Scarlet Witch (MoM) VS Jean Grey (X-Men films series)

[Iloveyou1]

Speed was equalized and bloodlust
R1 : Scarlet witch (MoM) Vs Jean Grey (X-Men films series Key : Host of the phoenix force)

Scarlet Witch (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Wanda Maximoff is a native of the Eastern European country of Sokovia who grew up with her twin brother, Pietro. In an effort to help purge their country of strife, the twins agreed to undergo experiments with the Scepter under the supervision of HYDRA. They achieved superpowers as a result...

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Jean Grey (X-Men Film Series)

Every few millennia evolution leaps forward.Jean Grey Jean Elaine Grey is a Class Five mutant with immensely powerful telepathic and telekinetic abilities. Tier: Unknown with telekinesis | At least 6-C, likely 6-A | 5-B Name: Jean Elaine Grey, Alias "Phoenix" Origin: X-Men Film Series Gender...

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R2 : Scarlet witch (MoM) Vs Jean Grey (X-Men films series Key : Revise timeline)

Jean Grey (X-Men Film Series)

Every few millennia evolution leaps forward.Jean Grey Jean Elaine Grey is a Class Five mutant with immensely powerful telepathic and telekinetic abilities. Tier: Unknown with telekinesis | At least 6-C, likely 6-A | 5-B Name: Jean Elaine Grey, Alias "Phoenix" Origin: X-Men Film Series Gender...

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Scarlet Witch (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Wanda Maximoff is a native of the Eastern European country of Sokovia who grew up with her twin brother, Pietro. In an effort to help purge their country of strife, the twins agreed to undergo experiments with the Scepter under the supervision of HYDRA. They achieved superpowers as a result...

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[Dalesean027]

Link the profiles please for anyone who wants to participate

 

[Dalesean027]

Anyways Wanda scales insanely far above thanos's 5.8 gigatons

While revise timeline Jean Grey scales to above 7.55 Gigatons

I believe Wanda honestly has the AP advantage here or at the very least in the same ballpark here without a doubt

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Signal boost

 

[Lacku]

This battle would most likely come down to hax. What does Jean start with because I'm far more familiar with Wanda

 

[Dalesean027]

Aye this is finally getting traction and I have no clue

 

[Lacku]

This is unrelated to the match up but all the FOX X-Men profiles seriously need to be re-worked, the timeline doesn't help either lol

 

[Dalesean027]

This is unrelated to the match up but all the FOX X-Men profiles seriously need to be re-worked, the timeline doesn't help either lol

Deadass the timeline is so ****** it's insane and it'll certainly be a task to try and get in order when so many of them contradict other shit that's happened and characters arcs

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

This battle would most likely come down to hax. What does Jean start with because I'm far more familiar with Wanda

In most instances, Jean starts with TK

 

[Dalesean027]

In most instances, Jean starts with TK

Ah then scarlet witch would counter with superior TK and could simply crush her like she does to thanos especially since her MoM self was willing to kill pretty casually

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Ah then scarlet witch would counter with superior TK and could simply crush her like she does to thanos especially since her MoM self was willing to kill pretty casually

That and she's also more likely to resort to her hax pretty quickly

Wanda out-TKs and outhaxes

 

[Dalesean027]

Yep and I'd say this is the case for both rounds of this fight

 

[Coolboy6]

Mommy Wanda too strong

 

[Dalesean027]

Mommy Wanda too strong

This is facts

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

This is probably a stomp. Can Jean even do anything here? Everything she can do Wanda can do but better, alongside a wall of hax

 

[Dalesean027]

I'd say yeah this is probably a stomp since the only feasible advantage hean could have is AP for her Phoenix force key but other than that she's beat in every way

 

[Propellus]

Wouldn't Host of Phoenix Force Jean completely stomp her?

 

[Dalesean027]

Wouldn't Host of Phoenix Force Jean completely stomp her?

Nope her only wincon is via AP in that key and other than that wanda outhaxes and has much higher LS

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Yeah, unlike WandaVision SW who doesn't use any hax in combat aside from mind manip, MoM wanda is faaaaaaar more willing to use her hax.

 

[Coolboy6]

Yeah, even if we assume Wanda doesn’t immediately go for hax, she would eventually realize that it would be hard to overcome Jean’s power through blasts and shit and Wanda would eventually resort to her hax.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

The arguments in this thread confuse me. Jean doesn’t lead with TK in the revised timeline. It’s either mind hax (when she is trying to be stealthy) or mind hax and simultaneously disintegrating her target (when she stops holding back against Apocalypse). She only uses TK when her mind is being ****** after becoming the Phoenix Force host and only against people she knows. When she is actually fighting people she doesn’t have emotional attachments to of some kind, she disintegrates them much like Last Stand Dark Phoenix.

 

[Dalesean027]

The arguments in this thread confuse me. Jean doesn’t lead with TK in the revised timeline. It’s either mind hax (when she is trying to be stealthy) or mind hax and simultaneously disintegrating her target (when she stops holding back against Apocalypse). She only uses TK when her mind is being ****** after becoming the Phoenix Force host and only against people she knows. When she is actually fighting people she doesn’t have emotional attachments to of some kind, she disintegrates them much like Last Stand Dark Phoenix.

