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What evidence is there to scale MFTL+ flight speed to combat speed for marvel characters?
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Scaling flight speed to reaction for Marvel heralds
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All I can tell you is that most of those who scaling Thor more or less manage to dodge Mjolnir, idk why do we scaling others.
I think Thanos once dodged Surfer who was going full speed
I think Thanos once dodged Surfer who was going full speed
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If the point is to make the profiles more clear by adding the abundant evidence of their reactions scaling to their flight speed then this is pretty important.
Each of those profiles could have a sentence saying "Repeatedly shown that his reactions & movements are on par with his/her flight speed." while that links to an imgur album of evidence.
Each of those profiles could have a sentence saying "Repeatedly shown that his reactions & movements are on par with his/her flight speed." while that links to an imgur album of evidence.
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^^^ I agree with that
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For Thor and Silver Surfer scaling in particular there’s lots of instances of characters reacting to Mjolnir or Norrin being able to react and steer while flying at top speed.
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Reacting to Mjolnir shouldn't always be MFTL+ due to acceleration, Thor can throw it at slower speeds
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Are they going at full speed?
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Aye, especially during outer space combat. Especially for peeps like Thor, Surfer, Beta Ray Bill and Carol.
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Can you list scans
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@Confluctor said he had a bunch of scans, and I asked him in advance but not sure if he's still on time-out on the wiki.
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I found more evidence of it not scaling to their full flight speed
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Godhunter #2: Surfer and Bill speed fight MFTL+ while Surrounding Skuttlebutt.
Stormbreaker: The Saga Of Beta Ray Bill #2: Bill while moving at full speed went through half a galaxy in one second and managed to dodge multiple shots from Skuttlebutt.
Stormbreaker: The Saga Of Beta Ray Bill #2: Bill while moving at full speed went through half a galaxy in one second and managed to dodge multiple shots from Skuttlebutt.
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Scans?
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In Infinity Gauntlet (1991)/vol 1 issue 4 Warlock's first plan to steal Thanos the IG was to have him be a bit distracted, have SS fly at him at full speed and pull it off mid-flight, but it failed because Thanos did react to it. It was a close call tho, and a solid feat for SS and Thanos.
How do we organize to list this showings?
How do we organize to list this showings?
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Someone could make a CRT/General Discussion post with a list of them similar to this
Thor couldn't change his direction in time to avoid rocks while flying, I forgot the issue
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Captain America could dodge Thanos' attacks in that same issue so its possible Surfer slowed himself down. Also, where does it say full speed?
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Mephisto tricked Thanos into limiting himself and giving the heroes a "chance", so it's more like Thanos reducing his power/speed
**** even turn off his omniscience
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Yeah and Cap could still dodge his attacks when he reacted to Surfer
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It wasn't, Thanos himself mentions that he got too confident and returned to his real peak.
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Before SS showed up Thanos lowered his power, it was wonky as f*ck even Spider-Man could kick him. Cap only dodged an attack at around his own speed due to Thanos limiting himself. After SS did his thing Cap didn't dodge anything, nor reacted to anything, so no "Cap could still dodge his attacks when he reacted to Surfer" is wrong, the way Cap is shown may have him be frozen as SS came, then Thanos hand-waves him without even looking & while talking to one-shot Cap. Thanos was not putting more effort into that hand-wave than what he did for the attack Cap dodged.
If it is a blog where we do show all the evidence, I have no issue on we also showing anti-feats, as we would be showing the real feats outnumbering them.
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He returned to his peak after Surfer missed him
He was limiting himself but still could react to Surfer
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He was limiting himself so that everybody could match him, from Cap level characters to Thor level characters, you just grabbed in a fraction of the context and quoted it, if things were as you portray them then Thanos would not be able to hand wave Cap to one-shot him before going back to his peak, or he would not get kicked by Spider-Man while also taking hits by Thor level characters, clearly he's going up and down on the stats he shows to others, as much as it should shatter the notion you're portraying.
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It makes sense by the context of what he was trying to do. Tho this already has the premise that his full flight speed scales to his reactions, as otherwise if that wasn't the case he would only be flying as fast as he can react, so more showings need to be found to recontextualize this.
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Surfer was a lightyear away, so it's safe to say he'd still be MFTL+ when make that feat
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I'm lazy to re read the comic again can you send the page which says that
Why?
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Threads like this are the reason I absolutely despise this new rule. It’s the dumbest thing ever created.
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What new rule?
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I think this argument makes sense, for example suppose Thor wants to travel in 5 seconds to a galaxy he sees faintly in the sky that is 3 million light years away, if his reaction is not commensurate with his flight speed Thor would not be able to see how the galaxy "grows" from his vision as he approaches it, because he cannot process all the photons his eye collides with in the course of the flight.
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It depends on the feat, post an example
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Basically all FTL flight feats.
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No, its possible for him to just estimate when he needs to stop
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How can you calculate where to stop if you can't see where you want to stop?
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Wouldn’t this then apply to pretty much any cosmic tier flight speed feat across the board in general then?
It’s one thing if your dealing with speeds like supersonic, hypersonic, etc
But for LS, FTL and up you’d have to be able to see where your going in order to have any opportunity to estimate where and when to stop, and you’d have to do all of this fast enough within the timeframe the feat happens in.
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He could do it before he starts flying. Like if he knows how far away a galaxy is, he could estimate how long it takes to get there and just stop
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