pistols.

in a long-ranged battle scout can use his pistol, or use the home run combo with the meat cleaver.

Tracer can teleport to divert Scout attacks, but it would arrive an hour that her chronal accelerator runs out, and the scout can break it using his weapons, since the doomfist broke it using his hands.

Scout can also dodge tracer attacks by simply jumping and running, since he has the doubles jumps and the great speed as an advantage.

Scout

+ Much more stronger and experienced in combat

+ More speed

+ More durability

+ Better weapons and more arsenal

+ BONK! Atomic punch makes him invencibly to any kind of tracer's damage


Tracer

+ Infinite ammo

+ She can teleport to avoid scout attacks and recall to restore her life


- Less stronger and experienced in combat

- Less speed

- Less durability

- Small arsenal and lower damage weaponry

Vote for the scout. tracer have no chances.
 
Tracer is faster, hence why speed is equalized. Not even BONK! Scout can match her speed.

They are equal in strength and durability.

Ammo is meaningless.

BONK! Does not make Scout Invincible, it makes all attacks miss.

Pretty sure they are equal in experience, if not Tracer is more so.
 
I say he's invincible because the bonk makes him faster to dodge anything.

Tracer is faster, but not faster than the scout.

How you fight with weapons without ammo.

Tracer dont have more experience in combat than the Scout.
 
Poor tracer...

fight with a guy who can kill gray mann robots with one blow from a baseball bat....
 
TeenAngel101 said:
Tracer is faster, hence why speed is equalized. Not even BONK! Scout can match her speed.
They are equal in strength and durability.

Ammo is meaningless.

BONK! Does not make Scout Invincible, it makes all attacks miss.

Pretty sure they are equal in experience, if not Tracer is more so.
LegendaryHerker is correct, tracer dont have much experience in hand-to-hand combat, she has more experience with weapons and aviation
 
Well one, tf2 is getting downgraded to building level+, and two the reasons above are just wrong.

More durable? Scout scales to a 2 ton feat being revised because the calc rounded up, and tracer rounds up to 2.9 tons.

More speed? Speed is equalized, this is just wrong. Also, tracer has blink Lower damage weaponry?

Again, scout is 2 tons at best rn, and tracer is 2.9/

The only thing that is right about herkers reasoning is maybe experience, but it is riddled with bias I am not even sure if that is a distinct advantage.

The above votes should be discounted it is just faulty reasoning

Edit: By the way, not voting, just debunking the reasoning above.
 
KinkiestSins said:
Well one, tf2 is getting downgraded to building level+, and two the reasons above are just wrong.
More durable? Scout scales to a 2 ton feat being revised because the calc rounded up, and tracer rounds up to 2.9 tons.

More speed? Speed is equalized, this is just wrong. Also, tracer has blink Lower damage weaponry?

Again, scout is 2 tons at best rn, and tracer is 2.9/

The only thing that is right about herkers reasoning is maybe experience, but it is riddled with bias I am not even sure if that is a distinct advantage.

The above votes should be discounted it is just faulty reasoning

Edit: By the way, not voting, just debunking the reasoning above.
Tracer speed in-game is 6 m/s , scout speed in-game is 9.5 m/s.

According to the blog post, Scout can reach 139 m/s running speed while tracer have 61 m/s.

A character dont win just because their have best tier.

Durability is how much someone can last within a battlefield, it can also be the amount of damage a character can endure, but that's the least

Yes, Tracer have lower damage weaponry. Her weapons damage:

3 - 12 per shot.

1.5 - 6 per bullet.

Scout give

90 - 105 per shot.

3 - 6 - 10.5 per bullet.

Tracer actually has the speed of a normal human, which is 6 m / s. She is not faster physically and she only teleports.

Scout is 17 mph physically, 9.5 m/s and can reach more than 10 m/s using his weapons.
 
Okay, first off

Speed equalized, means speed is equalized. This is moot

This is literally game mechanics

Plus, the calc you linked was rejected.

TF2 is back to 9-A or 8-C and this is a stomp match.
 
Tracer is massively hypersonic+ scout even in bonk isn't even 1/3 of that (speed stomp if speed isn't equalized) (scout without bonk is supersonic gets blitzed for days)
 
Huesito88 said:
Tracer is massively hypersonic+ scout even in bonk isn't even 1/3 of that (speed stomp if speed isn't equalized) (scout without bonk is supersonic gets blitzed for days)
Tracer and Scout both have Subsonic running Speed

Tracer have Massively Hypersonic+ reactions

Scout have Massively Hypersonic reactions on bonk! effect

Scout have Supersonic reactions

Scout is faster than tracer in running speed, not in reactions
 
TheLegendaryHerker said:
Tf2 is acctually High 8-C, see this blog

http://web.archive.org/web/20160505...utoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/tf2-calcs.35582/

i know speed that is equalized
First off, even in that blog he said he rounded up so it is wrong.

Two, the methodology is wrong, see this thread

Third, even if it was right, you would still have to have a calc group member to approve, which since the thread was made, both Assalt and Darkanine commented and said it was wrong.

And if you know, then why are you arguing for something that is factually wrong?
 
TheLegendaryHerker said:
Tracer and Scout both have Subsonic running Speed

Tracer have Massively Hypersonic+ reactions

Scout have Massively Hypersonic reactions on bonk! effect

Scout is faster than tracer in running speed, not in reactions
You missed the part where tracer has Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed

And with speed equalized, again you are arguing something that is moot.

No matter how you frame this, tracer is either faster or this point is moot.
 
I just think some staffs could come here and remove this topic that will lead to nothing. the calculations coming from naruto forum are totally correct. if you and others think this is a stomp you are deceiving yourselves.

I think they could simply delete all posts from ow vs tf2 ,
cause this mess will not stop.
 
TheLegendaryHerker said:
I just think some staffs could come here and remove this topic that will lead to nothing. the calculations coming from naruto forum are totally correct.
And even if they were, it is 2 tons vs 2.9 tons.

So most your above reasoning would be wrong.

Minus experience, I will concede there
 
comparing tracer with scout is the same as comparing a mouse with a cat, tracer has no chances, just hope someone comes and close these threads soon at once, already confirmed in several blogs and videos around the internet that scout can win, just call a staff to close these threads
 
Hork2 said:
comparing tracer with scout is the same as comparing a mouse with a cat, tracer has no chances, just hope someone comes and close these threads soon at once, already confirmed in several blogs and videos around the internet that scout can win, just call a staff to close these threads
Argument from authority such as 'It was already confirmed in several threads' is not a good debating style.

I like tf2 and overwatch equally and in different respects, but you can't argue with the numbers via calcs.
 
Nice, I found one of those threads. Please link those videos and blogs, especially if they are in response to DB.
 
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