Does she have any layers of mental defense because Wanda could just mindhax overcome her mindhax if she has more layers and it'd be no more different than what she did to charles in Multiverse of Madness



and the arguements were made off the assumption and info that Jean starts with TK which Wanda could just counter with stronger TK, and if the disintegration isn't passive while Jean is mindhaxing then doesn’t it just get stopped before since Wanda could outmindhax her if Jean doesn’t have enough layers of defense?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Does she have any layers of mental defense because Wanda could just mindhax overcome her mindhax if she has more layers and it'd be no more different than what she did to charles in Multiverse of Madness

Silverfox < Wolverine and Sabertooth (neither could be mind haxed without even trying to resist) < Future Past Charles (couldn’t even use his TP properly and was just off his X gene drug suppressant but could still bypass Logan’s defenses) < Jean w/mental nerf (could casually do the same to a bloodlusted Logan and took effort from a not super nerfed Charles to suppress) < Apocalypse Charles (had to mind hax Jean to suppress her memories and did so to calm her down) < Apocalypse (mentally beat the shit out of Charles) < Jean not holding back (completely annihilated Apocalypse’s mental form that was stomping Charles).

6 layers of mind hax.

X-Men telepaths praising the Lord that their mind hax and resistance are the same goddamn thing.

and the arguements were made off the assumption and info that Jean starts with TK which Wanda could just counter with stronger TK, and if the disintegration isn't passive while Jean is mindhaxing then doesn’t it just get stopped before since Wanda could outmindhax her if Jean doesn’t have enough layers of defense?

I get the arguments, was just confounded by peeps thinking she led with TK. Disintegration isn’t passive but it’s part of her lead move. She simultaneously mind haxes, destroys barriers/forcefields, any armor and disintegrates them.

 

[RoTt35]

Jean as the host of the Phoenix Force would be another layer of mind hax since it increases her powers and abilities. She was able to destroy the walls that suppressed her memories and Charles was unable to enter or read her mind

 

[Dalesean027]

Damn then it sounds like wanda just gets absolutely ****** here

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Damn then it sounds like wanda just gets absolutely ****** here

Well, no. She still has a wall of hax that she's very willing to use as seen in MoM

Also against base Jean she kinda just instakills because they're a glass cannon that Wanda could easily TK crush

 

[RoTt35]

Also Jean's lifting strength is very sus since Apocalypse stated that Magneto can move the Earth and he was affecting the magnetic field by moving metal around the world

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Either way, this is a mismatch

 

[RoTt35]

Also Jean's lifting strength is very sus since Apocalypse stated that Magneto can move the Earth and he was affecting the magnetic field by moving metal around the world

In fact

 

[Iloveyou1]

So who win this fight ?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Wanda cuz hax and she easily crushes Jean without the Phoenix Force

 

[RoTt35]

Jean stomps since she is in process of being upgraded to "At least 6-A, possibly High 6-A" and "At least Class Z, possibly Class Y" on a CRT, plus she easily resists Wanda's mind hax. This thread should be closed

 

[Coolboy6]

Jean stomps since she is in process of being upgraded to "At least 6-A, possibly High 6-A" and "At least Class Z, possibly Class Y" on a CRT, plus she easily resists Wanda's mind hax. This thread should be closed

Wanda: What 6-A?

and Wanda wins lol

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Mindhax isn't the only thing that Wanda has. She still wins via extreme hax stomp. And its not like she's not gonna start with it given she tends to just hax things she doesn't consider worth sparing (for instance, anyone not Strange, Wong, or America)

Still a stomp, of course

 

[RoTt35]

Wanda: What 6-A?

and Wanda wins lol

Wanda doesn't know that Jean is far more powerful than her or what abilities and powers she has, unlike on the occasion with Black Bolt

Mindhax isn't the only thing that Wanda has. She still wins via extreme hax stomp. And its not like she's not gonna start with it given she tends to just hax things she doesn't consider worth sparing (for instance, anyone not Strange, Wong, or America)

Jean can also use her hax: she can disintegrate her, TK crush or use her mind hax (unless Wanda has layers of mind hax resistance), and she starts with hax in character

 

[Dalesean027]

unless Wanda has layers of mind hax resistance),

She does just not nearly as much as jean

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I think Wanda’s mind hax layers goes something like
Thor’s resist/Mind Stone hax < AoU to EG Wanda mind hax and resist < Agatha’s mind hax < WV to current Wanda.

Dunno if she has anything better since I haven’t seen MoM but I did hear she haxed an alternate version of herself but no clue how that timeline went to scale the resistance for that one.

 

[Dalesean027]

Thor’s resist/Mind Stone hax < AoU to EG Wanda mind hax and resist < Agatha’s mind hax < WV to current Wanda.

Throw on some average sorcerers and Strange's resistance as well

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I have no idea where they would go in the chain or if their hax/resist layers is better than anything up there.

 

[Dalesean027]

I have no idea where they would go in the chain or if their hax/resist layers is better than anything up there.

Considering the average sorcerers did better than thor with only one being faulted against MoM wanda did they'd be above him and AoU to Endgame Wanda